US Set to Suspend Military Aid to Pakistan

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Their foolish move was enforcing Democracy on Middle-East countries.

Those countries are best ruled by their own Autocratic leaders.
There is not one democratic country in the Middle East. Arab spring was just US policy of keeping the Middle East destabilized for the gain of western nations (free/cheap. Oil)
 
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1.5 billion is not a lot of what USA expects from Pakistan. I have said this many time USA had bought Pakistan cheap. Be careful USA can be very vindictive .
If Chinese relations get to the point USA feels threatened that can be a bad spot
For Pakistan to be in.
Do you realise that once the CPEC is relised that will be the final nail in Pak-US coffin? China is already strong enough to challenge USA anywhere and with CPEC they have more startegic assets in Pakistan to defend than ever before.
 

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There is not one democratic country in the Middle East. Arab spring was just US policy of keeping the Middle East destabilized for the gain of western nations (free/cheap. Oil)
It's ironic that everyone knows the truth and still arabs are blaimed for almost everything.
 

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Do you realise that once the CPEC is relised that will be the final nail in Pak-US coffin? China is already strong enough to challenge USA anywhere and with CPEC they have more startegic assets in Pakistan to defend than ever before.
Sir, you are making quite a lot of the CPEC and China's "other strategic assests" in packland. .... and you could well be right
just consier the cpec alone ; it runs right though the ENTIRE length of your nation and it is equally their strategic resource ....it belongs equally to them .

So, ....... in the future, when ccphina wants something from pakistan, something of pakistan , can you say No ?

if in the future pakistan wants to restrict chinese population placed along the corridor routes, in the future if china wants to place more and then more of their people ( gradually, of course ) in pakistan, can pakistan say NO ?

if you cant say no , would you be an independent country ?

if you are not to be an independent country , then what are you ? ..... south xinjiang autonomous region ?

india is an ally of usa, israel, russia etc , but india can say no to them on any matter, if necessary .
in contrast, Pakistan can not ! , not to ccpchina.
packland has been sold !

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Pakistan is already a colony of China.

Pakistan has a habit of being a lackey and lapdog of big powers.

New Master is China and the relations are R.A.N.D.I. and G.A.N.D.U.

In short Pakis are yelling "Hey guys... I have a new illegal Daddy". :rofl:

 
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'Saas-Bahu' Drama.....................
 

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Sir, you are making quite a lot of the CPEC and China's "other strategic assests" in packland. .... and you could well be right
just consier the cpec alone ; it runs right though the ENTIRE length of your nation and it is equally their strategic resource ....it belongs equally to them .

So, ....... in the future, when ccphina wants something from pakistan, something of pakistan , can you say No ?

if in the future pakistan wants to restrict chinese population placed along the corridor routes, in the future if china wants to place more and then more of their people ( gradually, of course ) in pakistan, can pakistan say NO ?

if you cant say no , would you be an independent country ?

if you are not to be an independent country , then what are you ? ..... south xinjiang autonomous region ?

india is an ally of usa, israel, russia etc , but india can say no to them on any matter, if necessary .
in contrast, Pakistan can not ! , not to ccpchina.
packland has been sold !

ref
@angeldude13 @bose @brational @blueblood @anupamsurey @ersakthivel @Blackwater @bengalraider @cobra commando @DingDong @Hari Sud @Kunal Biswas @LETHALFORCE @mhk99 @Neil @OneGrimPilgrim @pmaitra @Rowdy @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @Srinivas_K @sorcerer @TejasMK3 @Yusuf @jackprince @Bangalorean @indiandefencefan @aliyah @hit&run @VIP @Razor @Blood+ @Screambowl @Sylex21 @tsunami @Zebra @sgarg @Rashna @laughingbuddha
this is how chinese projects turn out
 

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Do you realise that once the CPEC is relised that will be the final nail in Pak-US coffin? China is already strong enough to challenge USA anywhere and with CPEC they have more startegic assets in Pakistan to defend than ever before.
Sir, you are making quite a lot of the CPEC and China's "other strategic assests" in packland. .... and you could well be right
just consier the cpec alone ; it runs right though the ENTIRE length of your nation and it is equally their strategic resource ....it belongs equally to them .

