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US intel warns of Taliban in Kashmir | The Asian Age
Good happy that US is sharing Info with us still after lot of yellow jounralism from India media
The Taliban is a big zero without Pakistani military support. The Pakistan military would be near zero without US aid. So wtf are there blithering idiots ranting about?
I was Heard the Maoists or Naxals are Ready to fight against Talibans If they breached our Borders
Taliban is in Kashmir? Is that supposed to be a revelation?
Is a Taliban with an AK-47 any more lethal than a Hijbul-Mujahideen with an AK-47? Are we supposed to feel scared? Heck, even the Maoists are more dangerous than the Taliban.
Trying to show themselves as India-friendly, aren't they?
Exactly, Kashmir's Hijbul-Mujahideens are more trained than Taliban, Taliban is a poorly trained Militia. While Kashmiri insurgents are trained by Pakistan army. We dont need to be worried.
It is just a step by US cool down Devyani issue.
US Media also practices Yellow Journalism not only Indian media, all though Indian media has valid points.
The issue is not with the training or capabilities of the Taliban fighters, it is their number and tactics and the resources they can bring to the fight.
An average HeJ, LeT, HuM militant/militant group will engage the Indian army from 100m or more, while an afgani Taliban will try to come as close as 30m before engaging the troops. That's one aspect.
The second one is that they move in large groups, all the way up to battalion strength, and while that makes it easier to spot and track, also makes it far more difficult to trap and eliminate. To add to this problem is the fact that the IA COIN units don't have any HMG mounted on vehicle. It has been well demonstrated that high caliber machine guns are extremely useful in scattering and pinning down large groups. That's the second aspect.
The third aspect is that the Taliban has had an extensive knowledge of dodging drones and surveillance systems. Our electronic surveillance will be tested to the limit and beyond.
And the final aspect is that the to counter larger number of Taliban, the IA and the CRPF will need to beef up their numbers, a sore point in the valley.
I was under impression that, Talibanis are fighting against PA ! Have they settled their matters with PA ?
That was the scenario in early 1990's. When Avg. Kashmiri's who had crossed over had only basic training in combat arms before coming back. Same for Pakjabis. Now LeT, Hizb people are extensively trained and operate along with SoF guys in BAT.
Also, if you aren't suggesting that Talibunnis will be raised with Kashmiri youth, then the battalion strength has to cross over the LoC which raises the detection chances and makes assimilation difficult.
They cannot lay-low for days, because of ration and logistical issues.
Also, the battalion strength Taliban will be dealt with conventional force.
But, on other counts, you are quite correct that our systems will be tested to the extreme.
If, it ever comes to that state, our security guys will prove as they have in the past that Talibans are not invincible and especially when operating in our backyard.
Numerous incidents over the past 70 years have demonstrated that SoF do not perform any appreciably better than regular infantry when tasked with normal roles. We have seen this in Siachin where the superior SSG were handed their ass back to them by regular jawans of the IA several times or in 1965 when the airborne raid on IAF base was crushed by base defence units.
In a CI operation the SoF trained insurgent is invariably faced with a far superior force in terms of men and equipment, and even though on the odd occasions he maybe able to inflict higher casualties, it is far more likely he will be killed just as easily as a normal jawan.
Note that this would be different in case of a special operation mission. here the teams trained for SoF will perform far better than a regular unit.
I have never suggested that the Taliban will be raised with Local support in Kashmir, but that is beside the point. whether they actually manage to cross over the border/LOC is also beside the point. The fact that such a large group will engage the IA will cause higher casualties for the IA, enough to raise the morale of the militants on our side of the fence.
Experiences show that in a gun battle with two conventional infantry squads at under 100m, the one with higher rate of fire and higher overall fire invariably wins. This was first identified in WW2 and then in Vietnam. Accuracy was found to be a secondary consideration in determining the winner, which I should add, was found to be weird by everyone in the research teams. But as the probabilities showed, the indications were indeed right.
So, unless the IA changes the equations and brings in heavy weapons an close air support, they will suffer quite a bit if they take on the Taliban or any large group in an infantry only operation. And especially so against a force that stands and fights.
Please do understand that I haven't stated that the Taliban will win in any engagements, That again is unlikely. What however the statistics and probabilities tell us is that in a large engagement between two similar equipped forces, whoever the winner, both suffer much higher than in case of an unequal engagement.
The IA must change its tactics and accept the usage of HMGs (.50 cals, 12.7mm AA), 40mm Bofors cannons, 20mm miniguns etc as an integral element of the COIN teams. The overpressure on the enemy forces caused by usage of large caliber rounds is very efficient in pinning them down and securing fire dominance, a necessary condition to win at a reduced cost.
Then the fact that against massed forces, helicopter gunships and especially rockets are extremely efficient precision killers must be used to advantage. The faster the fire dominance is attained, the lesser is the probability that the enemy will be able to inflict a large casualty on own forces.
Create a perimeter/encircle with HMG/Miniguns/RCL, Saturate the area within the perimeter with air-burst fragmentation/thermobaric mortar, attack caves with 40mm modified AA guns. Keep "Rudra" in standby for SHTF situations.
Here the US intel is talking about TTP which doesn't make any sense from anywhere . These would be Pakistan Army trained mercenaries , so its nothing new going to happen .
Correct, that is a good example of overlapping fire from multiple assets being used to dominate the battlefield. And just as yours, there could be different combinations of different equipment, right from a Automatic grenade launcher right up to MRBL to Close air support, but the objective remains the same, to establish fire dominance over the enemy.
Btw, for caves, normal explosives or kinetic penetrators do not usually work. The best way here is to target the most limited necessity required for life in caves, Air. Sustained use of fuel-air mixture bombs at regular intervals will do the trick.
a conventional thrust by taliban milita's against IA will be punitively dealth with by the far superior trained and armed battalions of IA.these terrorist can at most increse the hit and run attacks and ied attacks on security forces.
Not true as far as I know.
The Taliban and LeT are trained by the same people - retired Paki army and SSG. And numerous incidents speak of LeT shooting from close range. Other than the fact that NATO and USA have diarrhea when they hear the name Taliban, I do not expet there to be one iota of difference between Taliban and LeT. We have had "battle hardened" Pakis attacking us for decades. We will deal with the Taliban no matter what some idiotic American think tank farts.
anoop, have some self respect as well as love for the country. Every country engages in yellow journalism (whatever that is).
These will not be Afghan Taliban nor TTP but Pakistan backed mercenaries and Militias .
and its possible that one or two attacks would take place inside Kashmir by so called Taliban which would be mainly to spoil India-Afghanistan Relations and already the hand of ISI was also seen in the bombing of India offices in Afghanistan which were blamed on Taliban . India companies has got mining rights in Afghanistan and karzai Government is holding talks with Taliban on this .
This is a BS report. Taliban don't have Pakistan Army patronage, which is needed to help them infiltrate into India.
Intel is correct but it would be not Taliban or TTP but Pakistan trained mercenaries .
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