US, Pakistan threaten each other with military action

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  1. pmaitra

    pmaitra Moderator Moderator

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    US, Pakistan threaten each other with military action

    Chidanand Rajghatta, TNN | May 6, 2011, 12.30am IST; Times of India

    WASHINGTON: Barely disguising mutual antagonism, the United States and Pakistan on Thursday threatened each other with military action in the aftermath of the American raid on the Abbottabad compound to kill Osama bin Laden, even as sober elements on both sides scrambled to save the relationship from total breakdown.

    The White House led the way in publicly reiterating that it would not hesitate to carry out more such special operations in Pakistan if it did not act against terrorists holed up in the country. A lengthy Pakistani foreign office statement that the US incursion could not become the standard operating procedure or precedent for US or other countries did nothing to dissuade Washington from re-asserting the tough Obama policy: if there are terrorists inside Pakistan and it does not act, then the US will.

    In fact, the White House itself surprisingly framed Sunday's raid a war context. "The operation was conducted in a manner fully consistent with the laws of war," Obama's spokesman Jay Carney said while discussing the Osama kill. "There is simply no question that this operation was lawful... We acted in the nation's self-defense." The remarks appeared to address Pakistan questioning the legality of the US action.

    A rattled Pakistan fired back on Thursday through both its civilian front and military cabal which had been silent for more than three days after the US raid widely seen there as humiliating. The provocation for the angry Pakistan reaction was as much concern about more US incursions (and humiliation) as fears that New Delhi would take the American raid as a precedent, an apprehension that was heightened after Indian military commanders said they had the wherewithal to conduct similar special operations.

    Statements from New Delhi to the effect that India would not do anything like that to Pakistan during its moment of embarrassment did nothing to assuage Islamabad.

    Pakistan's foreign secretary Salman Bashir, with an obvious eye on India, said that any country that again seeks to raid its territory would face consequences. "We feel that that sort of misadventure or miscalculation would result in a terrible catastrophe," he said. "There should be no doubt Pakistan has adequate capacity to ensure its own defence."

    Revealing that Pakistan had scrambled its F-16s as soon as it got to know of the raid, Bashir said "The Pakistan security forces are neither incompetent nor negligent about their sacred duty to protect Pakistan. There shall not be any doubt that any repetition of such an act will have disastrous consequences."

    The irony of Pakistan scrambling US supplied F-16s to shoot at Americans hasn't sunk in in Washington, where some lawmakers are asking for a re-evaluation of the relationship.

    The Pakistani military also took on the US, threatening to disrupt its war effort in Afghanistan if there were more such actions. A meeting of corps commanders presided over by army chief Ashfaq Kayani issued a tough statement saying the "COAS (Chief of Army Staff) made it clear that any similar action violating the sovereignty of Pakistan will warrant a review on the level of military/intelligence cooperation with the United States."

    The meeting also reportedly resolved to ask the United States to reduce to the strength of its military personnel in Pakistan to a "bare minimum level."

    While the two sides fired verbal volleys at each other long distance, Pakistan's envoy to Washington, Hussain Haqqani and US interlocutors tried to calm things down by emphasizing cooperative aspects of the relationship. Several key US players, including Senator John McCain, urged the administration not to push Pakistan to the wall.

    But the Obama administration's tact is being tested by stunning leaks from Pakistani investigators who took over the Abbottabad compound, including disclosures that that bin Laden was killed in cold blood, as witnessed by his 12-year old daughter, and that the raiding party encountered no resistance at all in terms of firing.

    Pakistani officials also reportedly sold photographs of the carnage, showing unarmed men (excepting bin Laden, whose body was taken away by American forces) lying in pools of blood, to western news agencies. They said the three men had all been shot in cold blood by US forces.

    The exchanges came even as Washington clammed up on further operational details of the US attack amid discrepancies and doubts about how bin Laden was eliminated and whether there was an option for him to surrender.

    President Obama on Wednesday decided not to release pictures of bin Laden's extermination because of its gruesome nature, saying it was the US did not want to use such images as "trophies."

    Source: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-with-military-action/articleshow/8172679.cms
     
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    Commentary:
    • There are hawks in the Pakistani establishment who do not exercise much restraint in giving belligerent speeches.
    • Pakistan cannot afford a confrontation with US simply because the US has probably the most powerful military in the world.
    • This news article could be borderline-rhetorical or subject to journalistic sensationalism because there are persons both in the US political circles and Pakistani political circles who want to keep relations cordial.
    • All this belligerent talk from some in Pakistan could be for domestic consumption or merely an attempt to save face.
    • Pakistan threatening US, as implied in the title, would best suit an Eddie Izzard show.
     
