USA playing dirty games: Muslims’ survey raises eyebrows

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  1. ajtr

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    Muslims’ survey raises eyebrows

    Thiruvananthapuram, Nov 4, DHNS

    A survey conducted by a US-based agency in certain Muslim-dominated areas of the capital has sent intelligence agencies into a tizzy.

    Home minister Kodiyeri Balakrishnan has said that Central help was being sought to unravel the mystery, if any, behind the exercise.According to residents of the Karimadom colony in the heart of the city, the survey conducted on October 2 had several entries which were directed at Muslims and some even questioned their patriotic spirit.

    “‘Which country will you prefer to go if you want to live outside India?’ ‘Do you like Osama Bin Laden’, and ‘Do you hate Israel’ were some of the questions they asked,’’ said Ayesha Beevi, a housewife of the colony.

    She said the team which comprised mostly women of a local agency spent more than an hour interviewing each family.

    The questionnaire had about 85 questions out of which one-third was meant for Muslim families. These also included entries about their religious practices, whether they wore a burqa and their opinion on the Obama administration among other things.

    Though the police let off the women who conducted the survey, a complaint has been registered against the Kochi-based agency which hired them for Washington-based Princeton Survey.

    “We will seek the help of the Union government and its agencies to find out the motive behind such surveys which are being conducted as marketing exercises,” said Kodiyeri Balakrishnan.
     
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  3. ahmedsid

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    I too felt it really fishy, but then this maybe done by someone in USA wanting to find out how the muslims are
     
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    Selection of questions is something fishy.like as if they were interested in knowing more about the world-view of indian muslims wrt to usa and israel rather than to knowing about the socio-economic conditions of theirs.And questioning them pertaining to their patriotism makes it feel like the said NGO has some hidden agenda.


     
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    There were also questions like, Will you support the Kashmir insurgency and others in NE if the need arises? And How do you see Manmohan SIngh and the govt? etc etc! These are fishy!
     
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    From where you got this info???do you ve the questionnaire????
     
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    This was a hot issue in Malayalam News Channels a few days/weeks back. They showed the controversial part of the Questionaire, Highlighted on TV. I felt this is fishy, but it can also be of academic purpose.

    The agents were paid like 35-50 Rupees for every Filled Questionair. The Fort Police has registered a case in this regard too.
     
  8. anoop_mig25

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    plz publish this poll result . no offence meant.

    even if biased i would like to read it
     
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    Before they could collect much data, they were handed over to the Police by the Respondents hahahah
     
  10. Energon

    Energon DFI stars Stars and Ambassadors

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    And what "agenda" would a survey company have in gauging the patriotism and the general world view of the third largest Muslim group by nationality in the world?

    Besides aren't these the questions tossed around in every Indian living room every day anyways? Heck wouldn't it be good to know the definitive answer to these very questions before the next mob lynching, riot or pogrom conducted by the "nationalists" on account of the Muslim community's perfidy?

    Not everything is a sensational conspiracy theory.
     
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    What right does foreign country have to ask these questions ?

    Throw the scum in jail.
     
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    If any of the surveyed wish to visit US, then that country has all the right in the world to put any type of questions including above to the visa applicants. What's the reasoning here?
     
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    India had already experienced the agenda of the western traders/survey companies etc for 200 yrs.....For info even east india company was innoccent trading company ....right?????Where ever these anglo-saxsons go they destroy the land.remember................................

    "When the Missionaries arrived, the Africans had the Land and the Missionaries had the Bible. They taught how to pray with our eyes closed. When we opened them, they had the land and we had the Bible".
    – Jomo Kenyatta
     
  14. Ray

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    What's up?

    The US Consulate in Mumbai on land belonging to Maharastra in particular and India in general, asks the Maharastrian CM (the 'owner' (so to say) of Mahrashtra and Mumbai) and his Ministers and bureaucrats to prove their ID and citizenship if they the wish to come to Obama's (a foreigner) do-s in Mumbai and now they start carrying out a survey with pointed questions to the Muslims!!


    Is it pure and simple American arrogance at work that the world is their private fishbowl?

    Am to understand that the Indian Govt is blissfully unaware what the US is doing?

    Great!

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    The subtle difference is land where the survey was conducted was not within the US territorial jurisdiction, or is it?

    I understand that in the US, should a person enter another's without permission, the owner has the legal right to shoot such an intruder and even kill!
     
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    http://newfrontworld.com/2010/11/04/kerala-mystery-over-us-survey-in-muslim-area/
     
  17. lurker

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    People please note this is a privately funded survey, not a government ops.
     
