US-Pakistan relationship in serious trouble: Expert

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    US-Pakistan relationship in serious trouble: Expert
    Saturday, October 07, 2017 By: ET Source Link: CLICK HERE

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    The US-Pakistan relationship is in "serious trouble" and the mistrust between the two countries runs deep, an expert on the bilateral ties at a top American think-tank has said, a day after Pakistan's Foreign Minister concluded his three-day visit to Washington.

    Moeed Yusuf, a senior expert on Pakistan at the United States Institute of Peace, a top American think-tank funded by the Congress said that the default position in Islamabad and Washington was very sceptical of other's intentions.

    "The sense that I have is that this relationship is in serious trouble," Yusuf told yesterday.

    His remarks came a day after Pakistan's Foreign Minister Khawaja Asif concluded his three-day official trip to Washington during which he met Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and National Security Advisor H R McMaster.

    "The foreign minister said himself something to that effect, Yusuf said, pointing to the remarks made by Asif at an event after his meetings with Tillerson and McMaster.

    "I won't be extravagant. Meeting with Secretary of State went very well. Meeting with McMaster, I will be a bit cautious about, but it was good. It wasn't bad. I think we need to pursue this course of contact in discussions and exchange of views. I think we need to pursue it more rigorously," Asif said when asked what message he was taking back.

    A known expert on US-Pakistan relationship, Yusuf said the real issue here was that of mistrust.

    "The mistrust is so deep and that is going to be very difficult for both sides to work a way out in which they would essentially rely on each other, trusting that they would be sincere to whatever is being done. On both sides the default position is one that is very sceptical of the intentions on the other side," he said.

    Yusuf said that no one should expect "a major breakthrough" anytime soon.

    At best this relationship is going to muddle through and limp along till both sides are able to find a way to work together or till there is a sense that both sides are willing to give and take in a way that the other feels that there is a real incentive to do that, he said.

    "Right now, I do not think that that is the case," he said, adding that both the US and Pakistan recognise that the rupture is going to be costly and would hurt them in Afghanistan.

    "I do think that this is the first time there is a possibility that the relationship could come to a standstill despite neither side seeing this as the preferred option," Yusuf said.

    Observing that there is a very serious divergence of interest when it comes to Afghanistan, Yusuf said Pakistan sees "a very curtailed" Indian influence in the war-torn country.

    "The US view of stability in Afghanistan is one that sees a much larger influence for India by default, because of the Kabul's preference, but also a role for itself ensuring that there are no continued threats coming out of Afghanistan for the US," he said, explaining the sharp difference emerging between the two countries on the role of regional players in Afghanistan.

    Noting that the US' message to Pakistan consistently has been the need to do more on terror sanctuaries.

    "I think there's a clear message delivered again that that needs to be dealt with but not in terms of promises but in terms of actions," he said.

    The Pakistani view is that it is being scapegoated and the problems really lie in Afghanistan and Pakistan part of the problem is being exaggerated, he said, referring to Asif's post-meeting remarks.

    "I think this was also candidly conveyed to the Pakistani side," he said, adding that the meetings between the US and Pakistani officials this week were candid and both sides laid their cards on the table.

    However, there is definitely no appetite for an imminent rupture on either side, Yusuf said.

    Responding to a question on India's role, Yusuf said Pakistan's Afghan policy reflected how it views its relationship with India.
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    The entire blame for the mess in Afghanistan lies squarely with the Pakis. They've been doing their darnedest to acquire so called 'strategic depth' within Afghanistan by installing a pliable government there to dance to their tunes.

    No insurgency can last unless there is foreign support, in this case Pak which is providing safe havens, arms and training to the Taliban and the Haqqani network since the past decade and a half. They've been responsible for the deaths of over 2500 soldiers of the ISAF in Afghanistan.

    There are more than 42 extremist/terrorist groups within Pakistan under the Difa-e-Pakistan Council (DPC) which are actively supported by the ISI for their nefarious designs. These include the LeT, JuD, HM, JeM etc.

    The question is can the Paki Army/ISI dismantle these organisations which have become a hydra headed monster, without a backlash?
     
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    Deep state in US is pro-Pakistan. Don't know how much effect the Trump government could have on long term US foreign policy.
     