So, ....... in the future, when ccphina wants something from pakistan, something of pakistan , can you say No ?
if in the future pakistan wants to restrict chinese population placed along the corridor routes, in the future if china wants to place more and then more of their people ( gradually, of course ) in pakistan, can pakistan say NO ?
if you cant say no , would you be an independent country ?
if you are not to be an independent country , then what are you ? ..... south xinjiang autonomous region ?
india is an ally of usa, israel, russia etc , but india can say no to them on any matter, if necessary .
in contrast, Pakistan can not ! , not to ccpchina.
packland has been sold !
ref
@angeldude13 @bose @brational @blueblood @anupamsurey @ersakthivel @Blackwater @bengalraider @cobra commando @DingDong @Hari Sud @Kunal Biswas @LETHALFORCE @mhk99 @Neil @OneGrimPilgrim @pmaitra @Rowdy @Sakal Gharelu Ustad @Srinivas_K @sorcerer @TejasMK3 @Yusuf @jackprince @Bangalorean @indiandefencefan @aliyah @hit&run @VIP @Razor @Blood+ @Screambowl @Sylex21 @tsunami @Zebra @sgarg @Rashna @laughingbuddha
Then who will be the Chairman of the Communist Party of Pakistan ....! :devil:

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There's a pattern to these aid-suspensions in the past. US and its allies have done this to make Pakis cough up key intel or make security breakthroughs.
 

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The CPEC is dependent on two things in order to become successful
1) Investment from China, this is highly unlikely now given the economic implosion China is going through. There is bound to be a massive upheaval in the Chinese political structure and larger macro economic policy because of this. I expect the Chinese to curb outside investment and focus at home to shore up failing businesses and backs and try to arrest the Shanghai index from going into freefall.
The Chinese economy was largely built on the central govt funds spent in buying massive quantities of cement, steel and other products to invest into equally massive infrastructural projects, many of these projects have now become abject failures and "ghost cities" can be seen dotting the Chinese countryside. Also the inflow of funds was mostly due to cheap manufacturing built on the back of dirt cheap labor and massive land banks. As China has grown it's per capita GDP has increased along with that salaries have also increased and now stand at a point where many southeast Asian and south Asian nations can offer cheaper labor. Manufacturing has already started to move out and the speed will only increase a competitors shore up their infrastructural challenges.
Trust me no one in the world wants China to implode, but if it does happen it's gonna be crazy massive.

2) Investment from other third party nations- highly unlikely given the security risks inherent in the location as well as global financial volatility.People want profits not risk, and as of now Pakistan offers far more risk than any promise of financial gain.
The CPEC is going to be a stillborn baby for the next two decades at least , mark my words!
 

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With dwindling down of US troops in Afghanistan and the recent Iran deal, Pakistan's days of blackmailing US are numbered or did they conveniently forget how US discarded them like a used condom after Operation Cyclone?

Friends not masters.:bounce:

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In the time honoured traditions of circle jerking between Pakistan's politicians, army and populace another chapter is added called CPEC.

ISLAMABAD -- Abu Dhabi Group of UAE and Pakistani real estate tycoon Malik Riaz on Friday signed a deal to invest $45 billion (Dh165.15 billion) in Pakistan including construction of the world's tallest building in Karachi. :pound:


http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Malik+Riaz,+UAE+group+to+invest+$45b+in+Pakistan.-a0319313994

http://tribune.com.pk/story/508144/real-estate-abu-dhabi-group-to-invest-45-billion-in-pakistan/

http://www.cpp-luxury.com/malik-riaz-and-uae-group-to-invest-45-billion-in-pakistan/

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well pakis again delliver some terrorists to us and get aid they did it many times.
 

