Vietnam's plea puts South Block in a predicament

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    It had requested for military aid from India, particularly in the naval field

    Vietnam's request for military assistance from India, primarily in the naval field, has put South Block in a quandary, said official sources.

    On the one hand, India would like to pay back Vietnam for its assistance in consistently bolstering its case at multilateral fora such as the Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean), and on the other, it would not want to irk China as the plea has come shortly after exchanges between Beijing and New Delhi over Oil & Natural Gas Commission Videsh (ONGC Videsh) prospecting for oil and gas in a portion of South China Sea claimed by both China and Vietnam.

    Vietnam President Troun Tan Sang made the request in four fields — submarine training, conversion training for its pilots to fly Sukhoi-30, modernisation of a strategic port and transfer of medium-sized warships.

    In fact, the sources said, the Vietnam President overlooked protocol to meet senior Indian officials and ensured the timing of their commercial flight was revised to accommodate the unscheduled meeting. Vietnam had asked India to transfer Brahmos cruise missiles and offer its small civil nuclear plants for selection.

    India would be comfortable with providing conversion training for Sukhois as it has completed a similar exercise with Malaysia, another South-East Asian country. Meeting the other three demands needed considerable deliberation, said the sources, as India was not keen to put a spanner in ties with China with which it is shortly slated to sign an agreement to douse tensions by taking care of eye-ball-to-eyeball confrontations between military patrols in certain pockets of the line of actual control (LAC).

    In particular, India will have to think hard about Vietnam's request to transfer 1,000 to 1,500 tonne vessels to sanitise Vietnam's long coast line and upgrade the Nha Trang port, located near the critical Cam Ranh Bay, especially after the alleged warning by the Chinese navy to an Indian warship that had left this port after a visit in July.

    According to the report submitted by the Navy, INS Airavat left the place quickly after a caller, identifying himself as the “Chinese Navy,” warned that “you are entering Chinese waters.” The Navy has claimed that its men on the warship did not spot any aircraft or ship from where the call had come. It also claimed not to have worked out the coordinates from where the call originated. Indian diplomats said the incident was a “non-event.”

    Diplomats here said India would have to factor in two factors — though it had the right to develop ties in its near neighbourhood, it should not be done in a manner that derailed ties with China, especially at a time when the Special Representatives on the border issue were due to meet and Beijing's support wasrequired for entry into the Nuclear Suppliers' Group.

    The Hindu : News / National : Vietnam's plea puts South Block in a predicament
     
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    India has a golden opportunity. I hope amateurs in MEA don't chicken out.
     
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    not sure about the "amateur" bit mate. american diplomats tend to compare PA/ISI with our MEA :lol:
     
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    good time to sell 5-10 Dhanush missile and its ship to Vietnam.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Nice, the stupid article from the Chinese newspaper, fail to talk about how China arms Sri Lanka, Pakistan , Burma etc. So, it is only a problem if we arm Vietnam?

    If China is ready to risk its relationship with India by doing the above, then why shouldnt we?
     
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    The article is coming from hindu, so one is bound to take the tone of the article with a sense of skepticism.

    Yes, when it comes to decision making we can take ages, precisely what our reputation is overseas and when china walks away with what we were targeting we tend to term it a snatch and not our folly. We better be nimble with our decision making but then may be that’s a luxury that we want to afford, though far from it, we can ill afford.

    What is the GoI even thinking about? Does china think about the Indian sensitivities when they arm Pakistan? Name one services which they are not arming to the hilt there, and we are wondering what and how will china perceive it. Here you are dealing with a country which armed Pakistan with nukes for damns sake!
     
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    yes THE HINDU is close to China then any other newspaper in India.
     
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    i would say it is normal commercial decision to sell arms to nation for self defence (same argument is given by China for arms sales to Pakistan).

    I would say if they can buy 100 LCA for price of 75 planes it would be good deal for us.
     
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    I wonder if it would be taken amiss by China if India merely trains a friendly country's armed forces.

    After all, they (China) have so kindly helped Pakistan with her nuclear needs to include the missiles.
     
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    nice,
    slowly and surely , India is gaining foothold. bods well for india's foreign policy. I was expecting this. In think brahmos missile would be very good for vietnam.
     
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    When are we going to start looking for our long term interest? These babu's cant provide our armed forces the weapons in timely manner now they are debating about an opportunity which will raise the profile of India with in South East Asia's neighbourhood. If China is going to be upset so be it.
     
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    The Hindu : News / National : Vietnam's plea puts South Block in a predicament

    Vietnam's request for military assistance from India, primarily in the naval field, has put South Block in a quandary, said official sources.

    On the one hand, India would like to pay back Vietnam for its assistance in consistently bolstering its case at multilateral fora such as the Association of South East Asian Nations (Asean), and on the other, it would not want to irk China as the plea has come shortly after exchanges between Beijing and New Delhi over Oil & Natural Gas Commission Videsh (ONGC Videsh) prospecting for oil and gas in a portion of South China Sea claimed by both China and Vietnam.

    Vietnam President Troun Tan Sang made the request in four fields — submarine training, conversion training for its pilots to fly Sukhoi-30, modernisation of a strategic port and transfer of medium-sized warships.

