US plan to station military aircraft in India ?

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  1. Neil

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    A top US Air Force general has said Washington is preparing to station military aircraft in India as part of its “Asia pivot” policy, and the city it is looking at to base its assets in is Kerala capital Thiruvananthapuram.

    An Indian defence ministry source said: “We have never discussed any such proposal.”

    Defence minister A.K. Antony is from Kerala, where the Opposition Left is mobilising protests against the state government.

    The disclosure by the American general, who was part of the policy group on Indo-US military relations, has the potential to stir up trouble for the Manmohan Singh government in the run-up to elections. In Kerala, the Left is particularly strong.

    CPM general secretary Prakash Karat, informed of the US general’s statement, said: “That seems to be the expectation of the Pentagon. It would stem from the Indo-US military framework agreement signed in 2006. It is up to the UPA government to clarify if such base facilities will be allowed.”

    The chief of the Pacific air forces under the US military’s Pacific Command, General Herbert “Hawk” Carlisle, has visited Thiruvananthapuram. As a lieutenant general before he took over his current command, he had led the US delegation at an executive steering group meeting of the Indian and US air forces.

    “So, as I envision it, as I talk about expanded engagement, a lot of our rebalance is a rotational presence through the Pacific. And obviously we’ll maintain our capability in Northeast Asia. In a lot of ways we’ll increasingly move south and west with the rotational presence. Darwin, Tindal, (Pilbara), Changi East in Singapore, Korat in Thailand, Trivandrum in India.… The most capable platforms will be rotated into the Asia-Pacific,” the general was quoted by Foreign Policy and other magazines as telling journalists at a breakfast meeting.

    Carlisle said the US was not setting up new bases in the Asia-Pacific but would continuously “rotate” its military assets in a revival of a “Checkered Flag” policy from the years of the Cold War.

    He said that during the Cold War, the US rotated all its military units from the Continental US (Conus) to Europe. That would now be done for the Asia-Pacific.

    Indian Air Chief Marshal N.A.K. Browne, who visited the US last month, met Carlisle.

    Talking of that meeting, the US general said the Indian Air Force was trying to learn to set up a military space command. Carlisle said he had apologised for cancelling a Red Flag exercise, to which the Indian Air Force had been invited, because of budget cuts.

    “The relationship’s great with the Indian Air Force. I think Air Chief Marshal Browne and I are good friends. We’ve known each other for a while,” Carlisle said.

    “We talked about a variety of things. One of them was, again, an apology on our part for cancelling Red Flag. We did make a commitment to have Red Flag next year about this time and they are going to participate, so that was a positive in that respect.”

    He added: “We talked about other engagement opportunities. Their C-17 (strategic air-lifter) — he was here picking up a C-17 out of Long Beach, their second one. He actually flew the C-17 back here to Washington DC through Colorado. So we talked about the C-17.

    “One of the discussions was doing some exchanges with their C-17 folks and ours. The other things that he talked about were the Indian Air Force — the Indian military is trying to develop a space command.”

    Browne was also in Colorado Springs to visit the US Air Force Space Command. “So we talked about our potential to show them how we do it, some of the education that’s available, some of the organisational things, some of the things we learned as we stood up a space command a long time ago,” the general said.


    US plan to station military aircraft in India ? | idrw.org
     
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  3. sob

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    Singapore AF F 16s are at Kalaikunda so precedence is there, but IMO there is no point for USA to base aircraft in India as long as they have a base in Deigo Gracia and ACs active in the Gulf region.
     
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    I do not see that Indian policy makers would allow so, but you never know

    Mod: SMS language fixed
     
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    Defence co-operation between India and US is ok however, they should not be allowed to build a base inside our land. If at all GOI would do so, we would become another puppet of US just like South Korea and Japan.

    If we have self respect then, we should simply deny the proposal from US.

    Just my 2 cents....
     
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    Tshering22 Sikkimese Saber Senior Member

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    Those who are equating Singapore's jets being stationed here, there's a totally different reason for them to place their assets here versus what US has in mind.

