Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' in region

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    MELBOURNE: Concerned over China's assertiveness in the South China sea, Vietnam wants India to "rise quickly" in the region. "We are deeply concerned by Chinese assertiveness in the South China sea. The Chinese navy is acting without provocation. These decisions seem to be taken by the Chinese leadership at the highest level," said ambassador Dang Dinh Quy, president of Diplomatic Academy of Vietnam (DAV). Quy said there was not much clarity in the Obama administration. "That is why we want India should rise quickly. We have great expectations from India," he said. The remarks were made at a round table meeting of DAV held here yesterday. DAV is said to carry out strategic research in international relations and foreign policy, as well as serve as a think-tank for foreign policy for the ministry of foreign affairs, the party and the state. The meeting was held for the delegates to share information with Australian scholars around regional security issues such as US-China relations, maritime issues in the Indo pacific region and discuss more broadly Australia's engagement with Asia. Reacting to DAV president's comment, Australia-India Institute inaugural director Amitabh Mattoo said: "Chinese assertiveness is bordering on aggressiveness and there seems to be a pattern to Chinese Maritime behaviour." Clearly, Beijing believes that its time has come and it wants to exercise hegemony over the whole region. But this behaviour is short sighted and counter productive, he said. Mattoo said China was losing the trust of its neighbours and losing all friends. "Outside North Korea and Pakistan, there is not even one state that is not concerned by Chinese foreign policy behaviour," he added.
    Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' in region - The Times of India
     
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  3. Srinivas_K

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    What is west going to do??

    These guys are busy making India and China anti to each other.

    Australia should cancel all the mining agreements done with China rather than wanting India to up the ante against China.

    BTW Vietnam and India should ban the Chinese products and reduce the trade and tilt towards Japanese.
     
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    That cannot happen with Sonia Gandhi at the head of the Congress party and excessive emphasis on corruption, bribery, bad defence minister and yes man as the army, navy and airforce chiefs.

    If there is money generated by exports or manufacture or agricultural, it cannot be wasted on subsidies in name of helping the poor. It in fact ends up in the pockets of babus and politicians. There is very little left for defence, implement goals of foreign policy etc.

    This government including this party has to go.

    India has over the last seven years imported $40 billion of military hardware but people's confidence in our armed forces is low. It is because that defence procurement order imports only under the guise of global tendering. Then it buys guns but not the ammunition or the spare parts. Hence armed forces are so short of critical items that the main item is rendered useless.

    Can you believe that we had the 155 mm Howitzer but not the capability to make better ammunition or tanks without anti tank ammunition. Or we went ahead and ordered VIP helicopters but cancelled the deal because we smelled a rat in the deal. In the latter case the the defence minister should not have waited for the completion of the CBI report but hanged the culprit from the nearest flagpole.

    The whole system has been corrupted by the presence of whole lot arms merchants in grey pin striped suits but in fact real crooks. They are the first to be ejected from India. They pay the system to foul mouth locally produced military hardware. In the latter case our armed forces with fancy GQSR are to be blamed. They very cleverly set specifications which favor the imports and local production is ignored. They never work with the DRDO or Ordnance factory Board during the development and design process and wait until the final product is out and then find faults. It is very discouraging to the morale of the developer and bad for the army morale because they have been cheated in the modernization process.

    I would assume that with so much military modernization activity, India should be able to exert its presence in Asia but nay, we have the hardware but not the spare parts or ammunition or training or whatever.

    Shame on you the Defence Minister and three services chief that you allowed this to happen.
     
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    Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China

    Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China

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    Vietnam is deeply concerned by Chinese assertiveness in the South China sea. (Reuters)

    Concerned over China's assertiveness in the South China sea, Vietnam wants India to "rise quickly" in the region.

    "We are deeply concerned by Chinese assertiveness in the South China sea. The Chinese navy is acting without provocation. These decisions seem to be taken by the Chinese leadership at the highest level," said Ambassador Dang Dinh Quy, president of Diplomatic Academy of Vietnam (DAV).

    Quy said there was not much clarity in the Obama administration. "That is why we want India should rise quickly. We have great expectations from India," he said.

    The remarks were made at a round table meeting of DAV held here yesterday.

    DAV is said to carry out strategic research in international relations and foreign policy, as well as serve as a think-tank for foreign policy for the ministry of foreign affairs, the party and the state.

    The meeting was held for the delegates to share information with Australian scholars around regional security issues such as US-China relations, maritime issues in the Indo pacific region and discuss more broadly Australia's engagement with Asia.

