V 22 Indian Options

[SajeevJino]

ARC seeks to boost its relevance with V-22 acquisition

India's Aviation Research Centre (ARC), responsible for electronic surveillance and signals intelligence along the country's borders with Pakistan and China, wants to acquire Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft to augment its operational capabilities.

Bell-Boeing has recently provided the ARC with price estimates and delivery schedules for four Ospreys acquired via the US Foreign Military Sales (FMS) route, official and industrial sources have told IHS Jane's .

The four aircraft would cost around USD500-600 million, industry sources have said.

The ARC, which operates alongside India's external intelligence-gathering agency, the Research and Analysis Wing (RAW), aims to use the Ospreys to deploy Special Frontier Force (SFF) personnel and provide them logistic support on 'sensitive missions'.

http://www.janes.com/article/51323/arc-seeks-to-boost-its-relevance-with-v-22-acquisition

 

[SajeevJino]

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RAW already had some Good ELINT aircrafts under it's ARC, they were modified in Israel to carry more ELINT pods,

For ELINT V 22 not seems a Good platform, in Janes Rahul Bedi's reports are no so accurate, even the price figure is also doubled..!!

 

[sob]

This is a good craft. I would love the IAF to do trials at Siachen to get a better idea of the capabilities.
If it succeeds then could be a solution for our troops.

 

[Illusive]

@sob isn't Chinooks already selected for that role. And for navy s70b, so where does v22 comes, we don't have that kind of money to splurge on foreign equipments.

 

[brational]

Ospreys can be useful for IN (Carrier Based Operations) for quick deployment of forces to Foreign shores
(Only if IN aspires to acquire such capability). Another possible utility can be Stationing them in A&N for troop deployment across the Islands.

 

[SajeevJino]

Ospreys can be useful for IN (Carrier Based Operations) for quick deployment of forces to Foreign shores
(Only if IN aspires to acquire such capability). Another possible utility can be Stationing them in A&N for troop deployment across the Islands.

I think Osprey's can be used for AEW role and Tanker Role from our STOBAR carrier,

For Shore based operations submerged small platforms and speed boats are good,

Coming with heavy sounded powerful V 22 isn't a good idea

 

[Zebra]

http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/v-22-osprey-options-for-india/

By Air Marshal Raghu Rajan
Issue Vol. 28.3 Jul-Sep 2013 | Date : 04 Feb , 2015

In June 2009, CV-22s of the 8th Special Operations Squadron of the United States Air Force (USAF), delivered 20,000kg of supplies by way of humanitarian assistance to remote villages in the Honduras that were inaccessible by road. In 2010, a US military helicopter was wrecked during a raid in Afghanistan. Dozens of combatants, who were thus stranded, came under enemy mortar fire. When other helicopters were turned back by dust storms and the high peaks of the Hindu Kush, two CV-22 Ospreys flew the rescue mission over 800 miles, climbing to 15,000 feet to clear the mountains. These two aircraft were able to rescue in under four hours the 32 US personnel in the two helicopters that were shot down. A year later, in a combat CASEVAC mission, an F-15 pilot, who had crashed in Libya, was rescued by an MV-22 flying from an amphibious assault ship. The marines could return the pilot to the vessel 150 miles away in just about 30 minutes.

These missions clearly demonstrate the versatility of the Boeing V-22 Osprey, the only operational tilt-rotor aircraft that combines speed, payload capability and reach of a fixed-wing transport aircraft with the hover-landing capability of a helicopter. To examine the relevance of this platform to the Indian armed forces, it would be necessary to study its design features, safety aspects, its performance and the maintenance issues that impact its employment.....

 

[brational]

But does the Price tag justify the capability of Ospreys in Indian context? Agree with @SajeevJino on IN may use it as AEW platform for CBG.

 

[jackprince]

Some people do have hard ons about expensive yankee weapon systems and the inclination is never gonna go away. However what kind of exclusive duty osprey can pull for ARC that no other aircraft can do in half the price? when osprey with its unique system can be useful for our carriers in AEW Role which other niche it can feel in oud armed forces which can justify the huge price and several hindering conditions it will come?

