US refuses to talk China with India

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  1. Ray

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    US refuses to talk China with India

    Days before US secretary of state John Kerry touched down in Beijing for his renewed outreach to China, US officials traveled to China to hold high level discussions on South Asia.

    There was nothing remarkable in this except for the fact that the US has refused to hold the East Asia dialogue with India for the past year. Through the East Asia dialogue, the US and India discussed issues relating to China and beyond, while India and South Asia are the subjects of discussion with China in the South Asia dialogue.

    From mid-2013, sources said the US has been stalling all attempts to hold the East Asia dialogue. Indian officials have even offered to meet in a third country but the new assistant secretary of state Daniel Russell, who took over from Kurt Campbell, met them with stony silence. Many in the Indian system describe this as "strategic inattention" by the Obama administration. It is most strongly manifested in the lack of engagement about Asia. A dialogue on Central Asia has fallen by the wayside as has a dialogue on Africa. A trilateral between India, US and Afghanistan last met around four months ago while a newly-constituted dialogue between the two countries on West Asia has met once.

    The US and India still have a trilateral discussion going with Japan. That too would have sunk were it not for the efforts of Japan and India to keep it afloat. Some in the US, looking for a way to kick-start relations with India, have toyed with the idea of a trilateral dialogue with China. But Beijing has torpedoed it, deeming it unworthy. But Beijing has not been averse to holding a trilateral with India and Russia on Afghanistan.

    Washington sources said Russell was not as interested in the dialogue with India as his predecessor was. Campbell was credited with instituting what many felt was the most productive engagement between India and the US. This was driven, sources said, by the interest of former secretary of state Hillary Clinton to the India relationship. With her departure and Campbell's, the India file has no A-list supporter in the Obama cabinet. Washington sources said Obama was immersed in the domestic agenda, and secretary of state John Kerry in the Middle East despite last week's visit to China. With vice-president Joe Biden concentrating on the China relationship, it only leaves the US defence department taking an interest in India.

    National security advisor Susan Rice, in her remarks to the Aspen Institute in Washington last week, said, "India is essential to America's broader engagement with Asia, where many of our national interests converge. We look forward to enhancing the ways that India's Look East policy and America's rebalance to Asia can be mutually reinforcing." With India entering election season and the US battling myriad issues elsewhere, such remarks risk turning into platitudes.

    US refuses to talk China with India - The Times of India

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  3. chase

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    This US administration is one of the most moronic in identifying it's friends and enemies. Kerry is the worst, he is a pakistani sympathizer.
     
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    When Americans discuss south Asia with China, their objects could include the financial and military aids of both countries in this area!
    What do you think the subject would be in US-India talk on East Asia? The hollow speech or comments from Indian diplomatic department?

    If you want to get involved in East Asian affairs, make your commits: money, weapon or military forces!
    So far, India offers nothing but empty words.
     
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    Chinese seems to be looking for answers as its about Japan relations with India.
     
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    A partnership to be worth its salt, needs to be nurtured for a long time, and its consistency maintained. There have been too many irritants and conflict of interests between India and the US.

    US foreign policy is dictated, to a large extent, by its corporations. Corporate greed swings as to the scenario for immediate gains, and so does US foreign policy. Under such repeated flip-flops from the US, India can simply ignore this much touted Indo-US partnership, and build its base with other, and more reliable countries.

    It would be in India's best interest to bring some stability in Indo-China relationship, and try to diversify its dependence on dollar trade.
     
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    Indo-China relations are improving and the 17 rounds of talks have yield good results
     
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    Brigadier, it is in the interest of usa to set the region in chaos but more importantly they also want to control the chaos which they wont be able to because of china as a result of which they occasionaly talk about India as a pivot to even the scales a bit and is purely meant for the chini audience.

    It is in India's interest to indepentily create ties with south east countries and japan rather than follow the lead of usa. They are dubious and not to be trusted for 1 sec. How can India be on the same page in south east asia while usa is in bed with the jamaatis in bangladesh ? heck even china's policy is more in sync with India's on bangladesh.
     
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    @no smoking made an relevant point. So far India has been only empty words. India has to improve it's economy and side by side convert this economical power into military presence in the south east aisa or atleast should have the capability.
     
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    If Indian leaders take good decisions then India can be that country which can bring peace to the whole world . The Policy adopted by India is in real reducing tension in the region and even India is trying to approach all the nations in the field of education, development, health and in coming years more relations will be made in space and Nuclear sector. Indian diplomacy has always worked .
     

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