US nuclear warship bears down on defiant Iran

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  1. Yusuf

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    WASHINGTON: A defiant Iran and a prickly US-Israel alliance moved further down the slippery slope to a shooting match on Wednesday as Washington sent a second aircraft carrier into the Strait of Hormuz even as Tehran announced key nuclear technology advances and threatened cuts in oil supplies to six EU nations.

    In acts of mutual provocation, the nuclear-powered USS Abraham Lincoln sailed within sniffing distance of Iran, going through the Straits of Hormuz,that is only 21 nautical miles wide at its narrowest point, inviting an Iranian patrol boat to tail it within two miles.

    Iran also responded by upping the nuclear ante, defiantly showcasing advances in nuclear technology in the face of US-Israel led sanctions regime aimed at curtailing its possible development of nuclear weapons.

    Iran had earlier threatened to shut down the Straits of Hormuz, through which 20% of the world's oil supply passes (not to speak of US supplies to the Af-Pak theatre), if it was attacked.

    Teheran was reported to have cut oil supplies to six European nations, including the PIGS countries (Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain) which are in an economic crisis, in an effort to get ahead of European sanctions that is expected to kick in soon.

    All these moves followed violent and mostly covert confrontation between the US-Israel alliance and Iran. There have been mysterious assassinations of Iranian nuclear scientists which Teheran thinks is the handiwork of the US-Israel alliance.

    Now, Israeli diplomats and assets have been attacked in three capitals across the world, including New Delhi, which Israel believes is the handiwork of Iranian agents.

    New Delhi is stuck between Iran, vital to India's energy security, and a hard place (US and Israel) that is key to its military and technological well-being. The duo is putting tremendous pressure on New Delhi to forsake Iranian oil.

    But like China, India remains unmoved, causing much handwringing in Washington.

    In fact, even loyal US allies like Japan and South Korea are reluctant to follow the US-Israel diktat, causing some pundits to pronounce the sanctions a failure. Each of the four countries imports about 10% of their oil supplies from Iran.

    In US, polls show there is little appetite for another war even though a section of the neoconservative establishment is itching for a shootout to punish Iran.

    Having shut down US military operations in Iraq, president Obama is also winding down from Afghanistan ahead of the November elections, and some pundits seen the Iranians pushing the envelope knowing the US president's political constraints.

    The Times of India on Mobile
     
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    Looks like nailing Osama hasn't helped Obama. Now he needs to threaten Iran to save his seat. Is the US seriously thinking of getting into another war? This is going to be very expensive, I'm afraid. Even if the US wins, this might as well turn out to be a Pyrrhic Victory.
     
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    Posturing from both sides. Iran has taken lessons from NoKo. Blow hit blow cold. Thy have already sent feelers to EU for negotiations.
     
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    War! War! War! An all-out war with Iran is already under way or set to be under way:

    Economic war: The US is set to further tighten the screw on Iran with denial of SWIFT. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia is stepping in the oil supply vacuum created by denial of Iran sourcing.

    Cyber war: STUXNET and other virus unleashed against Iran. It could be a matter of time before a punishing cyber attack is waged against critical military facilities (this would be the prelude to actual shooting war).

    Covert war: 1. Assassinations and sabotage of crucial facilities; 2. Regime change against Assad.

    Conventional war: USN, USAF, US Army, NATO, Arab States, Israel are all gearing up for war in and around Iran (Israel may actually be the first to pull the trigger).


    I will be watching the whole event from the comfort of my home... :popcorn:
     
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    The difference between NOKOR and Iran? Israel... the wild card.
     
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    There is a HUGE difference between North Korea and Iran

    1. North Korea just wants to be left alone ALL they care is about their Supreme commander or Supreme leader
    whatever

    2. Iran talks of DEATH to America and WIPING Israel of the map

    3. China is like a SURETY for North Korean behaviour
    North Korea is totally dependent on China and South Korea and Japan are important trading partners
    of China

    So China will not allow North Korean Sabre rattling

    4 Iran wants to DISPLACE Saudi Arabia and become the defacto leader of OIC
    And the only way to do is to take on the West
    North Korea has no such ambitions
     
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    you left off one very important point - oil, oil, oil....Iran is far wealthier than NK
     
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    With oil.... But without international market...?
     
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    india, China and many others are more than willing.
     
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    Don't bet too much on China. They already met with the Saudis...
     
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    You have something else coming if you trust the Chinese on this. Its the best time to buy Iranian oil!!
     
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    Although I must admit Indian oil firms are reaping the most out of Iranian oil bargains...
     
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    Indian foreign policy really sucks. They should be right now sending a high level delegation to Iran headed by the foreign minister to discuss the matter and take a lead role in this as someone who is backing Iran against any sanctions but someone who is also against its nuke weapons program. Ask the US and the rest to back off a bit and give us space to move.

    A successful brokerage here will increase Indias prestige no end.
     
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    malayasia will declare war on us on behalf of usa if we did that. asienobserve will lead the invasion force!
     
  16. pankaj nema

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    This dispute about Iranian N programme is quite old atleast 5 years old

    And Iran HAS diplomatic relations with Europeans who have been involved from day one in somehow
    CONVINCING the Iranians to forget this N weapon dream

    The Europeans have ONLY recently tightened their positions and stepped up with the sanctions

    We were never in the picture it is none of our business anyway
     
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    Like what Lula of Brazil did years ago. But like Lula India will only buy Iran time to develop their nuke weapons. Iran has no genuine interest in bargaining their nuclear ambition.
     
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    I think the situation right now can be put as, either:

    1. Back Iran for small tactical gains now(for oil).... (OR)

    2. Back the west for long term strategic interests(preventing the rise of another nuclear state).....
     
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