  5. Butter Chicken

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    Pakistan is finished.It will not celebrate next 14th August.India and US will jointly take out its nuclear facilities and expose its incompetent Army to their awaam and then break it into smaller parts as should have been done in 1971.Pakistan will see urban warfare and civil war just like we have seen in Syria in recent times
     
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    Too much hot air, speak something practical
     
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    It is not hot air,i have been following events regarding Pakistan for quite some time and after fall of Nawaz Sharif,dissolution of Pakistan is imminent and will be done before 14th August 2018.Balochistan will be freed and will be a US/India puppet state,Durand line dissolved and new Pashtunistan formed which will be final Afghan solution.
    All the world powers know this,China was only roadblock and that too has been resolved after Dolam issue.
    Nawaz Sharif will be first PM of Punjabistan.
     
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  8. square

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    US always carry two policies...

    one that they show...
    second that they execute....

    and they keep shifting between both...
     
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    Bhumihar Jako Rakhe Saiyan Mar Sake Na Koi Senior Member

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    How much do you wanna bet on it
     
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    Pashtuns r radicalized in islam. It needs time and propaganda to make pasthun nationalism.We need to create leaders like batcha khan to revive pashtun nationalism
     
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    Surprising, that Osama was found ALIVE near the pak military complex before US went trigger happy on him.
    Mistrust...ITS NO TRUST!!!


    The real question is what can the shit poor pakis who cant even afford a begging bowl now do in building AFGHANISTAN?
    pak can only provide jobs for Afghanis in terror factories of pakistan to be future jehadis and blow up all over the world.

    paki companies dont have the money , resource, or the expertise to build things, as most of the companies run by terrorists are engaged in laundering money to BLOW UP Things than building things.

    If pakis has some expertise in any thing related to nation building, pak would be a different prosperous nation altogether!!

    china is already doing their share of contracts in Afghanistan.
    Russia is also doing a part in providing arms and weapons to Afghan Govt. tho some more deals are getting worked out.

    Well!!! what pakistan can do realistically with its resources is to STOP Promoting terror..and the whole world is asking pakistan to do JUST THAT!!

    if pakis think that using a BAND of terrorists to negotiate peace as its CONTRIBUTION to afghan nation building is a case thats BLOWN OPEN in the UN and international arena and the whole world is moving forward on how to gang bang the paki teror band spectaculary.

    This should actually be a wakeup call to paki administration and army who will go jobless in a few months time.





    US is trying to use stick and NO carrot this time on pakistan.
    Many media reports say that , such a hard stance pushes pakistan closer to china and other alliance.
    BUT
    pakistan cannot shake off USA just like that. USA is too deep inside pakistan and pakistan stand to lose a lot more starting from its tactical pukes.
     
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    US does not trust Pakistan anymore at the same time can not abandon Pakistan fully ... It seems that Carrot & Stick policy will continue for some more time...
     
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    Looks like China has squeezed US out of Pakistani camp . Not Much of a loss for USA.
    With friends like Pakistan you don't need enemies.


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    Pakistan has eaten up most of the carrot! Now there's just the stick left. And that's gonna hurt the Pakis real bad!
     
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    We have been listening to many experts on both sides of the discussion and who is going to come on top time will tell for many of us except me. I rely on my meditative intuitions only by asking a question on the subject and I see part of India - Ex Pakistan is open between Indian Punjab and Rajasthan sometime in 2018. Does it mean the end of Pakistan is here? Only time will tell.
     
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    its A WAR-NING FOR PAKISTAN ..

    THEN USA COMPLETELY .. may target pakistan for what did in past..
     
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    Don't believe this s*hit quickly. The masters of deceptions can create illusions but might be sleeping in bed as they did for decades.
    Past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior. Believe only when weapon supplies , free money stops and the most allied , non Nato alliy status is truly scrapped. Until then, its talk and talk is cheap.
     
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    Report: Saudis may purchase Pakistani atomic bomb
    US, UK said to warily eye prospect of a Mideast nuclear arms race amid growing fear of Iranian nukes among Gulf states

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-saudis-may-purchase-pakistani-atomic-bomb/


    (a seller is not only a seller but able to demonstrate and use its product on the customers desired areas of use - hence the sale ... and a sale demonstrates logistics that can be repeated in such areas that is a message loud and clear even in theory)
     
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    the Saudis are just chasing in on their investment
     
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    Responsibility of that lies squarely on American shoulders. Pakis never even pretended to go after Afghan Taliban and Haqqani group. For nearly a decade Pakis kept handing AQ number 3,4,5s to US but never Taliban.

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    thats fine but please see from the seller point of view. a certain operating system is on your computer ... how about your neighbors and others around. you having it alone tells others around that it can be done. why would buyer have a operating system.
     

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