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    These kind of 'fairness cream surveys' and their inference are extrapolated to represent a larger audience and become the crux of various arguments and analysis that goes on in the western think tanks regarding various domestics issues in India and forms the basis for an assortment policy adjustments which will be prescribed to us by these 'think tanks',any failure on our part to adhere to these suggestions or question the rationality behind it will result in our west based arm chair experts castigating India for its backward political culture and our inability to learn subtle nuances from advanced forward looking societies........How dare we stopped the survey,i can already see our experts shaking their collective heads in disappointment on our lack of appreciation for accepted democratic processes........When will Indian learn to play the part ?
     
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    Now, if these private funded survey chaps were publicly thrashed by irate Muslims, how long would it then be a private affair?

    It would only fan violence and given a slight twist by vested interests, it would be one flaming riot!!

    We love to open ourselves to communal disharmony and shame!

    If it had official sanction, then the scenario would have been different, though even then, it would not be a correct action unless it had the concurrence of the Muslim society 'elders', who would be then responsible to explain the aim of the survey and its importance (if any!).

    In a nation, where there is distrust, owing to events engineered through history, one cannot play with fire!

    And anyway who cares about what one feels about Osama or some humbug like that?
     
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    I'm amused by all the irrational paranoia. Nobody as yet has put forth even a semi rational theory linking a market survey to a sinister plot by an evil foreign power that poses a threat to national security.

    Millions of socio economic surveys are done on a daily basis all over the world. The intensity is even greater in India given the complex social composition. Pretty much any one designing a market strategy of any sort needs one.

    The US has countless academic institutions carrying out social research all over the world, mostly because institutions in the home countries do not have the resources to do so. I don't think some of you realize that the data is highly sought by Indian companies and the establishment itself. You'll be surprised by how many Indian academics are granted fellowships so that they can come here and crunch these numbers to generate a wide array of analyses. I find it funny that some of you constantly copy/ paste stats and figures acquired from American research organizations (especially when they shed India in a good light and castigate Pakistan, China etc), yet nobody thinks about how all of that data is derived in the first place. Even Indian news papers are littered with articles based on data obtained from US institutions (this includes shameless plagiarism).

    India is one of the most populous and heterogeneous nations in the world with an impressive record of social stability, especially in the state of Kerala. Furthermore, Indian Muslims as opposed to their counterparts around the world seem less inclined to participate in militancy and terrorism. Post colonial India has also undergone an impressive social integration process and is now experiencing a virtually unparalleled economic growth. The world, especially the US is also trying to engage India in economic exchanges projected to go into hundreds of billions. Needless to say India is the subject of much interest in a wide array of topics. There are many, many reasons why someone would and should conduct these surveys.

    This propensity to equate everything to a national/existential conspiracy is ludicrous. It also reeks of a truly puzzling inferiority complex. By merely parroting a long list of "wrongs" committed by superior powers in the past to justify unsubstantiated loony conspiracy theories in the present is asinine. Forget the East India Company and those shifty Christian proselytizers, first we need to address the gross wrongs committed by eukaryotic organisms upon our prokaryotic ancestors. Mind you this abuse was conducted over millions of years and led to outright demographic cleansing.

    Lastly, all this hyper nationalist paranoia in conjunction with an open embrace of modernity, globalism and green cards makes Indian hyperbole look silly.
     
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    I think this assessment is a bit unfair. For one, I can't think of a single think tank/policy group worthy of mention that does not have a strong representation of Indians, or people of Indian origin. Most research on Indian topics is generally reviewed and conducted by Indian faculty.
    Second, reputable think tanks are not manned by 'arm chair generals.' The field research is very intense and in most cases conducted by the primary authors. Actually that is the difference between reputable policy papers and random newspaper op/eds. The former have to be based on extensive field work.

    Also it would be a mistake to dismiss the outcomes of these sort of research projects as some foreign imposed ideals that are either overtly or covertly meant to malign India. Research from US (and other Western) think tank/policy groups has enabled the government of India and many other agencies to effectively address a multitude of social and structural issues borne by hundreds of millions of Indians. Health care, water, security, women and child welfare... the list is endless. Of course all of this is taken for granted, but the truth of the matter is that this research could not have been conducted if it weren't for resources provided by American organizations.

    In regards to the backward social practices and political culture... compared to the developed world many aspects of India are in fact backward/underdeveloped. It is no secret that many of India's social ills are still very much prevalent and do exact an effect upon many Indians. Stability, HR violations etc. are based on established metrics and are rather unmistakable. However, detailed studies also show positive trends that have infused confidence and provided assistance toward development goals.

    For some reason there's this propensity in India to reject all of this work by deeming it as foreign fabricated perfidy on account of some of negative findings which affect the national sentiment. This is tantamount to throwing the baby out with the bath water.
     

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