US, Israel at odds over Iran

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  1. Yusuf

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    WASHINGTON: President Barack Obama and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu are deeply at odds over how fast the clock is ticking toward possible military action against Iran's nuclear program, and their talks on Monday are unlikely to change that.

    Even though Obama has offered assurances of stiffened US resolve against Iran before the White House meeting, the two allies are still far apart on explicit nuclear "red lines" that Tehran must not be allowed to cross, and they have yet to agree on a time frame for when military action may be necessary.

    Obama wants Israel to hold off on attacking Iran's nuclear sites, insisting there is still time for sanctions and diplomacy to work. But he also vowed in a speech on Sunday to the largest US pro-Israel lobby that he would be ready to act militarily - with all "elements of American power" - to prevent the Islamic republic from building an atomic bomb.

    Israeli leaders, who see Iran's nuclear advances as a looming existential threat and reserve the right to act alone in self-defense, have made clear they are operating on a far shorter, more urgent timeline.

    Their most immediate concern is that Iran be prevented from reaching nuclear weapons capability, not just from developing an actual device, and they worry that time is running out for an effective Israeli attack as Tehran buries its nuclear facilities deeper underground.

    While Obama and Netanyahu - who have had a strained relationship - will share intelligence information on Monday, a source close to the administration said there was little reason to believe they would make significant progress toward bridging key differences on a common threshold for military action.

    "They'll be looking for mutual understandings and may find a few, but the biggest problem is they're working on different clocks," the source said.



    Obama's meeting with Netanyahu comes amid US fears that Israel might opt to strike Iran on its own if it is not convinced of Washington's determination to do whatever is needed to rein in Tehran's nuclear ambitions. Iran remains defiant but says it wants nuclear technology strictly for peaceful purposes.

    The geopolitical drama is being played out in the midst of a US presidential campaign, with Republican presidential contenders accusing the Democratic president of being too tough on Israel and not tough enough with Iran.

    Israel comes to Monday's talks with a firm belief that Iran has decided to seek to develop nuclear weaponry and is gathering the necessary components before attempting a "breakout."

    Israeli officials maintain that once Iran moves forward, it could enrich uranium to weapons grade and have a rudimentary nuclear device within months, though constructing a deployable warhead would take longer, perhaps until mid-decade.

    US officials do not believe the situation is that close to the brink. They say that while Iran may be maneuvering to keep its options open there is no clear intelligence that the country has made a final decision to pursue a nuclear weapon.

    Both sides agree that it is impossible to know the full extent of Iranian intentions. American spy agencies are wary about drawing any categorical conclusions after an embarrassing intelligence lapse that led to erroneous accusations of Iraqi nuclear arms work, which the Bush administration used to help justify the 2003 US-led invasion that toppled Saddam Hussein.

    Still, Obama - in an Atlantic magazine interview published on Friday - insisted that Iran "is not yet in a position to obtain a nuclear weapon without us having a pretty long lead time in which we will know that they are making that attempt."

    And Obama warned in Washington on Sunday against "loose talk" of war with Iran, saying such "bluster" was counterproductive because it has been driving up global oil prices and boosting demand for Iran's oil exports.

    That may have been a message to Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders, whose have engaged in a strident exchange of recriminations with Iranian officials in recent months.

    Daniel Levy, an analyst at the New America Foundation think tank, said Obama had "offered clarity and commitments on mainstream Israeli concerns without capitulating to the Netanyahu narrative, which is far more dismissive of diplomacy."

    Speaking in Ottawa, the right-wing Israeli leader ignored Obama's appeal to let sanctions run their course and focused on the president's insistence on keeping the military option open and backing Israel's right to defend itself.

    It was unclear whether Obama's sharpened rhetoric against Iran and calls for restraint by Israel would be enough to delay any Israeli military plans against Tehran, which has called for the destruction of the Jewish state.

    Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak has warned that Iran is approaching a "zone of immunity," when Tehran is able to shield its nuclear facilities from Israeli air strikes. The United States, however, would still likely have the firepower for a more sustained air assault to destroy the sites.

    Obama took a significant step forward in Israel's eyes when, in the Atlantic interview, he ruled out accepting, then acting to "contain," a nuclear-armed Iran.

    While US officials insist that Obama will not publicly lay down any new red lines for Iran during Netanyahu's visit, they do not rule out the possibility that the president might try to mollify some Israeli concerns in private.

    "They're going to sit down and they're going to talk through the tactics involved," Obama re-election campaign strategist David Axelrod told the ABC "This Week" television program.

    Still, US officials doubt that Netanyahu will provide Obama with any guarantee that Israel will consult Washington - its biggest source of military assistance - before launching any strikes on Iran.

    Even if Obama assures Netanyahu that the United States has the firepower to deliver a devastating blow to Iran's nuclear program further down the line, the Israelis have made clear they cannot rely on that commitment alone.

    One line of thinking within the Obama administration is that keeping it in the dark about any Israeli military plans might be best for the United States since any sign of complicity would inflame anti-American sentiment in the Muslim world.

    Dennis Ross, Obama's former Middle East adviser, suggested, however, that the "noise" from Israel over a possible strike was geared more toward pressuring the international community for tightened sanctions than foreshadowing an imminent attack.

    "Now that it's an issue of the world against Iran, Israel likes it that way and would not be inclined to act precipitously," Ross said last week.

    But others who know Netanyahu well say he is approaching the Iranian challenge with a sense of historic responsibility to ensure Israel's survival, what some have called the "Holocaust factor."

    He has made clear that Israel, believed to be the Middle East's only nuclear weapons power, will do what it takes to prevent Iran from getting the bomb.