    In fact, the sources said, the Vietnam President overlooked protocol to meet senior Indian officials and ensured the timing of their commercial flight was revised to accommodate the unscheduled meeting. Vietnam had asked India to transfer Brahmos cruise missiles and offer its small civil nuclear plants for selection.

    India would be comfortable with providing conversion training for Sukhois as it has completed a similar exercise with Malaysia, another South-East Asian country. Meeting the other three demands needed considerable deliberation, said the sources, as India was not keen to put a spanner in ties with China with which it is shortly slated to sign an agreement to douse tensions by taking care of eye-ball-to-eyeball confrontations between military patrols in certain pockets of the line of actual control (LAC).

    In particular, India will have to think hard about Vietnam's request to transfer 1,000 to 1,500 tonne vessels to sanitise Vietnam's long coast line and upgrade the Nha Trang port, located near the critical Cam Ranh Bay, especially after the alleged warning by the Chinese navy to an Indian warship that had left this port after a visit in July.

    According to the report submitted by the Navy, INS Airavat left the place quickly after a caller, identifying himself as the “Chinese Navy,” warned that “you are entering Chinese waters.” The Navy has claimed that its men on the warship did not spot any aircraft or ship from where the call had come. It also claimed not to have worked out the coordinates from where the call originated. Indian diplomats said the incident was a “non-event.”

    Diplomats here said India would have to factor in two factors — though it had the right to develop ties in its near neighbourhood, it should not be done in a manner that derailed ties with China, especially at a time when the Special Representatives on the border issue were due to meet and Beijing's support wasrequired for entry into the Nuclear Suppliers' Group.
     
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    Beijing plays bully

    Beijing plays bully



    But South China Sea belongs to nobody

    It may have been part of India’s long-term strategy to increase its maritime presence in regional waters, including the South China Sea, but the fact is that its decision to speed up its Carrier Battle Group plan comprising aircraft carriers, guided missile destroyers and submarines to be deployed if need be is seen as an attempt to counter China’s increasing aggression. That impression has grown stronger in the light of Beijing’s recent caution to New Delhi to keep away from oil exploration in South China Sea (over which China has no proprietary rights) and a warning to Vietnam — which has entered into an agreement with India for this purpose — not to get involved with “hostile forces.” China has for long laid claim to the islands that dot the South China Sea, most notably Spratly Islands, because the region is immensely rich in natural resource, especially oil. On its part, India has maintained that the South China Sea is nobody’s property and that entering into an oil exploration deal with Vietnam is a sovereign decision. But it is unlikely that Beijing will be mollified by New Delhi’s clarification because it does not want others to share the resources that are waiting to be tapped. According to some estimates, the South China Sea could yeild up to some seven billion barrels of oil. This is estimated to be at least 80 percent the size of Saudi Arabia’s reserves. Hence, it comes as no surprise that China should be desperate to keep others, including India, Vietnam, Taiwan, Philippines, Brunei and Malaysia, from eyeing the South China Sea. But it’s not just oil that is at stake here; the region straddles strategically important international trade routes. Which explains China’s reluctance to allow access to South China Sea to others. For similar reasons of global trade, the US, which otherwise has no direct stake in the South China Sea, is actively engaged in neutralising China’s hold there by extending overt and covert support to countries in the region.

    While all accept that no country’s claim to ownership is recognised by any major international body, China is not particularly bothered about the niceties of law. It has instead chosen to try and bully others into submission. With tensions escalating, China has increased the number of ships in its Navy’s South Sea Fleet and built a new naval base at Sanya on Hainan Island. These developments have directly contributed to Vietnam’s purchase of six Kilo-class Russian conventional submarines to counter China’s growing naval presence. The Philippines has hinted at increasing its naval capability and there are reports that it made its intention known to the China in the hope that Beijing will abandon its belligerent policy. Although the simmering dispute is unlikely to trigger an immediate arms race in the region, it has sparked nationalist outbursts, more so in China. On October 3, the Global Times, a Chinese state-owned newspaper, printed an editorial calling for war with Vietnam and Philippines in order to establish Beijing’s claim on the South China Sea. This may have been no more than sabre-rattling, but the editorial coupled with signals emanating from Beijing is believed to have instigated India and other countries to initiate talks with ASEAN countries from which China was excluded.
     
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    No pussyfooting here please. Go ahead and accept Vietnamese request, or at least parts of it.

    As long as the Chinese are propping up that pest of a nation (and international migraine) called Pakistan, we should be unambiguous about our intentions.
     
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    If the politico's got kickbacks they would definitely do it !

    But I remember a Vietnamese member here saying that though there were problems with PRC, PRC maintains CLOSE RELATION to Vietnam.
     
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    what the fuck is the author talking about???? is he high on Chinese opium? is the author trying to scare India by his pathetic writing? this article is nothing but :bs:
     
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    If this is what India is, who would want to ally with India?
     
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    It's for the domestic audience cannot make it look like the (chinese)government is incompetent.
     
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    I would have already sent them 2 batterries of Bramhos as a freakin gift. No charge - Absolutely free.

    What are we waiting for? What the hell are we waiting for?
     
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    Majority of Indians are pacifists when it comes to outsiders.
     

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