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Pakistan cannot say no to anyone.. Pak is always sold to the highest bidder :D
I did mention couple of years ago that Pakistan's map looks like an animal but you found the correct image as dog and it is true. It applies to all those analysts who show up on various talk shows upon receiving payment and bark at each other which also ends up in physical fight between guests. They are known for making up the stories to fool their own citizens.
 

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well pakis again delliver some terrorists to us and get aid they did it many times.
That is why I request openly here (and I did it many times now) that govt of India should join US side and openly announce it ASAP.

And sign those three agreements too.

But corrupt and pro anti-India lobby of GOI don't want it to happen.

Instead they prefer as you just said. On top of it they love kick backs from Russians.
 
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...invite-to-Washington/articleshow/48590667.cms

Amid calls to declare Pakistan a ‘hostile state’, US curtails aid, withholds Sharif invite to Washington

WASHINGTON: Pakistan's bottomfeeding on American aid is about to end unless it terminates its policy of covertly using terrorism to further its frontiers, the Obama administration has conveyed to Islamabad, amid indications that the US is also making Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's proposed visit to Washington conditional to meeting this objective.

A key administration official on Thursday said there has been no announcement about a Sharif visit to Washington in October although the trip had been widely reported in the Pakistani media based on briefings from diplomats in Islamabad. "This is news to me. We have not made any statements about that (Sharif's visit to Washington)," Peter Lavoy, special assistant to the US president and senior director for south asian affairs at the national security council of the White House, told PTI. "If it is pakka (final) you would be the first to hear."

The rethink — or at least holding back the announcement — of the visit comes after the administration conveyed to Islamabad that it will not certify the effectiveness of Pakistan counterterrorism operation to Congress to enable passage of the Coalition Support Fund (CSF), the military reimbursement aid that goes towards keeping Pakistan solvent.

READ ALSO: US report again highlights Pak's two-timing on terror

As part of its rentier-state ethos, Pakistan provides logistical support to US and coalition forces in Afghanistan and in turn bills Washington for reimbursement. Pakistan has extracted more than $13 billion from the US since the coalition forces swooped into Afghanistan.

The CSF was scheduled to end following the US drawdown from Afghanistan in December 2014, but the Obama government extended the program for another year through a legislation containing additional conditions, including a requirement for certification by the defence secretary that Pakistani military operations are rolling up terrorist networks, including the Haqqani group in North Waziristan.

But true to form, Pakistan's military-intelligence establishment has again suckered Washington fooling the US by keeping the death from illnesses of Taliban supremo Mullah Omar and Jalalludin Haqqani while trying to manage their succession.

READ ALSO: Pakistan hasn't shared proof of Indian terror, US says

The manipulation, coming after Osama bin Laden being sheltered in Abbottabad, has further eroded trust in a country with a long history of lying and dissembling. Although US policy of forbearance is centered around its fear of Pakistan's collapse, that tolerance is being tested in the face of the Pakistani military-intelligence's serial malfeasance, including its continued patronage of terrorists associated with the 26/11 Mumbai attacks in which six Americans died.

"The US move is politically more damaging for Islamabad than its financial impact, which is significant nevertheless for being an important source for narrowing the current account deficit. More importantly, it coincided with the deterioration in ties with Afghanistan because of Kabul's allegations that Islamabad continued to harbor Taliban bases from where attacks were being launched," Karachi's Dawn newspaper, which first reported the rupture, said on Thursday.

"The US decision is also likely to sour ties in the run-up to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's scheduled visit to White House in October," it added.

READ ALSO: Pakistan must take 'forceful actions' against LeT, US says

Pakistan's economy is both parlous and perilously-poised, despite frequent juggling of numbers in a country that does not even conduct a regular census. With economic growth barely matching projected population growth, it is reduced to living on aid and remittances. Even aid is starting to dwindle after its familiar patrons in the Gulf have pulled the plug and its sugar daddy China has not come through with the expected bail-outs.

Desperate to keep the US pipeline open, the Pakistani military, which runs the country's foreign policy on behalf of the nominal civilian government, has been decimating its civilian population with every-day air-strikes this week in North Waziristan, announcing dozens of dead "militants" which no one is able to authenticate due to lack of access.