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    amitkriit Senior Member Senior Member

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    This is nothing but sensationalism, which is regularly practiced by a few news channels, and TOI is famous for it. They have simply gathered all statements given in past few days and created a good spicy story.
     
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    I too was thinking of the same thing. See I added that 'sensationalism' thing in my comment as soon as you posted yours but before I saw your post of course. :)
     
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    Pakistan needs to realise that:
    • OBL was neither a Pakistani nor a Pakistani citizen and he was taking refuge in Pakistan, with or without the approval or knowledge of the government of Pakistan.
    • In the hypothetical event OBL happened to be a Pakistani citizen, it was the responsibility of Pakistan to arrest him and try him or extradite him to the UN, US or any other country where he or his organisation has carried out terrorist strikes.
    • OBL, AFAIK, was not a Pakistani citizen, hence, Pakistan should not have any reason to complain whatsoever.
    • OBL chose when and how to attack the Twin Towers and Pentagon. Therefore, US was absolutely fair in deciding when and how to attack OBL. Moreover, US could have simply bombed the crap out of Abbottabad (or Abettabad - for abetting terrorism), but instead risked the lives of its soldiers and in the process prevented collateral damage. It would be utter stupidity on Pakistan's part to interpret this as an attack on Pakistan or Pakistanis. However, Pakistanis typically have a warped notion about valour, honour and all the virtues you can think of.
    • To me, they are a joke, with nukes.
     
  7. civfanatic

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    LOL. Let the Americans and Pakistanis bomb the hell out of each other. We can watch and laugh :popcorn:

    Let's take PoK while we're at it :becky:

    :arjun::arjun::arjun::arjun::arjun:
     
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    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    pakistan can be compared to 'duryodhan' and pakistanis military advisors can be compared to mama 'sakhuni' while pakistanis government can be compared to 'dhritarashtra'. they all mix together like oil and water. lol
     
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    what did Pakistan think they will do nothing and keep collecting US aid?? They Volunteered for the war on terror this was expected.
     
  10. ganesh177

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    Dont take toi seriously. They are putting together different statements and putting out diffferent story.
     
  11. Blackwater

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    Pak beggeres start barking. When dog start barking and become mad shoot him.
     
  12. Parthy

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    TCG Multi-Link Ground Support System to Pakistan Air Force

    Tactical Communications Group (TCG) has received its fourth consecutive order from the US Air Forces' Electronic Systems Center (ESC) for a Ground Support System (GSS) for use by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF).

    TCG's GSS solution for the (PAF) will provide their pilots a commercial-off-the-shelf (COTS) capability to support Link 16 simulation training and operations situational awareness on Pakistani F-16 aircraft.

    By using the GSS, PAF will now be able to connect to airborne networks at a low cost and conduct efficient and effective training of network operators and aviation personnel.

    The TCG system will also provide growth options for additional data link networking for operational and maintenance training on the system and its components in Southeastern Pakistan. The GSS can be easily and affordably adapted to their F16 fleet applications and has been proven in the US and in over twelve worldwide locations, including countries throughout Europe, Scandinavia, the Middle East and Pacific Rim Air Bases.

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    TCG Multi Link Ground Support System to Pakistan Air Force

    TCG’s Ground Tactical Data Link System (GTS) is a transportable, highly realistic tactical training and simulation system for terrestrial TDL networks.
    "This customer win signifies the traction TCG's systems are getting in the international military arena," said Ed Durkin TCG's CEO. "We are providing the Pakistani Air Force the best possible ground link 16 capability at an affordable price.

    TCG's GSS solution is an extension of its proven COTS Ground Tactical Data Link System (GTS) and was chosen for its comprehensive operational and training design, and capabilities. We are confident it will meet the Pakistani's mission requirements moving forward, and are pleased to win this competitive FMS award."

    ESC announced TCG's selection in February after a competitive process starting with an RFP release in October 2010 for one (1) tactical ground support system which was able to provide the capability of transmitting, receiving, and recording Link 16 network transmissions, a stable navigation source, and emulated Command and Control (C2) and non-C2 platform transmissions.

    TCG will deliver the GSS to the US Government and then subsequently install and test the system in Pakistan with new requested optional features to be added shortly thereafter.



    Read more: http://www.defencetalk.com/tcg-mult...em-to-pakistan-air-force-33960/#ixzz1LYPLfLKQ
     
  13. Virendra

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    Did not deem this sequence of statements any worthier than a comic mention at the shoutbox yesterday and TOI made an article of out of it? :yuck:
    Sensationalism at its best.


    Regards,
    Virendra
     

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