VHP yatra: Ayodhya turns into fortress, 350 arrested across UP

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  1. A chauhan

    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    VHP yatra: Ayodhya turns into fortress, 350 arrested across Uttar Pradesh

    Reported by Anant Zanane, Edited by Nadim Asrar | Updated: August 25, 2013 07:20 IST

    If the govt let them pass silently the issue wont be politicized.
     
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    they have this type of yatra only at the time of elections.
     
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    Is it illegal to do a yatra even if its political.? What is wrong with the yatra?
     
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    A few thousand dead muslims, and weeks of curfews, and survival from the brink of calamity in 1992 don't matter.
     
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    This will be another flame thread.......................
     
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    How????

    Will the VHP enter muslim localities and kill muslims?? Samajwadi party which is sickular will not allow that. As the yatra passes there should be police all around it. So there is no chance of riots???

    But by arresting Hindu sadhus,mahants,functionaries they give a message that hindus are not allowed to do there work.

    In 1992 only muslims were not killed but numerous sadhus, sants were gunned down by mullah-iam's police
     
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    Just want to add that only common and poor people will die and all the leaders of VHP and RSS will cool off in their AC rooms, just because they want to be in power in next election.

    With all the money they got for building Ram Mandir, they could have made few super speciality hospital in the name of Lord Ram and treat poor people for free, then Load Ram would have been really proud of them.
     
  9. A chauhan

    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    When govt fails to oppose and control the nature of a community they start to curb the religious rights of another community in the name of security, and this ban is an example of it. Hindus are restricted to do religious yatra in their own country.
     
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    A chauhan "अहिंसा परमो धर्मः धर्म हिंसा तथैव च: l" Senior Member

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    Rather than providing police security to the Yatris they have banned the Yatra itself, great !
     
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    come on AC, you know it better, for greater good of public and to maintain law and order, Govt can impose restrictions. No point in people getting killed in the name of politics specially because opinion poll have not suggested clear victory for some party or their PM candidate.
     
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    This is not a Religious Yatra ? This is a Political Yatra !

    PS: Has anyone been to Krishna Janambhoomi Mandir in Mathura ?
     
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    I am all for freedom of movement, however, such types of organized rallies, where religion and politics are intertwined, do not seem like a safe thing to allow. It only takes a spark to ignite trouble, and the size of the influx might be too large for the police to maintain law and order. Under such fears, it should be acceptable to allow the state or district or town administration to declare such persons in a group personae non gratae.
     
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    All Mosques and WAKF Board Properties should be sold in the country and the proceeds be used for the upliftment of Muslims.

    Muslims have lowest living standard in India: Govt survey - Times Of India

    Allah will give Rewards in Jannat to all Indian Muslims for helping fellow Muslims.
     
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    hope AC VHP and RSS will start yatra for Kailash Parbat with the objective to take it from China.

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    I am sure they will do that Wakf Boards have property worth in multi thousand crores.
     
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    If I ever a Hindu Right Wing leader, I would never let a mandir be built (or a solution be reached).
     
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    Or Hingala Mata Mandir from Pakistanis ?
     
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    To keep the trouble simmering? Yes, certainly. Seems like a swell idea to have a bogey to incite passions amongst the electorate.
     
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    Brick by brick, Hindus and Muslims built The temples


    Tehelka reveals hard evidence of how Muslims helped construct Ayodhya's Hindu heritage
    What the rhetoric of realpolitik-from Mandal to Kamandal and from Ram to Babur-has hidden all these years in layers of frenzy, mayhem, blood and gore is now being revealed. The truth about Ayodhya is that the only temple known here as Ram Janmasthan was built on land donated by a Muslim.

    And beyond Ram Janmasthan, there are 28 other big temples, Hindu akharas and other religious places in Ayodhya that were built by Muslims centuries before LK Advani mounted his rath to "reclaim Ayodhya for Hindus" to power in
    New Delhi.

