US Tells India Arms Sales to Pakistan Will Continue

[LETHALFORCE]

Obama administration has lost all the global influence & political gain it had after the soviet fall. I doubt if it has any leverage left with its allies anymore. How this administration is thinking of coming back to power after 2 years?

with the disaster Obama created in the domestic economy ,Obama is going to be a one term president.

 

[hit&run]

Let not forget and be clear to adversary (Pakistan) who will think that we are cry baby. We have been deterring over hyped American weapons for last 50 years.

India is just using nuclear deal to score geopolitical points, otherwise we were capable enough to fix our energy problems indigenously.

I don't know why Americans are so assure about India that they can tell Pakistan that there is no danger from India (and we are THE victim of Pakistan sponsor terrorism). They can dictate idiotic FM not to disclose anything about Hedley for sake WOT which is none of our business. We are free to do so for our own national interest, specially when dealing diplomatically with Pakistan on our terms and when they (USA) are bound to apprehend criminals to India per extradition treaty.

USA needs India more than India needs USA. Apprehensive Indian should erect their spine and start talking tough. We are not American pets or a medium to be used as projection of American policies in sub continent. Also they are not doing any thing generous for us by dealing with Pakistani fanatics in AF-PAK. We have means to dig graves for those fanatics in mountains and we are best in this job.

If they want to deliver weapons to Pakistan they can do it but they should stop pretending to be Indian well wisher.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

Let not forget and be clear to adversary (Pakistan) who will think that we are cry baby. We have been deterring over hyped American weapons for last 50 years.

India is just using nuclear deal to score geopolitical points, otherwise we were capable enough to fix our energy problems indigenously.

I don't know why Americans are so assure about India that they can tell Pakistan that there is no danger from India (and we are THE victim of Pakistan sponsor terrorism). They can dictate idiotic FM not to disclose anything about Hedley for sake WOT which is none of our business. We are free to do so for our own national interest, specially when dealing diplomatically with Pakistan on our terms and when they (USA) are bound to apprehend criminals to India per extradition treaty.

USA needs India more than India needs USA. Apprehensive Indian should erect their spine and start talking tough. We are not American pets or a medium to be used as projection of American policies in sub continent. Also they are not doing any thing generous for us by dealing with Pakistani fanatics in AF-PAK. We have means to dig graves for those fanatics in mountains and we are best in this job.

If they want to deliver weapons to Pakistan they can do it but they should stop pretending to be Indian well wisher.

HR much of this has to do with MMS attitude towards USA,look at what happened after 26/11 with Indian Govt running to USA with all kinds of evidence,only to be ignored it made no difference to USA they still gave plenty of weapons and aid to Pak, and MMS made a nation of 1 billion look incapable of their own security. Why do we have to make USA a middleman in everything????

 

[thakur_ritesh]

I think India needs to stay with it's traditional allies in Asia, Russia,Iran, and Central Asian states etc... When India officially joins SCO all the love story between USA and India will be over. The strategic partnership was over when Obama came to power.

we have a habit of putting up a reaction and that too when a huge amount of water has flown down the river, we never were pro-active. india and SCO, i doubt it, and certainly not with this government which has by far been the most pro-US government ever.

take other fine examples, china swept across the african continent, we kept sleeping most of the time and only now have we woken upto that challenge when its become a story of too late too little, the story repeats it self in GCC, ASIAN, we never really ventured into taiwan and kept waiting for a signal fro the prc to even do a fta with them, our economic policies in south america have been no different and if past and this government are any indicators to go by, till the time russia seriously slaps us hard and pakistan joins SCO as a member nation, we will not even think of SCO but do a dilly dally that we are so famous for!

 

[nrj]

I agree LF.
Has the Indo–Soviet Treaty of Peace, Friendship and Cooperation expired?. If so, India should renew it. This would be a tight slap in the face of hypocrisy and double standards.

Lets not forget that we are still under-developed country. We need West to achieve our goals. We need FTAs with EU & others. We need global ties where US calls the shots. We can not even trust Russians completely. Russia is much busy with its re-structuring & will be busy for another decade.

Globe does not recognize India as exactly a harmless country yet. Our any wrong move will result in US lining up India into queue of harmful countries like Iran, NK, etc. We need to use US at least for our short term goals.

 

[Neil]

The nuclear deals are 10 times bigger than the MRCA. USA wants 100% loyalty from India and they are giving 50% loyalty to India.

they dont need to be loyal...its because of them that we can do nuclear commerce with other countries.....and if they can give India a nuclear deal they can even take it back[seems unlikely - but its in the 123 agreement]

 

[hit&run]

Lets not forget that we are still under-developed country. We need West to achieve our goals. We need FTAs with EU & others. We need global ties where US calls the shots. We can not even trust Russians completely. Russia is much busy with its re-structuring & will be busy for another decade.