    Reacting to DAV president's comment, Australia-India Institute inaugural director Amitabh Mattoo said: "Chinese assertiveness is bordering on aggressiveness and there seems to be a pattern to Chinese Maritime behaviour."

    Clearly, Beijing believes that its time has come and it wants to exercise hegemony over the whole region. But this behaviour is short sighted and counter productive, he said.

    Mattoo said China was losing the trust of its neighbours and losing all friends.

    "Outside North Korea and Pakistan, there is not even one state that is not concerned by Chinese foreign policy behaviour," he added.

    Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China - Financial Express
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    This Govt has failed to Look East, even though its own Congress PM Narashimha Rao initiated the policy.

    Hopefully, the next Govt will take heed and look after India's and Vietnam's interest to make the SCS a Zone of Peace and Tranquillity.
     
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    vietnam have to wait till 16 may.:rofl::laugh:
     
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    Re: Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China

    Internet warriors always belive that their country could do anything anywhere without considering material conditions.

    what can your gov do in SCS? Your navy can barely play any role but symbolic gesture. If India wants to earn itself some respects in SCS, at least you need 2 carriers group being permenantly deployed over there. The problem is india doesn't have that spare capacity in near future.

    Yes, vietnam wants you there. But they also want it for free. Do you have that money?
     
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    Re: Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China

    It seems that my post has given you the shivers - what can your gov do in SCS? Your navy can barely play any role but symbolic gesture.

    You must not forget that India indeed will be symbolic in participation - credibly symbolic in the Plan Asia Pivot!

    One is delighted to learn that China is ramming ships wherever it feels it necessary to scrap her own ships. The more you do it, the greater will be the clamour as you will find in the ASEAN meet.

    Internet warrior?

    Not really. Actually a published commentator of strategic issues in professional journals.

    Here I merely throw my bait, to see the reaction and have a whale of a time to ease out from serious things of life.
     
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    Re: Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China


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    what capability china have
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    cheap tanks which are copy of t72, most of tanks are t55
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    most of air force with cheap outdated planes like mig21,f7 etc ,even su27 and j10a are junk right now
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    to be honest you can't even touch philippines now because of america
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    so china have nothing but to jump from here to there
     
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    Re: Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China

    and your ship also have junk submarines and your sam is also outdated
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    su30mkk is way inferior to su30mki which will be further upgraded to super sukhoi
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    and 126 rafael will make china shiver
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    we already have two carrier group which will be later turned into 3.
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    kamorta class , kolkata class, shivalik class are way superior to chinese counterparts
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    china have nothing but numbers and quality always win over quantity
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    even mirage and tejas are better than your cheap j7, jf17,mig21 and j10a
     
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    china and its occasional sniping at India for its dealings with Vietnam as well as with other states in East and Southeast Asia, China has shown it will try to deter strategic competitors from collaborating against it. But if both India and Vietnam stand firm, they could force Beijing to moderate its expansionist claims on the South China Sea and adopt a more conciliatory stance on other regional matters. However in the beginning of 2011 state-controlled Chinese media has been carrying out a virulent campaign against the Indo-Vietnamese partnership. State-owned publications including China National Defense News of the Chinese PLA's General Political Department and the CCP-owned Global Times and China Energy News have launched a vituperative war of words regarding the oil and gas project.

    The question that remains unanswered is Is India prepared to assume the role of regional balancer or prefers to take cover over its strategic Risk Aversion Policy while dealing with China With the support of the US and in response to the high expectations from the rest of Asia minus China, it is desirable India takes up a leadership role in Asian affairs. While it is not suggested that India must lead or join a front against China, as a matured player in Asia, India cannot shirk its responsibility to see that peace and order is maintained in Asia by its proactive policy.
     
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    Re: Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China


    bro war is not about how much you have now.itz about how much you can produce and how long you can sustain the production.
    chines can mass produce every thing.
    also all their numbers are secret.
     
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    Re: Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China

    vietnam is asking us to rise as an economic power not only as military power.
     
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    Re: Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China

    just look back to history , number never wins
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    british defeated most of high numbered militaries with technology and not number
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    let of give you chinese example
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    vietnam gave china a sheer embarrassment even though they were having low number of military
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    number never matters thats why shivaji ,sambhaji maharaj was not defeated by aurangjeb and other muslim powers
     
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    Re: Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China

    Classic example is Hitlers blitzkrieg(make your path through enemy) and stalins mass bombardment(destroy evert thing in the path).

    Numbers have itz own advantage.
     
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    Re: Vietnam wants India to 'rise quickly' to counter China

    hitler and stalin were having number with quality and america was superior to both in ww2
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    india also have quality with quantity
     

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