US infantry units in Afghanistan get the Carl-Gustav RCL

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  1. Kunal Biswas

    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    [h=2]US infantry units in A-stan gets the Carl-Gustav RCL[/h]

    US army inf units in Afghanistan is being equipped with the Carl-Gustav recoilless rifle. It's notable that the weapon was fielded in the Swedish army in 1948. That's 63 years ago and the design is virtually unchanged. Only more modern materials is used to reduce the weight.



    At last they have realised the need for portable RCL...
    US army use M67 90mm Recoiless Rifles in Afghanistan, and even some M40 106mm have seen use.
     
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    Carl Gustav Rocket Launcher is one of the finest weapon and IA has been using it for long.

    It can launch a variety of rounds for different type of targets.
     
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    Good weapon for mountain warfare but i believe in Indian scenario kargil type war we should complement it with the Schmel Thermobaric weapon in bunker buster role.

    what you say kunal?
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    It was used but more frequent were shipons as they were cheaper compare to Schmel ..
     
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    its once more evident that age is not a matter as far as a good weapon is considered.M67 fielded by us forces are of heavy weight approx 17 kg.Its nice that they switched to much lighter carl gustavs.
     
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    Can there be a comparison between Shipon and Carls Gustav ?
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Shipon is single shot light weighted RL comes in HE & HEAT only..

    Carl Gustav is Medium weighted Multi-shot RL with variety of Ammo..
     
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    Does Carl Gustav have an ammo with proximity fuse?
     
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    Meaning you have to throw out a Shipon launcher once it's been used ? Isn't that a waste needing to carry both the ammo and the launcher ?
     
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    utubekhiladi The Preacher Elite Member

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    kunal do we have anything similar?
     
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    yes IA use it and Kunal has been one of the most vocal proponents of this weapons it seems the video showing US forces with Carl Gustav changes perception of many DFI members.
     
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    Hope this is usefull

    It would be interesting to know what rounds the IA uses.
     
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    Kunal Biswas Member of the Year 2011 Moderator

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    Carl Gustav MK2/3 weight 11kgs and 8kgs or less and its been in Indian Army for generations since 80s.. :)

    Yes, We do..

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    Yes, But at high altitudes weight matters alot, Shipons are active in PARA SF and Other SF within India and Israeli Forces..

    Thanks JBH22, Their is no Man portable RCL capable of doing so much as Carl Gustav..
     
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    KUNAL are u sure it is single shot?coz its written that it is reusable one..and can has a firing rate of 3 to 4 rounds per minute..
    http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=117
     
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    kunal how about deploying rpg7s coz they are lighter than any reusable rocket launchers..even though not accurate over 150 mts its rugged and cold be used in jungle & urban warfare to knockoff guerillas
     
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    RPG 7 is a excellent RL within 100m, More than that it have accuracy issues, RPG-7 optical sights are very complex, though in good hand it is a fearsome weaponry, It regular and widely use ammo is PG-7 types which are 85 mm Heat round, Very effective agaisnt Light & Medium Armour Vehicles, But not so Infantry ..

    Indian Army use MGL for such ranges and its effective against Infantry & Light Vehicles, And from Long range CG 84mm, For destroying Enemy fortification accurately CG 84mm can do the job with a single Round where as RPG-7 need multiple rounds..


    In Kargil Indian army use CG 84mm from long range to destroy Enemy bunkers where enemy rifles cannot engage the CG`s gunners, It was a cheaper solution than using Milans..
     
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    i was not saying about long range but for short range in naxal scenarios in dense jungle and urban areas where you couldnt see beyond much and why shipons are selected if its too heavy and single shot?we could have do the same with LAWs if needed lightweight
     
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    MGL 40mm does better than RPG-7 against infantry in close ranges..

    Shipon is chosen coz during 1998-2000, IMI was delivering all kinds of good stuff..

    May be in future IA go for AT4..
     
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    Sir, sorry for the niave question, but what exactly is the CG 84mm and the MGL ?
     

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