US Republicans bash Pakistan in debate

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    U.S. Republicans bash Pakistan in debate | Reuters
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    US Republicans bash Pakistan in debate
    By Reuters
    Published: November 23, 2011
    WASHINGTON: The Republican presidential hopefuls criticised US policy towards Pakistan and called for placing sanctions on Iran’s central bank in a lively and substantive foreign policy debate on Tuesday.
    Newt Gingrich, a former House of Representatives speaker, gave a composed performance in the first debate since he surged to the top of polls. He backed an overhaul in immigration policy that would include a guest-worker program similar to plans condemned by conservatives in the past.
    The debate, the second on foreign policy in the last 10 days, featured sharp exchanges on a broad range of issues, including anti-terrorism laws, Pakistan and Afghanistan.
    The Republicans ganged up on Pakistan and questioned whether the United States could trust it. Texas Governor Rick Perry called Pakistan unworthy of US aid because it had not done enough to help fight al Qaeda.
    “To write a check to countries that are clearly not representing American interests is nonsensical,” said Perry, who has faded in polls after recent debate stumbles but had a stronger performance on Tuesday.
    Representative Michele Bachmann, a member of the House Intelligence Committee, called Perry “highly naive” and said the United States should demand more from a “violent and unstable” Pakistan with nuclear weapons.
    She called it “a nation that lies, that does everything possible that you could imagine wrong. At the same time they do share intelligence data with us regarding al Qaeda.”
    Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney said US aid to Islamabad could help “bring Pakistan into the 21st century, or the 20th century for that matter.”
    The extensive criticism of Pakistan featured “nasty and provocative language,” said Teresita Schaffer, a non-resident fellow at the Brookings Institution, but she said a Republican president probably would not change Pakistan policy much.
    ‘Complicated reality’
    “I suspect that any plausible Republican would have to deal with the complicated reality in about the way the current administration is doing,” Schaffer said.
    Democrats have criticized the Republican field for a lack of foreign policy knowledge, but the wide-ranging debate was substantive and devoid of major missteps. Jon Huntsman, a former US ambassador to China, is the only candidate with deep foreign policy experience.
    In a discussion of ways to halt Iran’s nuclear weapons program, Perry and Gingrich backed sanctions on the Iranian central bank. Gingrich called it “a good idea.”
    “I think replacing the regime before they get a nuclear weapon without a war beats replacing the regime with war, which beats allowing them to have a nuclear weapon,” Gingrich said of Iran.
    Eight Republicans participated in the debate at Washington’s DAR Constitution Hall, which aired live on CNN and was the 11th for Republicans seeking the right to challenge President Barack Obama in 2012.
    Gingrich, as the latest in a series of conservatives to challenge the more moderate Romney for the top spot in the Republican race, had the most to lose in the showdown.
    A series of recent polls gave Gingrich an edge over Romney, who has hovered near the top of polls all year but failed to win over many conservatives. Gingrich’s campaign has soared as rivals like businessman Herman Cain and Perry faltered in the spotlight.
    But Gingrich could draw new criticism from conservatives with his support for an immigration overhaul with a guest worker program. If you are an immigrant with children who works, pays taxes and attends church, he said, “I don’t think we’re going to separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out.”
    The candidates largely agreed on the need to strengthen domestic surveillance and anti-terrorism laws but several warned of the potential threat to civil liberties.
    Gingrich said authorities should use “every tool that you can possibly use” to fight terrorism and endorsed strengthening the Patriot Act, the law passed after the September 11, 2001, attacks to expand police powers to battle terrorism.
    But libertarian Representative Ron Paul said the law undermined personal liberties. “I would be very careful protecting the rule of law,” he said.
    Former Senator Rick Santorum said he would back the use of profiling to give heavier airport screenings to Muslims, because they are “the folks who are most likely to commit these crimes.”
    Cain refused to go that far, but called for “targeted identification” of passengers. He said profiling was “oversimplifying” the issue.
    The debate, co-sponsored by conservative think tanks the Heritage Foundation and American Enterprise Institute, is the first presidential debate in Washington since a 1960 face-off between Democrat John Kennedy and Republican Richard Nixon that helped launch Kennedy’s run to the White House.
     
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    Those Republicans are such bullies.
     
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    bullies or not ,
    but some times republicans do some thing good too..
     
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    DFI people should like what these candidates were saying, but what the candidate in office after the election in November, 2012 does is what counts.
     
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    LOL GOOD LUCK WITH THAT!

    Even as lapdogs of China, there has been no growth in Pakistan. The only time there will be growth is when it stops rearing its ugly head, accepts it is a failed terrorist state, and seeks a new era of peace.
     
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    [video]http://www.reuters.com/video/2011/11/23/gop-candidates-debate-foreign-policy?videoId=225632024[/video]

    LOL these guys are pretty clueless as well. @ 1.20 the guy gets asked about ratial profiling... and gave one of the weakest replies I've seen.
     
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    The US raves and rants over Pakistan, but they do not take any action as such.

    It could be because they are in a bind that if they put too much of pressure, their logistics to ISAF through Pakistan will go up in smoke!
     
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    Bush was a republican. He started this whole trust Pakistan syndrome.
     
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    The "trust Pakistan syndrome" started in 1947.
     
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    It was because Bush put US boots on the ground in Afghanistan and they had to be supplied, and the only economically viable route was through Pakistan.

    Bush had no options.

    He also armed Pakistan with weapons that were supposed to be to fight terrorists, but were actually to be used against India, and Bush also salvaged Pakistan from becoming a bread basket case and which even the present administration is pursuing.
     
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    Chinese are enjoying this.
     
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    China always enjoys other's discomfort.

    They are very concerned about world peace and harmony! :rolleyes:
     
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    It is a welcome change after having been in the receiving end since the 70s.

    Replace Pakistan with India and that would give you the gist of what Nixon thought about India.
     
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    They say that Republicans have been pro India, but not the Democrats.

    How far is that correct?
     
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    Sorry, I misunderstood.

    The Republican Party was founded as the anti-slavery party in 1854.

    The Democratic Party evolved from Anti-Federalist factions that opposed the fiscal policies of Alexander Hamilton in the early 1790s. Andrew Jackson was the first Democratic president.
     
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    How good of a job has Pakistan done if a 40 nation NATO coalition along with a cheaply bought Pakistani mercenary army and 1 Trillion dollars spent and 10 years have not produced concrete results?? Maybe Pakistan is the weak link and USA knows it but cannot do much about??
     
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    The invasion of Iraq and leaving Afghanistan as a sideshow instead of focusing laser like on the Af-Pak region was one of the most devastating decision to affect India even today.

    Also Reagan was a republican too and he was the one that kept certifying Pakistan was not developing nukes when they were doing it right under his nose. Not to mention the entire anti-Soviet "Jihad" project that became a bane for India for 2 decades. He supported the coup to bring Zia in power and also lifted the arms embargo that was placed on Pakistan after the 1965 war.

    Going back through the years, it was a Republican Richard Nixon that supported Pakistan in the 1971 war even trying to bypass sanctions on Pakistan through Iran to provide military assistance.
    Interestingly it was a democrat President Lyndon Johnson that actually imitated the arms embargo after Pakistan launched a war of aggression against India using American weapons in 1965.

    The past is not always a predictor of the future but its something to ponder about.
     

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