    Singaporeans keep their military assets here because of lack of land in their own country and old cultural ties with the place since even before colonials came to power.

    Whereas US wants more military bases around China where it wants to see all the potential 'threats' in one place.

    US bases are usually in countries that have renounced its own defence as US guarantees it, or those who cannot afford a military of themselves, or even those who are a part of a military alliance with USA.

    We are none of that.

    Personally, I welcome US cooperation and partnership with our forces, but a base in our country is not acceptable.

    Thanks for asking though. :)
     
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    The Messiah Bow Before Me! Elite Member

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    If such a thing happens the govt should be tried for treason and subsequently hanged.
     
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    On a contrarian note, what is the problem with letting the yanks have a base in South India?

    1. Get some Dollars into the economy which we so badly need.

    2. The base will be upgraded with American dolloars

    3. Our chaps will get some practice with the american pilots-- good for us.

    Not that they will start dictating our foreign policy with one base.
     
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    I don't see them operating a base rather, basing a squadron or two of fighters under rotation + some EW or ELINT assets would be very handy. This should be an awesome experience if we contantly get rotations of F-15s, F-16s, F-22s, F-18SHs we could have frequent engagements, excercises and have some realistic training. Moreover, if such aircraft are based at our bases, chances are some very hefty long range radars are brought it and some of them are powerful enough to monitor everything in a 2000 km radius. Keep in mind such assets would be operated in conjuction with Indian operators. With ambitions of having a dedicated space command US is already going to be advising on how it could be done.
     
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    as mentioned in the article itself,america doesn't have interest of creating new bases anywhere but to move their aircraft places from one place to another time to time according to their policies.

    by asking for a station for its jets in trivandrum america has not asked much (in my opinion) any it will not even increase tensions with pak/china.don't know how russia will react,but still its a good proposal,and GOI should look into this if we/IAF can have something from this relation
    @sob diego gracias is mainly a naval base,already congested heavily.
    The recent change of american military policy to concentrate its 40% naval forces in IOR/SCS region will create huge requirement of bases for american forces .so they have to look forward for new places

    the only country in this strategic region apart from pakistan that can harbour american bases without having any wrath(including economical) from china to large extent being India they may be interested to place here.

    with the ever turbulent Indian politics ,coalition dharma running at the center ,left parties with a king maker role will definitely stop any american weaponry on our land for sure
     
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    India denies reports of US plans to station military aircraft in Thiruvananthapuram


    A top US air force official’s remarks that his country is planning to station a military aircraft in Thiruvananthapuram as part of its policy of encircling China with defence bases has created flutters here and the government has dismissed any such possibility.

    General Herbert ‘Hawk’ Carlisle, the commander of the US air force assets in the Pacific, had told reporters at a breakfast meeting recently that the American air force was planning to expand its presence in Asia as part of the “pivot to Asia” policy. The idea behind it is to ring China with US and allied forces.

    “This is just the start of the air force’s plan to expand its presence in Asia. In addition to the Australian deployments, the air force will be sending jets to Changi East airbase in Singapore, Korat airbase in Thailand, Trivandrum in India, and possibly bases at Kubi Point and Puerto Princesa in the Philippines and airfields in Indonesia and Malaysia,” he was quoted as saying by Foreign Policy magazine and other media outlets.

    General Carlisle said “we are not gonna build any more bases in the Pacific to support the US air force’s increased presence there.” The US air force has nine major bases in different countries.


    India denies reports of US plans to station military aircraft in Thiruvananthapuram | idrw.org
     
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    No foreign power be allowed to set up military base on Indian soil: Govt | idrw.org

    Holding that India “will not allow any foreign country to establish a military base on Indian soil,” the defence ministry on Thursday rubbished reports that New Delhi and Washington had ever discussed such a proposal.

    This comes after a top American air force officer, General Herbert ‘Hawk’ Carlisle, was quoted as saying that the US would station its fighter jets in India and other countries in the future, as part of its larger pivot or re-balancing of forces towards the crucial Asia-Pacific region.