However, the country's continued patronage of terrorists on its eastern flank with India, including its protection of UN designated terrorists such as Hafiz Saeed and Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, indicates there has been no fundamental change in its policy.

READ ALSO: Terror havens in Pakistan not acceptable, Obama says

With Pakistan's salience to American objectives declining in the context of US outreach to Iran and the drawdown in Afghanistan, some scholars are now pressing for a review of Washington's ties with Islamabad. In a Foreign Affairs magazine piece headlined "An Unworthy Ally," C Christine Fair and Sumit Ganguly have argued that the time has come for Washington to "cut Pakistan loose," going as far as to suggest punitive sanctions against Pakistani elite, including visa denials to its top generals and officials who support terrorism.

Extracts from Foreign Affairs article by C Christine Fair and Sumit Ganguly:

* "Since the current approach has little chance of aligning Pakistan's interests with those of the United States, the time has come for Washington to change course. If Washington cannot end Pakistan's noxious behaviors, it should at least stop sponsoring them."

* "Despite Barack Obama's understanding of Pakistan's misdeeds ... his administration, like his predecessor's, has failed to develop policies that limit American complicity in them. As a result, Washington has continued to pay Pakistan to do what any sovereign state should do: eliminate terrorists exploiting its territory."

* "All the while, the United States has not required Pakistan to stop backing militant groups, such as the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba, even as Islamabad battles those militants who have turned against the state. Indeed, Islamabad has created a permanent revenue stream by arguing that so long as it is fighting militants, it should be entitled to US aid. The United States has been willing to comply because it considers the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons a core national interest."

READ ALSO: For Pakistan, defeat is that moment when it can no longer resist India, Christine Fair says

* "The strategic demands of today's South Asia are distinct from those of the Cold War era, but the central dynamic of US-Pakistani relations remains constant. The United States turns a blind eye to Pakistan's misdeeds because it depends on the country's leaders to counter US enemies in the region-first the Soviets, now the melange of militant groups active in Afghanistan and Pakistan. As a result, the United States has subsidized both the expansion of Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and its stable of Islamist terrorists through programs ostensibly created to manage those same concerns."

* "Past attempts to induce Pakistan to change its behavior have largely failed, and there is little reason to believe that a change in course is imminent. Indeed, what little convergence of interests existed between Washington and Islamabad during the Cold War has long since disappeared. After six decades of policy predicated on Pakistani blackmail, it should be possible to achieve US interests with a different approach."

* "A strategy of containment is the United States' best option. Above all, US relations with Pakistan should be premised on the understanding that Pakistan is a hostile state, rather than an ally or a partner."
 

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The CPEC is dependent on two things in order to become successful
1) Investment from China, this is highly unlikely now given the economic implosion China is going through. There is bound to be a massive upheaval in the Chinese political structure and larger macro economic policy because of this.


2) Investment from other third party nations- highly unlikely given the security risks inherent in the location as well as global financial volatility.
I would like to add that
USA has got its deep roots well established in Pakistan and there is a real risk for Chinese energy corridor project in Pakistan. No matter how confident Pakistan is about supporting China, threat to China's pipeline project will be decided by USA.

China with its no so PEACEFUL rise has managed to put out threat to US interests in the region and has successfully placed itself as an adversary to US.

If Pakistan is not tied down completely, stripped of the nukes and cleared of its terror factories....China has her energy interests in boom bada boom at the mercy of USA.
 

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Loose the Paki Market , and find India as a Good Customer
it does not work like that. when pakistan wanted the t129 chopper from turkey the us refused to export it's engines there. so pakistan turned towards russia and china. now the us is left out and came in hard with a irresistible offer of 15 viper choppers with missile and night vision equipment and just recently they threw in an extra sweetener of more kit to be installed on the choppers. they are primary used for high altitude night attacks. and this is not of aid but of a 900+ million dollar agreement and the extra was worth 85 million. the us is not going to go out of pakistan because if it does someone else will fill the gap. common sense. besides the us sells weapons to both india and Pakistan
 

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