US promised India help if China attacked during 1971 Indo-Pak war

[SpArK]

US promised India help if China attacked during 1971 Indo-Pak war

 

[trackwhack]

US promised India help if China attacked during 1971 Indo-Pak war

It was promised by Henry Kissinger, the biggest lying two faced monster that India has dealt with. Sure, the US would have helped.

 

[The Messiah]

Not to mention they were egging on the chinese to attack India.

 

[nrj]

US promised India help if China attacked during 1971 Indo-Pak war

That is because USSR might not have helped India against China

 

[JAISWAL]

US promised India help if China attacked during 1971 Indo-Pak war - The Times of India
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NEW DELHI: Despite its intense animosity towards India during the 1971 war, the US promised New Delhi "all out" support in case China carried out any unprovoked attack on India, recently declassified documents reveal 40 years after the historic war that created Bangladesh. The revelations add fresh twist to the narrative of the Indo-Pak war of 1971. Based on a set of freshly declassified documents of the ministry of external affairs, TOI had in early November
reported that the US hostility towards India
during the 1971 war was far beyond what was
publicly known. And that the US had probably
also prepared a few Marine battalions for
operations against the Indian military.
Communications of the Indian embassy in
Washington and of the government in New
Delhi show that US offered "all out" help if China
were to enter the Indo-Pak standoff to favour its
all-weather friend.
After a meeting with Henry Kissinger, then
adviser to President Richard Nixon, on August
25, 1971, Indian ambassador to the US L K Jha
reported to New Delhi, "He said that in a 1962
type of situation, US will not hesitate to give all
out help to India against China, and there is no
change of position on this." Kissinger was
referring to the military conflict between India
and China in 1962 in which India was humiliated.
A few weeks before this meeting, during a visit
to New Delhi, Kissinger told then defence
minister Jagjivan Ram, "I might tell you that we
would take a very grave view of any Chinese
move against India."
Ambassador Jha had spent three hours with
Kissinger in San Clemente White House, the
vacation home of Nixon, on August 25, as
tension mounted in South Asia. They discussed
details of issues that could crop up in an
upcoming meeting between then PM Indira
Gandhi and Nixon.
But "in this one (letter to foreign secretary T N
Kaul), I am dealing with one specific point
relating to the US attitude in the event of China
joining on the side of Pakistan in a conflict with
us", the ambassador wrote. Discussions with
Kissinger on possible Chinese aggression were
prompted by queries from New Delhi, the letter
shows. New Delhi was worried that China could
open a second front against India, even as it
fought Pakistan. Such a collaboration between
China and Pakistan still remains a worry for the
Indian security establishment.
"Then I asked that in order to be quite clear and
free from any ambiguity or doubt, I would
welcome a fuller formulation from him of the US
position in case we are involved in any kind of a
conflict with China." In response, Kissinger
offered "all out" help in case of a 1962 type
situation. Then he went on to discuss other
possible scenarios.
"If it was a 1965 type of Pakistani attack, then
even without Chinese involvement, US would
take the toughest measures against Pakistan, and
if China came to its help, it would not hesitate to
help us with arms, though not with men," Jha
wrote. The situation Kissinger referred was an
unprovoked Pakistani aggression.
"However, the chances were that if the present
situation escalates into a conflict, it would be
very hard to tell who is to blame. Thus, if India
sent two divisions of irregulars into East Bengal
and Pakistanis sent four such divisions into
Kashmir, it would not be a situation in which the
US could possibly help even if China threw its
weight on the side of Pakistan," Kissinger told
Jha, according to the ambassador's letter.
This letter from the Indian ambassador was seen
by the foreign minister, the secretary to the
prime minister and most other senior officials.

 

[utubekhiladi]

:bs: :bs:

 

[pmaitra]

Now this is news to me. AFAIK, quite the opposite happened. I think now that US is trying hard to impress the Indians sensing the strong distrust that lingers in the minds of Indians due to the covert hostile acts the US committed against India for the sake of Truman Doctrine and Cold War. This report is definitely a mark of lobbying and soft priming taken up by the US to sweeten the remaining hiccups that mar the further progress of Indo-US relationship.

Personally, I'd have a lot more respect for honest admission and excuses of pragmatic geopolitics than such pathetic attempts.

 

[Ray]

Only a fool would believe Kissinger or this so called declassified paper.

The ground reality proved that Kissinger lies through his teeth!

 

[asianobserve]

I can only appreciate the long lasting propaganda accomplishment of the USSR on Indians. Despite the increasingly unavoidable evidence of US repeated strategic overtures to India a lot of Indians still insist that the US was singularly committed to destroying it. The declassified info BTW did not emanate from the US but from India's External Affairs Ministry according to the above Times of India article.