    There is documentary evidence to affirm that Muslim rulers helped build several temples of Ayodhya. Nawabs, their governors and local Muslims generously gifted land and money for constructing and maintaining these temples. The Khakhi Akhara, Bada Bhakt Mal and others received land in the shape of gifts and maafi from Muslims.
    Muslims donated land in the name of temples for thakurji ki bhog aarti, one of the main Hindu rituals of Ayodhya.

    There are documents with the temple pandas, which indicate that Muslim officials in the Nawabi courts encouraged rituals performed by Hindu priests.
    Ayodhya is dotted with evidence of this syncretic tradition. P Carnegie, offi-ciating commissioner and settlement officer of Faizabad district, officially documented some of these in 1865. In his work, A Historical Sketch of Tahsil Fyzabad, Zillah Faizabad, Carnegie recorded donations made by Muslims to Hindu places of worship.
    Carnegie's records from 1867 onwards and the Fyzabad Gazetteer (1905) reveal that besides donating land and building temples, Muslim rulers frequently donated money for the upkeep of these places and helped organise religious festivals.

    According to the Gazetteer, beyond the Maharaja's palace and Rani Bazaar was a peculiar 65-feet mound called Mani Parwat. This mound possibly represented the remains of a Buddhist stupa, signifying that the tradition of sarva dharma sambhava is not new to this ancient town. Locals believe that the Buddha meditated in Ayodhya for many years. Even ancient Jain tirthankars are known to have preached here.

    Documented evidence reveals that Muslims, directly or indirectly, contributed to the construction of the following Hindu temples in and around Ayodhya.


    Ranopali Nanakshahi Mandir
    One of the oldest temples of the Udasin sect in Ayodhya. The Dhanudev inscription in the temple states that Pushyamitra Vansaj performed a yagna here. Apart from Carnegie's detailed account of Muslim grants to this temple, other documents also substantiate this.

    The present mahant, the 97-year-old Damodar Das, says that the Nawab of Awadh,Asaf-ud-Daula (1775-97), donated 1,000 bighas for the temple. Das says he came to know about this in 1950 when the then mahant, Keshav Das, sold this land to Martand Nayyar and Shakuntala Nayyar. (The Nayyars are related to KKK Nayyar, who was the district magistrate of Faizabad when Hindu idols mysteriously appeared inside the Babri mosque in December 1949. Shakuntala Nayyar was the DM's wife).

    The sale of the temple land turned into a controversy because a property that has been donated cannot be sold. During a protracted judicial battle, a certificate of grant from Asaf-ud-Daula was produced before the court. Written in Persian, the certificate stated that Nawab Asaf-ud-Daula donated 1,000 bighas of land for this temple. Nayyar lost the case. The court ruled that donated land could not be sold.

    Mahant Damodar Das still keeps a copy of this precious certificate of donation. But he was reluctant to part with this information; it was only after months of persuasion that this reporter managed to see the document. "This is by far the most indisputable evidence of the nawab's gift to the temple. There is no doubt that Muslim rulers helped in managing the temples and gave generous grants," Das says.

    Janmasthan Mandir
    Mahant Sukhram Das is willing to stand testimony to the fact that Muslim rulers were patrons of this ancient temple. He has been mahant for 14 years. Describing the time when he renounced the world to become a priest, he says: "Ayodhya has seen happier times. It was a peaceful place when I first came here." According to him, when a person is initiated into temple affairs as a mahant, the history and management of the temple is narrated to him. When he took over, he was told that a nawab had donated land to the temple.

    According to Carnegie, this 302-year-old temple (adjacent to the Babri mosque) belonged to the Tergoodarh sect of the Vaishnavs and included about a dozen temples in what is now known as the "acquired land area" of the disputed site. "Nawab Mansoor Ali Khan of Oudh gave the land grant for this temple," writes Carnegie. Das has preserved the grant seal and is ready to vouch for the syncretic past of this temple.