    The Times of India on Mobile
     
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    This is a sin that they are planning to commit together. Many countries in the world have weapons capabilities without the weapon itself. Germany, Japan not to mention the untruthful state of Israel. If the Israelis attack Iran and the US is dragged into the mess, the whole of middle east will be set on fire. There is no way on earth major players like Russia and China who have vested interests in Iran will stand down and watch it happen. Obviously, no one is as war hungry as America is, however, when countries are pushed to their limits of tolerance, unexpected things suddenly become the expected reactions.
    The Islamic world in general have always been anti-American. One can rest assured that once this attack on Iran happens, there won't be one Islamic country on earth on side of America no matter what the differences between the factions are. A common enemy has always united people in history, it does at present, and it will in the future.
    "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it" -Santayana
     
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    you were too timid and wanted to play by the book and got crazed Islamist Pakistan with nuclear blackmail policy
    we learned from our mistake in ww2 no crazy people that want to destroy us should have the means to do so
    we already succeeded twice
    you simply lack the balls to do what is necessary for survival
    your moral standard wont save your family if Pakistan attacks nor will it save my family if the mullah presses the button
    save your outrage for the useless UN talk shop in the real world its meaningless
     
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    right, lets take military action or nuke iran and see if that solves anything..

    you guys are the one without any balls here. somebody is developing fire crackers and that make you sh#t your pants. lol. India is living under the N. threat for many decades now. we can whip-out pakistanis any day we want. will that solve anything? NO. lets find a way to leave in peace instead of talking about balls.
     
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    we have no intention to us wmd against Iran
    we will destroy their nuclear program by conventional means or force USA hand to do it
    because of your failed leadership you face constant stream of Islamic militancy without the ability to stem it at the source
    you may not care for the life of fellow Indians i very much care for my fellow Israelis
     
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    Everybody say that they don't have intention to use WMD on anyone. If Nukes are for protection when it comes to Israel then how come other countries be denied right to own nuke weapon in ME ?

    Shouldn't the nuclear disarming start simultaneously in Iran and Israel?
     
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    can't you guys do your own little dirty job to protect your fellow "Israelis" without using USA as a shield? why you guys lack courage to go and launch attack by yourself. you guys have world's best technology out there and yet you guys wants to hide behind uncle sam? iran's is going to have nuclear weapons anyway. no matter what.

    :pound: :pound: :laugh:
     
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    in a perfect world yes
    in the real world no
    we never threaten other country with destruction
    we never support terrorists in foreign lands
    just like you we never accepted npt
    as long as people shut death to Israel in Arab capitals we will not disarm
    taking into consideration the radicalization of Islamic country's we will never disarm

    you may claim it to be unfair
    we are not here to play mother tereza but to protect the 15 million strong Jewish people
    feed up with 2000 years of persecution and exile
     
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    So lets just say that this is about maintaining a bigger stick and not about peaceful ME (which is otherwise portrayed & glorified everywhere) and I agree with you.
     
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    the only reason we have a relatively peaceful ME
    is because Israel the most democratic and reasonable country in the ME wields the biggest stick

    the world needs us the spice must flow
     
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    That is a one sided view PL. The region is not peaceful for the ones being dominated & forced into regime change serving interests of people outside country. But yes it pretty much peaceful for Israelies with their bigger sticks and x-band radars operated by US.
     
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    some history :
    from 1956 - 1973 Egypt was on a power trip Suez crisis , Yemen civil war intervention (including the use off chemical weapons) , the six day war
    and October war after witch Egypt became permanently bankrupt till this day
    from 1973 -2003 Iraq tried to replace Egypt : the acquisition off the Osiris nuclear facility and its subsequent destruction by the iaf
    the Iran invasion and then the Kuwait invasion to pay for the Iran invasion
    turkey and ksa share similar history no wonder the Americans only trust us
    every time some ME country feels confident they go n some irrational killing spree most often against other Muslims or their own minoretis
    it may be one sided but it is also undeniably true
     
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    You have a complex which makes you think you are always on the 'right' side of history. If the majority of Israelis also suffer from this complex then you really are pitiable creatures.

    Even in a perfect world, Israel is nothing compared to the Big 5 and also India. You are a tiny country with small, aggressive and violent population. There are countries whom you look down upon who can squash you like a bug in a conventional warfare and that includes Iran.

    Ofcourse you do, you hypocrites. Iran is a burning example. Not to mention the 'State of Palestine'.

    Huh, looks like Israelis forget faster than Guy Pearce from Memento. Assasinating terrorists with Israeli terrorists from Mossad and IDF, stop lying for a change. Your Prime Minister Netanyahu is a liar as Sarkozy confessed to Obama. It is hardly a surprise that his subjects will also be liars.

    Only cause Uncle Sam was kind to you, if it gave as much pressure as was given to India, you would have signed that NPT faster than you can say N-P-T.

    "shout".. you are not required to disarm, your enemies will disarm you themselves and don't you dare think that Uncle Sam can protect you from all of them, kid.

    Citing your radical views and intention neither will Iran.

    Don't worry, your suffering will be coming to an end soon.
     
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    i smell but hurt Islamic radical/ commie you are jealous of our success
    too bad for you we aren't going anywhere
    FYI:
    the state of Palestine doesn't exist never existed in the past and if history is any indicator will not exist in the future :taunt::taunt::taunt:
     
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    These fools are just trying to create a fear that they are going to attack IRAN, nevertheless they have been doing this for a long period and just saying we are going to attack, we are going to attack and when it comes to delivering they don't do anything. The fools are implied to ISRAEL and the U.S. If they will not attack then why to make such a huge gimmick that they are going to attack? Ha, fed up with these liars........
     

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