I said this before and I'll say it again, the US is more a natural ally for democratic India than any other power. (The alliance with the totalitarian USSR was odd.)

 

[pmaitra]

I can only appreciate the long lasting propaganda accomplishment of the USSR on Indians.

When the news of the successful Sputnik launch spread to the world, part of the US press called it 'Communist Propaganda.'

Despite the increasingly unavoidable evidence of US repeated strategic overtures to India a lot of Indians still insist that the US was singularly committed to destroying it.

The US was thoroughly committed to Truman Doctrine and Cold War and don't even argue about it. Indo-Pak rivalry was also a manifestation of the Cold War. In 1971, we had already become a Soviet ally. We even have a city in India called the graveyward of Patton tanks. It's called Patton-Nagar. Read up on it. Now don't get me started on Sabre jets. If Indians insist on what you wrote, they are right!

The declassified info BTW did not emanate from the US but from India's External Affairs Ministry according to the above Times of India article.

Couldn't have and I don't believe it; unless of course someone was smoking pot in the External Affairs Ministry.

I said this before and I'll say it again, the US is more a natural ally for democratic India than any other power. (The alliance with the totalitarian USSR was odd.)

A natural ally of the US cannot be a democracy. The US always preferred single window interaction and dictatorships were always preferred over democracies, especially Parliamentary ones.

 

[Known_Unknown]

I can only appreciate the long lasting propaganda accomplishment of the USSR on Indians. Despite the increasingly unavoidable evidence of US repeated strategic overtures to India a lot of Indians still insist that the US was singularly committed to destroying it. The declassified info BTW did not emanate from the US but from India's External Affairs Ministry according to the above Times of India article.

I said this before and I'll say it again, the US is more a natural ally for democratic India than any other power. (The alliance with the totalitarian USSR was odd.)

Uhh....if anything, this proves even more that the US was committed to war against India. Earlier declassified US documents show that the US (Kissinger) personally travelled to Beijing to convince the Chinese to go to war against India in 1971. The Chinese did not heed the US advice. On the other hand, they were falsely assuring India of help against the Chinese in event of a war. In reality, they actually sent a nuclear armed aircraft carrier to the Bay of Bengal to deter the Indian attack on East Pukistan.

The only REAL friend India had in 1971 was the USSR, which not only used their veto in the UNSC more than 20 times to block any resolutions against India, but also sent 2 nuclear armed submarines to follow the USS Enterprise into the Bay of Bengal to deter the US from launching war against India.

These new revelations only show what kind of two-faced liars both Nixon and Kissinger were, and to what lengths they were willing to go to stoke WWIII in the subcontinent.

 

[asianobserve]

A natural ally of the US cannot be a democracy. The US always preferred single window interaction and dictatorships were always preferred over democracies, especially Parliamentary ones.

What can I say? Not even concrete evidence produced by a respectable Indian newspaper will sway long held assumptions (shaped no doubt by decades of propaganda). BTW, the majority of the US allies are still democratic. I need not elaborate. The dictators are either purely a strategic mistake or unavoidable embrace of realpolitiks (they will go to their equally undemocratic powers if not held tight). But just review the alliances of the USSR during the Cold war, India stick out like a gleaming crystal of beauty amid a sea of socialist totalitarian darkness...

 

[Yusuf]

Even if this was true, I think Kissinger was lulling India. It's known that this very same person had asked china to posture against India. The soviets didn't amass 3 divisions on the Chinese border for nothing.

 

[utubekhiladi]

I can only appreciate the long lasting propaganda accomplishment of the USSR on Indians. Despite the increasingly unavoidable evidence of US repeated strategic overtures to India a lot of Indians still insist that the US was singularly committed to destroying it. The declassified info BTW did not emanate from the US but from India's External Affairs Ministry according to the above Times of India article.

I said this before and I'll say it again, the US is more a natural ally for democratic India than any other power. (The alliance with the totalitarian USSR was odd.)

what you are saying may be true currently, right now..

but things were different in year 71's...

Kissinger once called former Indian Prime Minister Indira Gandhi a "bitch" in conversation.. he personally hated india and our then prime minister Indira gandhi. kissinger even sent nuclear armed USS enterprise to strike india with devastating force so that america's ally pakistan can be saved during 1971 war. but due to russians comming to our rescue, USS enterprise made a 'U' turn with out making any contact.

due to the nuclear black-mailing from chinese and usa, we exploded our first nuclear bomb in 1974 and 1998.. we got heavy sanctions from usa and its puppet states...

we have been ranting, complaining and yelling to americans that do not give free f-16's and weapons to pakistan as they are using "terrorism" as state policy against india... you know all those tomahawk missiles, f-16's, p3c orions, Hercules, hell fires, side winders, Apaches, howitzers etc were giving free-of-cost to pakistan in the name of war on terror. americans wanted to maintain power balance In asia... wtf..

even in year 2010, we heavy complained to usa when they agreed to sell 18 f-16 block 52 plus upgrade kit for remaining f-16's.. but usa didn't even listened..

osama bin laden story changes everything.. now usa wants to be friend to India... u know???

usa still needs to do heavy work to earn out trust.

and, do not believe everything that is published in india.. TOI is a mouthpiece of congress and supports American lobby.. so they will publish bullshit articles like these one...

