US mulling sale of armed drones to allies (India)

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  1. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Washington: US is planning to sell its battle-proved armed drones to key allies, including India, but the move is being opposed by lawmakers who don’t want the technology to be exported.

    “The Pentagon wants more North Atlantic Treaty Organization members to have such pilotless aircraft to ease the burden on the US in Afghanistan and in future conflicts like the alliance’s air campaign in Libya this year,” Obama Administration officials were quoted by The Wall Street Journal (WSJ) as saying.

    It is believed that India would be one of the potential target countries for the US to sell its drones. India has been purchasing drones from Israel for quite some time now, and has been developing its drone capabilities, but does not have armed drones like the Predators and Reapers used by US security agencies with devastating effect against Al Qaeda and Taliban targets in Pakistan.

    “The Pentagon’s proposed sales have set off a behind-the-scenes debate between the administration and some members of Congress over whether the US should speed the spread of a technology that will allow other countries to carry out military strikes by remote control,” the report said.

    Drones have been highly successful in the war against terrorism in Afghanistan and Pakistan and also in countries like Yemen and Somalia. However, some lawmakers are resisting to such a move from the Administration. ”There are some military technologies that I believe should not be shared with other countries, regardless of how close our partnership,” said Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein.

    “The United States should be trying to control the proliferation of certain weapons, and I would put armed UAVs (unmanned aerial vehicle) in that category,” she told the daily.

    According to WSJ, a proposal to provide Italy with weapons systems and arms for up to six unarmed Reaper drones it already owns has been presented informally to key lawmakers but has yet to be submitted to Congress for review.

    The six-drone package was estimated to cost as much as $393 million. Pentagon also wants to sell two armed drones to Turkey and four surveillance drones, the daily said, but noted that this deal is unlikely to go further if the Italy deal is not
    approved by the lawmakers.

    US is the only nation to have armed drones deployed worldwide, with Israel a pioneer in the technology close to developing hunter-killer variant. Tel Aviv has also produced long-endurance fleet of drones that can stay afloat for nearly
    a day and fly as far as the Persian Gulf, the paper said.

    US lawmakers are not averse to sharing the advanced technology with allies, but are concerned that know-how should not get into the hands of countries like Iran and China.

    WSJ said China has been making efforts to develop UAVs since mid-1990s and its earlier versions were built by reverse-engineering and a Northrop drone obtained from Vietnam in the late 60s.

    The paper said the US allies want to use the drones to hunt down suspected terrorists, much as the US does in hotspots around the world.

    http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/us-mulling-sale-of-armed-drones-to-allies-156976.html
     
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    I'd love to see these drones fly into PoK and take out the militant hideouts. They have way too many training camps out there. In addition to news from Pak-Afghan border, I'd like the newspapers to be filled with news of drone attacks from the Indian side. I doubt if Pakistan can match that. Constant drone attacks would make a point to the Pakistanis.

    Some may suggest that this could cause an escalation. I say, no, it will not. Pakistan will no go beyond it's usual protestations.

    Hypothetically, consider this:
    India launches a drone attack inside PoK, Pakistan blames India, India declares that it was done by non-state actors and then the day after says "We're sorry, we were joking yesterday. It was us who did it and we can assure you that we will do it again!"

    Should be really funny.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    It would do well to bolster India's border watch and also go for the terrorist within insurgent areas.
     
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    even if India buys such pilotless magnificent machines then also where it will be used. India wont go into war so soon and when ever it makes its mind to fight, it can buy such planes from usa then only. no need to keep a stock and then retire them after few joint exercises. its better to buy then even at higher price.
     
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    buying from uncle is big screw up, they have all sorts of prohibition, what you can and cannot use, inspections , including geo- fence, as in the case of latest f16 with PAF, so we should avoid then and get the same from israel.
     
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    Whatever we do will be visible to Uncle Sam I am sure, these units will be guided by their GPS.
     
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    The americans always keep mulling about everything and when it comes to the public they will say that they did not offer us what the media has been telling. This happened in the case of F-35, the media reported that US was offering F-35 and the pentagon said that they did not offer F-35 to INDIA.
     
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    if you have strong body then no one try to show eyes to you , but you are weak then dog will byte you

    world is only for strong , natural rule lion will only rule the world
     
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    Someone wake me when the sale actually happens.
     
  11. Killswitch

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    The Pakistanis would shoot our drones down.

    If we want to kill terrorists and taje out the camps were going to have to make a bigger commitment, like artillery shelling and airstrikes.

    Mind you, I was thinking it would be excellent if India could attack one of the terrorist rallies in Pakistan and kill Hafiz Saeed for what he did in Mumbai.
     
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    UCAV has its use beyond terrorists.
     
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    I heard that army plans to weaponize its heron UAV so that it is some what a UCAV. Any updates on that news?
     
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    nice quote but in the end practicality and theoretical assumptions are two different things. the leadership is so weak to take action against even a small group of fugitive leave aside enemy nation, even after having some big army, navy and airforce in the world
     
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    Any updates on this?
     
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    I'd say wait until after 2014. As long as we have troops in Afghanistan, the US and Pakistan are gonna have to smile through gnashed teeth and pretend to be friends. Once we're out, you'll probably see a lot more willingness to cooperate with India, especially since the pakies have already made it clear that they're China's boy now.
     
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    Don't really trust US much... 40% increase in aid to Pak recently announced... US is indirectly sponsoring global terrorism.

     
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    This is just speculation, even if its true it'll take a lot of time to get the deal signed. delivery will take more time. In that span of time we can develop Rustom-II UCAV.
    The 1st flight of which is scheduled for Feb'14.
    Anyway I don't think we are that much concerned abt acquiring UCAV capability in short duration.
    Also Israeli drones seem the leader in case of UCAVs, but those probably have some US assistance.
     
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    Beware anti aircraft missiles:tsk:
     
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    trust me even if the american give us what ever they got we will not use it our babus never had the balls to make decisions even entire armed forces ready to do what ever they are ordered to do
     
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    Obama To Sell Armed Drones To More Countries

    What the New Rules Mean for US Drone Makers

    For years, U.S. defense firms have felt that their international competitors have had a leg up when it comes to selling drones to foreign militaries. Even if an ally had wanted to buy a U.S.-made drone, bureaucratic red tape and other restrictions have slowed or prevented sales.

    This loosening of export rules benefits General Atomics, maker of the Predator and Reaper drones, said Roman Schweizer, an aerospace and defense policy analyst with Guggenheim Securities, in a note to investors.

    More international sales would also benefit companies that make intelligence and satellite communications equipment for drones, Schweizer said. An uptick in armed drone sales could also benefit Lockheed Martin, which makes the Hellfire missile, the primary weapon on the Reaper.

    U.S. allies have been thirsty for U.S. drones, particularly the Predator, Reaper and Global Hawk. Earlier this month, the State Department approved a $340 million sale of four Reapers to the Netherlands. By comparison, two-dozen countries fly the F-16, and the Reaper drone can carry about the same number of weapons as a manned F-16.

    “While the new UAV export policy will not, itself, fix the drone pilot gap or other issues particular to U.S. development and deployment of drones, building the capacity of close allies and partners with UAV exports is a functional and helpful way to encourage more interoperability and, over time, potentially help share the burden,” said Horowitz.

    “Until now, the U.S. has made it harder for even close allies and partners to buy drones than to buy F-35s or some types of precision-guided munitions. Yet, this did very little to stop the proliferation of drones around the world - it just ensured that the U.S. would have less influence over how countries actually use their drones.”
     

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