    The Indian MoD, however, said no such proposal had ever been on the Indo-US bilateral agenda. “India has carefully nurtured strategic relations with many countries. There is a great deal of clarity in our policy. We are not part of any military bloc, nor will ever be,” said an official.

    What created a flutter in South Block was that Gen Carlisle identified Thiruvananthapuram, in the home state of defence minister AK Antony, as the proposed base for American fighters like F-22s and F-35s.

    “So, as I envision it, as I talk about expanded engagement, a lot of our re-balance is a rotational presence through the Pacific. And obviously, we will maintain our capability in northeast Asia,” said Gen Carlisle, the air force commander of the US Pacific Command at Hawaii.

    “In a lot of ways, we will increasingly move south and west with the rotational presence. Darwin, Tindal, (Pilbara), Changi East in Singapore, Korat in Thailand, Trivandrum in India,” he was quoted as saying during a question-and-answer session on July 29, soon after IAF chief Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne visited the US.

    Antony has already held that while India is all for further cranking up bilateral defence cooperation with countries like the US, it clearly does not want to be part of any grand design to “contain China” in the region. China is miffed with the new defence policy being enunciated by the US, which includes progressively shifting 60% of its formidable naval fleet with 11 aircraft carrier battle groups to the Asia-Pacific.
     
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    That my friend, is the problem.

    They don't leave once they come.

    That's what we don't want.

    Look at all the countries US has had base-level ties with.

    They are all in dumps today.

    We don't want that.
     
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    Germany, England, Japan, South Korea are not in the dumps...
     
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    Our Problem is that we have a very poor opinion of ourselves. We are strong enough to be independent and do not need the Americans to protect our borders.

    But, the very big but is that we put our foolish pride in front of us and do not take advantage of the opportunities that come knocking at our front door.
     
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    yet you want yankees ? sounds contradictory

    One word: NEVER
     
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    Can you tell me about the political autonomy that any of these countries have?

    Germany: Bogged down by the veiled nuke threat since Postdam.

    England: A US lackey to the date.

    Japan and Korea: More American than all US presidents put together. If US says NO to anything, they will backtrack on everything. Japan can't even sell weapons to other countries due to 'self imposed ban' which is actually a polite way of saying they don't want to compete with USA.

    Germany and Japan are still the two most watched over countries by US, UK and France. They engage in economic partnership only as a disguise so that these two countries don't militarize. Germany is NOT allowed to wield strategic weapons and ballistic missiles, the ones they have are US made and their controls are in the hands of Americans.

    Same thing with Japan.

    Koreans are a relatively free, but they cannot say no to what US asks.

    __________

    Tell me, do you prefer that kind of prosperity? Where either all your steps and words are monitored or where you have to ask for anything and everything from a foreign country?
     
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    Political autonomy, such a lofty phrase. The opium of the Indian elites. But what did it give to the Indian people?

    Germany after the war was able to free up a large part of her resources in rebuilding her shattered economy rather than allocating a lot of it for a solo defense against then threatening East Germany and its master the USSR, because of the security provided by its alliance with America. The same with Japan and South Korea. The people in these countries benefited immensely from the practical strategic foreign policy decisions of their Governments. And even though these countries have close working relation with the US on foreign policy matters you cannot say that they are entirely puppets. Germany certainly does not give the US a blank check of support even during the height of the Cold War.
     
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    self respect
     
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    It's an illusion. Indian certainly is on the rise lately (it still has to prove the viability of this trend though) but for a long time its masses has been the picture of poverty all over the World while its politicians proclaim their sky high regard for their foreign policy "independence."
     
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    On an afterthought I think it is feasible.

    MMS is totally enamoured by the US ever since his daughter went there.

    He loves Pakistan because he is born there at a place called Gah. Wah! Wah!

    If Nehru Gandhi can have a dynastic rule and treat India as something willed by the Father's hand, then why should the PM not treat foreign policy as a family interest affair?

    After all, he will not be the PM forever.

    So, make hay while the sun shines!
     

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