 

[warriorextreme]

USA has always cared more about selling its weapons rather than anything...whole world knows about this...

 

[pmaitra]

What can I say? Not even concrete evidence produced by a respectable Indian newspaper will sway long held assumptions (shaped no doubt by decades of propaganda).

Read the red portion below:

Uhh....if anything, this proves even more that the US was committed to war against India. Earlier declassified US documents show that the US (Kissinger) personally travelled to Beijing to convince the Chinese to go to war against India in 1971. The Chinese did not heed the US advice. On the other hand, they were falsely assuring India of help against the Chinese in event of a war. In reality, they actually sent a nuclear armed aircraft carrier to the Bay of Bengal to deter the Indian attack on East Pukistan.

The only REAL friend India had in 1971 was the USSR, which not only used their veto in the UNSC more than 20 times to block any resolutions against India, but also sent 2 nuclear armed submarines to follow the USS Enterprise into the Bay of Bengal to deter the US from launching war against India.

These new revelations only show what kind of two-faced liars both Nixon and Kissinger were, and to what lengths they were willing to go to stoke WWIII in the subcontinent.

BTW, the majority of the US allies are still democratic. I need not elaborate. The dictators are either purely a strategic mistake or unavoidable embrace of realpolitiks (they will go to their equally undemocratic powers if not held tight). But just review the alliances of the USSR during the Cold war, India stick out like a gleaming crystal of beauty amid a sea of socialist totalitarian darkness...

And the US has and had difficulty getting Germany, France, Italy et al. to agree with the US foreign policy exactly because they were democratic. See the reactions of the countries I mentioned during (1) Iraq invasion, (2) Russo-Georgian War, (3) UNSC vote against Libya etc.. The US has had a much smoother ride with dictatorships. The keyword here is 'natural ally,' not 'ally!'

 

[asianobserve]

Uhh....if anything, this proves even more that the US was committed to war against India. Earlier declassified US documents show that the US (Kissinger) personally travelled to Beijing to convince the Chinese to go to war against India in 1971. The Chinese did not heed the US advice. On the other hand, they were falsely assuring India of help against the Chinese in event of a war. In reality, they actually sent a nuclear armed aircraft carrier to the Bay of Bengal to deter the Indian attack on East Pukistan.

The only REAL friend India had in 1971 was the USSR, which not only used their veto in the UNSC more than 20 times to block any resolutions against India, but also sent 2 nuclear armed submarines to follow the USS Enterprise into the Bay of Bengal to deter the US from launching war against India. Note that the US reproachment policy did not start until 1971-72. Maybe after the US realised the futility of Indian engagement.

These new revelations only show what kind of two-faced liars both Nixon and Kissinger were, and to what lengths they were willing to go to stoke WWIII in the subcontinent.

What do you think would have ahappened if India earlier accepted US overtures, it offered China's UN seat and 1962 assistance... Would the carrier task force diplomacy occured in 1971 if India and the US already had a relatively good strategic arrangement? The most the US could have done granting it still maintained relationship with Pakistan ws to declare neutrality. Note that the US reproachment policy towards China did not take place until 1971, and seriously in 1972. This was probably only after the US realised that its India engagement policies will go nowehere...

 

[utubekhiladi]

right now americans are eyeing for 120 billion dollars that India is going to spend on defense in next 8 years and market pie for american companies like walmart etc.. plus, they want to use India against china..

 

[pmaitra]

AsianObserve, let it go buddy! The US was firmly against India in 1971-72 Indo-Pak Bangladesh Liberation War. Period.

Here are the two belligerent groups:

Mukti Bahini + India + USSR (good guys) Pakistan + USA + PRC (bad guys)

 

[asianobserve]

And the US has and had difficulty getting Germany, France, Italy et al. to agree with the US foreign policy exactly because they were democratic. See the reactions of the countries I mentioned during (1) Iraq invasion, (2) Russo-Georgian War, (3) UNSC vote against Libya etc.. The US has had a much smoother ride with dictatorships. The keyword here is 'natural ally,' not 'ally!'

The European ditherings are of recent phenomena, except maybe France. This is because they no longer need so desperately US security umbrella as the USSR is no more. But rest assured that their alliance is still solid and when one is pushed against he wall the rest will still come around.

I