    Dantdhawan Kund Mandir
    This temple is popularly known as Dantdhawan Kund. According to mahant Narayanachari of Dant-dhawan, a Mughal chief gave the land for this temple during Babur's reign. Proof of this donation lies in the fact that Babur (and subsequent Mughal rulers) exempted the temple's 500 bighas from revenue and other taxes. The mahant asserts that this exemption continued during the British period.

    On April 13, 1862, five years after the 1857 war of independence, the chief commissioner of Awadh issued a certificate on the grant of land to the temple by a Mughal ruler. Successive British governments renewed this certificate, which was written in Persian and English. The British continued this tradition of exemption of revenue and other taxes subject to the condition that the temple would not be involved in any movement against the British.

    Dantdhawan has been mentioned in the writings of Chinese travellers Fa Hien (5th century) and Hieun Tsang (7th century). This temple is a branch of the Ahowali Math of Bhootpuri in Kanchipuram, Tamil Nadu. Kshatra Swami, the first mahant of this temple died in 1535. Mahant Narayanachari, the 14th acharya, says that all akharas in Ayodhya were established by an acharya of this sect, who gifted five bighas of land to each akhara. "Ayodhya has always been an example of communal harmony for the entire country," says the mahant. "Despite being a Muslim, Chunne Mian managed the Sunder Bhawan Mandir and was also the lifelong manager of the Ram Janaki temple. I know of a Muslim teacher, Azrul-Haque Siddiqui, who performs Saraswati puja and also teaches our students. How can sectarian organisations like the VHP explain these things in our society?"

    Hanumangarhi

    Mahant Gyan Das of Hanumangarhi says his guru, Swami Shyamdasji Maharaj, had narrated the history of Hanumangarhi during his nagapani sanskar, the initiation ceremony. "I am only following the trend set by my predecessors who told me that Hindus and Muslims lived in harmony in Ayodhya. In fact, Nawab Asaf-ud-Daula and Nawab Mansoor Ali Khan gave several grants to this temple," he asserts.

    Das has documents to prove that grants were given to the temple by prominent Muslims. He has a farman (edict) in Persian that corroborates the account.

    Carnegie mentions the Hanumangarhi temple in his book: "Land grant was also given by Mansoor Ali for Hanumangarhi temple which was constructed by Nawab's wazir Tikait Rai." His account says Nawab Safdarjung's diwan, Nawal Ray, a Kayastha, built and repaired several temples in Ayodhya while Safdarjung himself gave land to Abhay Ram Das for building another temple, then known as Hanuman Hill. Much later, Asaf-ud-Daula contributed to the building of the famous temple-fortress, Hanumangarhi."

    The pandas (priests) of Hanumangarhi have evidence of several gifts given by Muslim officials of the nawabi court for various Hindu rituals.

    Achaari Mandir
    There is a certified donation of 500 bighas by the Mughals to the Achaari temple, adjacent to the Dantdhawan Kund. The Tulsichaura, where Tulsidas is believed to have begun writing the epical Ramcharitmanas, is also linked to this temple. The British allowed the grant to continue on the condition that there should be no anti-British activities in its premises.

    Lakshman Qila
    An influential Muslim, Mubarak Ali Khan, constructed the Lakshman Qila (fort) on the banks of river Saryu. The qila is on the site of an old nawabi fort, Qila Mubarak, chronicled in the Fyzabad Gazetteer. This temple now belongs to the Rasik sect, which believes in the philosophy that 'God is man and disciples are his beloved'.


    Sunder Bhawan temple
    Next to the Kanak Bhawan temple in Ayodhya is the Sunder Bhawan
    temple, with idols of Ram and Janaki. Before the mandir-masjid dispute broke out, a Muslim called Chunnu Mian had been the lifelong manager of the temple since 1945. Locals knew him as the temple's mahant. Neither Muslims nor Hindus found anything odd about this unusual arrangement.


    Tehelka - The People's Paper
     
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    You are accusing the victim.

    I hope you wouldn't make it one off smart personal opinion.
     

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