US lawmakers strongly oppose weapon sales to ‘snitch’ Pakistan

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  1. Kshatriya87

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    Will US Congress Stonewall F-16 Sale to Pakistan?

    The article goes on to cite statements by Congressmen Ted Poe and Dan Rohrabacher as evidence for the anti-Pakistan sentiment prevalent among U.S. lawmakers.

    “I don’t know how an F-16, with all of its hardware on there for combat can be used for humanitarian aid. If they were buying C-130s … I could see those being used for humanitarian aid. But F-16! It’s not really humanitarian aid,” Poe said. Rohrabacher noted that “[t]hose F-16s and the military equipment that we are providing Pakistan are being used against their own people, just like they did against the people over there in Bangladesh.”

    Both lawmakers are members of the generally Pakistan-friendly Republican Party. However, U.S. lawmakers’ principal concern is that in reality the F-16s will not be used to battle militants within Pakistan but rather be deployed to deter India.

    “We remain deeply concerned that Pakistan has failed to take meaningful action against key Islamist terrorist groups operating within its territory,” the committee’s chairman noted in a letter sent to the U.S. State Department in March.
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    The Pakistan Air Force (PAF) currently operates around 70 F-16s. As I explained in October 2015:

    Forty F-16 fighters were first introduced to Pakistan’s Air Force (PAF) in the 1980s. However, due to the 1985 Pressler Amendment, the United States cancelled the sale of an additional 28 F-16s in 1990 and imposed sanctions on Pakistan because of its burgeoning nuclear weapons program.

    In 2006, a contract was signed between the United States and Pakistan over the purchase of 18 new F-16C/D block 50/52 aircraft with an option for another 18 more. The first three F-16C/Ds were delivered in June 2010 with the rest inducted into the PAF by the end of 2012. That same year, the United States delivered 14 used F-16s to the PAF.

    In April 2015, the U.S. State Department approved Islamabad’s request for the sale of military hardware that includes attack helicopters, missiles, and communications equipment at an estimated cost of $952 million, which is also still subject to congressional approval

    http://thediplomat.com/2016/01/will-us-congress-stonewall-f-16-sale-to-pakistan/
     
  4. Nuvneet Kundu

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    It's all drama by USA. If you notice carefully, with every deal, the REAL decision-making bodies press on with the deals while the 'lawmakers' keep shedding crocodile tears to keep Indian population under the blanket of 'shared values' between India and US. The F16 sale hasn't been vetoed by lawmakers, only delayed by requesting more information. They're doing the good-cop-bad-cop routine with India.
     
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    Its in the news media that terrorists used US Weapons and support systems In Pathankot.... India has asked US help in clarifying the source of these seized stuffs.

    Well!!! Kinda puts the US Stand on "Values" in a tight spot...It could be a way to say that..whatever US gives to pak is getting into the hands of terrorists who are used against India.


    Pathankot attack: Binoculars used by JeM terrorists had US markings

    A report published in 'The Times of India' says that possession of US made binoculars with the Pakistan-based terrorists indicate that either the Jaish-e-Mohammad (JeM) militants stole the equipments from US bases in Afghanistan or it was taken from Pakistan Army.

    The premier terror investigating agency is expected to approach the US and ask for details regarding the binoculars.


    http://zeenews.india.com/news/india...y-jem-terrorists-had-us-markings_1845727.html
     
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    How do we know that is the case? why are we outright ruling out the possibility that the US might have deliberately handed it to Pakistani terrorists after training them? If the US can pump billions and billions of dollars worth of weapons to an assortment of terror organisations all over the world, why are we so shy about pointing fingers at the US? Are we not aware that the US and ISI are in cohorts to impede India's growth?

    This issue of US weapons (GPS set) being used against India came up even after the Gurdaspur attack. We shouldn't give a long rope to the US whenever their involvement is found. I don't care how it ended up with the terrorists, if US equipment is being used against India it should be considered as an offence against India. How is it that a 'stolen' GPS set is being used and the US isn't aware of it? I can understand if it were a helmet or a shoe which has no tracking device, but a GPS device is a tracking device in itself and the moment it is switched on, it registers its location on the satellite. So if this GPS was really stolen from a US soldier and taken from Pakistan's western border to its eastern border and into India, why didn't the US military intelligence trace it to locate the terrorists who stole it? would the US sit quietly if they found 'made in India' explosives killing American soldiers in Afghanistan? Even we could play the game of 'opss, they were stolen'.

    Are we so stupid to believe that terrorists used the device to train with it, attack another nation and it didn't show up as a red flag on US systems for so many days that it was allegedly 'stolen'? We need to impose costs on the US for their low intensity war against India. As simple as that.
     
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    It wont be the "SHY" part..but its lack of solid evidence to relate the terrorist + the US issued device + pak. GoI and its intel agencies are probing the right channels to get this evidence..like invoice or any other details associated with it material, logistic or other things from US.

    Its kinda like directly pointing finger at USA but in a more mellowed down way with whatever relevant information we have at hand. When we point fingers blindly..we will be looked down upon like pakis who blame RAW for everything which happens inside pak.

    Stolen military hardware being sold-off on eBay | Crime

    It is to be understood that US or its ploy will employ such washing off hands tactics from responsibility. pakistan has used this before in the "shooting down" chinese drone drama at LoC...claiming it was brought online.


    I agree...
    India has to be very careful...now that the BRICS block is moving away from petrodollars.. US will be very tactical and crafted in arming terrorists against India to create political unrest and force GoI to reset the equations. pakistan who is a natural enemy will be the opted camouflage . These days the attacks are focused on Indian Military establishments.. This is making stakes too high for administration..
     
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    Exactly what I am recommending. Let the administration have a mellowed down, diplomatic stance, but what stops us normal Indians on internet forums from saying so? We shouldn't refrain from pointing fingers because we don't face the constraints that the government faces. We can be curt.
     

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