Globe does not recognize India as exactly a harmless country yet. Our any wrong move will result in US lining up India into queue of harmful countries like Iran, NK, etc. We need to use US at least for our short term goals.

Fear mongering.
What we have done so far internationally to project our harmless Image outwards, proactively?......nothing.

We are harmless because our way of living, which is reflecting outwards passively. As far as developing India militarily is concerned we have all the reasons to explain and our targets do not include any of your mentioned nations. Why wouldn't you trust other nation's wisdom to see if India is harmless when you are trusting the same that they will declare India harmful. By not siding with USA wont change our International credibility as i said before USA needs India more than India needs USA. There no doomsday next day for us to rush towards USA for help.

 

[thakur_ritesh]

Lets not forget that we are still under-developed country. We need West to achieve our goals. We need FTAs with EU & others. We need global ties where US calls the shots. We can not even trust Russians completely. Russia is much busy with its re-structuring & will be busy for another decade.

Globe does not recognize India as exactly a harmless country yet. Our any wrong move will result in US lining up India into queue of harmful countries like Iran, NK, etc. We need to use US at least for our short term goals.

i concur with that view completely and have endorsed the same point past so many times on this very forum, but this in no ways means that americans can do what ever they want to with the pakistanis but when it comes to our needs they take their hands back, they need to start accepting us as equals in certain ways than may be on most something bush's america had started doing which today seems like a distant dream now. even he used to look other way when we used to raise our concerns about pakistan but still we were getting our work done on other aspects, nuke deal being one, which is how the whole thing needs to work, but today that is not happening.

we certainly should not be seen as looking to buy american influence at any cost, it is seen as a sign of weakness and if that is the way we are going to deal with them, rest assured, in another decade's time our foreign much like the way pakistan's foreign policy gets framed, will be framed in washington, as such even today it is greatly influenced from them and seriously if we had not got a wake up call on the afghan issue we would have been toeing their line more and more.

let us maintain the "independence" that we so cherish, something we have built after great pains.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

they dont need to be loyal...its because of them that we can do nuclear commerce with other countries.....and if they can give India a nuclear deal they can even take it back[seems unlikely - but its in the 123 agreement]

The can take back the US deal they cannot take back the deals with 9 other nations or the NSG waiver.

 

[ajtr]

The best way to bite back would be to kick out American companies out from MRCA deal. They are out anyway I guess :happy_2:

most important is to get cosy up with coutries who oppose USA hegemony like Iran, Venezuela,cuba etc.secondly,Hit them where it hurts and at present Afghanistan is that area.Throw spanners into American Af-Pak plans.Amass troops at border threaten pak;let it withdraw its forces from Af-PAk and move it to eastern border.Let american fight its own war alone in afghanistan.

 

[nrj]

Fear mongering.
What we have done so far internationally to project our harmless Image outwards, proactively?......nothing.

We are harmless because our way of living, which is reflecting outwards passively. As far as developing India militarily is concerned we have all the reasons to explain and our targets do not include any of your mentioned nations. Why wouldn't you trust other nation's wisdom to see if India is harmless when you are trusting the same that they will declare India harmful. By not siding with USA wont change our International credibility as i said before USA needs India more than India needs USA. There no doomsday next day for us to rush towards USA for help.

All of the above view is true. But this is what an ordinary Indian or more precisely what GOI thinks. However, our efforts or this harmless attitude has not been recognized by the west. US can not decide India's future but in the times like this sidelining US or isolating from US can turn into 'anti-US' policy. We can not just stop dealing with US. We need US; be it economy, military tech or political gains.

GOI's US policy need to be smart. We are not worshiping US in doing so.

 

[Neil]

They can take back the US deal they cannot take back the deals with 9 other nations or the NSG waiver.

but if they take back nuclear deal dont u think there will be other countries to follow it...??because mostly all the countries we have sign deals with are American allies....NSG is mini NATO.....

 

[nrj]

but if they take back nuclear deal dont u think there will be other countries to follow it...??because mostly all the countries we have sign deals with are American allies....NSG is mini NATO.....

Might happen for 1-2 countries as exception but most of the countries we have signed the deals need business available in India. They are already snubbed by Obama Administration. Canceling the deals to make the Unkil happy will be their loss in the times of heightened recession. Indian Nuke deals are not at risk at all.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

but if they take back nuclear deal dont u think there will be other countries to follow it...??because mostly all the countries we have sign deals with are American allies....NSG is mini NATO.....

we have deals with non NSG members like Namibia and Kazakastan for uranium; if they cancel the deal after the reactors are built and our fast breeder thorium cycle is up and running it may be a positive for us;at that our program will be more or less independent.

Kazakstan joined NPT after the India uranium deal.
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/India-Kazakhstan-sign-nuclear-pact/414849/