 

[sob]

@sob isn't Chinooks already selected for that role. And for navy s70b, so where does v22 comes, we don't have that kind of money to splurge on foreign equipments.

I dont think that Chinooks have been selected for Siachen ops. i could not find the payload for V 22 at the hts of Siachen. Plus there were reports that V 22 was going in for a more powerful engine. My idea was if it works at height we could use it for supplying our troops.

 

[brational]

Can this machine hover at an altitude 20000 feet? No info is availble on this.

 

[SajeevJino]

Can this machine hover at an altitude 20000 feet? No info is availble on this.

Maximum ceiling reported at 24, 500 feet, but no information about Hover above 13,000 feet.! one report mentions it Hover at the altitude of 13,000 feet

 

[brational]

Then Siachen is out of syllabus. If ARC use them for ELINT op along Baki and Chinese border, Noisy Ospreys with a service ceiling of 24500ft will become easy Preys of SAMs/AAMs. Poor Choice![emoji107]

 

[sob]

Ceiling is okay but at that height what is the load capacity.

 

[brational]

@sob

Source: Wiki

General characteristics

• Crew: Four (pilot, copilot and two flight engineers/crew chiefs)
• Capacity:
  • 24 troops (seated), 32 troops (floor loaded), or
  • 20,000 lb (9,070 kg) of internal cargo, or up to 15,000 lb (6,800 kg) of external cargo (dual hook)
  • 1× Growler light internally transportable ground vehicle[248][249]
• Length: 57 ft 4 in (17.5 m)
• Rotor diameter: 38 ft 0 in (11.6 m)
• Wingspan: 45 ft 10 in (14 m)
• Width with rotors: 84 ft 7 in (25.8 m)
• Height: 22 ft 1 in/6.73 m; overall with nacelles vertical (17 ft 11 in/5.5 m; at top of tailfins)
• Disc area: 2,268 ft² (212 m²)
• Wing area: 301.4 ft² (28 m²)
• Empty weight: 33,140 lb (15,032 kg)
• Loaded weight: 47,500 lb (21,500 kg)
• Max. takeoff weight: 60,500 lb (27,400 kg)
• Powerplant: 2 × Rolls-Royce Allison T406/AE 1107C-Liberty turboshafts, 6,150 hp (4,590 kW) each

Performance

• Maximum speed: 275 knots (509 km/h, 316 mph[250]) at sea level / 305 kn (565 km/h; 351 mph) at 15,000 ft (4,600 m)[251]
• Cruise speed: 241 kn (277 mph, 446 km/h) at sea level
• Stall speed: 110 kn[66] (126 mph, 204 km/h) in airplane mode
• Range: 879 nmi (1,011 mi, 1,627 km)
• Combat radius: 390 nmi (426 mi, 722 km)
• Ferry range: 1,940 nmi (2,230 mi, 3,590 km) with auxiliary internal fuel tanks
• Service ceiling: 25,000 ft (7,620 m)
• Rate of climb: 2,320–4,000[66] ft/min (11.8 m/s)
• Glide ratio: 4.5:1[66]
• Disc loading: 20.9 lb/ft² at 47,500 lb GW (102.23 kg/m²)
• Power/mass: 0.259 hp/lb (427 W/kg)

Armament

• 1× 7.62 mm (0.308 in) M240 machine gun or 0.50 in (12.7 mm) M2 Browning machine gun on ramp, removable
• 1× 7.62 mm (.308 in) GAU-17 minigun, belly-mounted, retractable, video remote control in the Remote Guardian System [optional][113][252]

 

[Illusive]

Can V22 do this

 

[sob]

@sob

Source: Wiki

sorry but sill no mention of weight at 20,000 feet.

 

[brational]

@sob
It's classified [emoji12]
Saar, no info available.

 

[brational]

Double post

 

[Zebra]