US envoy skips meeting separatists in J-K; praises Omar

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  1. KS

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    US envoy skips meeting separatists in J-K; praises Omar​



    Srinagar : In a virtual snub to separatists in Jammu and Kashmir, US Ambassador to India Timothy J Roemer today said he met only Chief Minister Omar Abdullah during his two-day visit to the state as he was the elected representative of the people

    "The purpose of the visit is that he (Chief Minister) is elected leader. The Chief Minister is the person who represents the people here in Jammu and Kashmir," he told reporters when asked about his not meeting separatists.

    He said he had a productive and engaging meeting with the Chief Minister but said that he was in the state for only two days and did not have time to meet too many people.

    "You are limited in time and I cannot meet everybody as I was here for only two days," he said and left no one in doubt that US sees Jammu and Kashmir as part of India like any other state.

    Political observers see the decision of US ambassador to not interact with the separatists as a major snub to the separatist outfits in the valley.

    Separatists leaders including Hurriyat Conference were unwilling for comments immediately.

    Roemer said he wanted to meet the people of the state and learn more about the people of Jammu and Kashmir as he has been doing in rest of India. "I wanted to meet the people as I have been doing all over India, the students who are the future leaders at a school like this," he said.

    Roemer visited the Srinagar branch of Delhi Public School at Athwajan, in the outskirts of the city, and was all praise for the activities undertaken by the school management.

    He took out time to interact with the students in the playfield and even tried his hands at basket ball.

    The US ambassador said during his ride in the Dal Lake yesterday, he was able to interact with the people in the area and see some of the challenges they face on environmental issues.

    "Knowing that India and the US are working closely on environment and education issues, these are two issues that President (Barack) Obama and Prime Minister (Manmohan) Singh have outlined as part of our strategic cooperation.

    "There are ways to, hopefully in the future, anticipate what we might be doing in education and environment and all other different areas," he added.

    Roemer brushed aside a question on action being taken by the US on the issue of Major (retd) Avatar Singh, an accused in the murder case of a human rights activists in Kashmir nearly 20 years ago, and said he will not react to individual cases.

    "The US stands firmly and strongly on human rights issues. We are working universally to promote human rights issues," he said.
     
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  3. debasree

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    Its a good start from the part of us but are they serious or they are playing to the galary for winning multi billion dollars contract in defence or nuclear sector its remain to be seen.
     
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    Or is that APHC refused to meet second ranking official who is Ambassador to other country.Protocol wise PM of country dont meet the 2nd ranking official they meet their equivalent in state department.
     
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    Either way, its good for India. APHC must stop meeting anybody lower in rank that country-head.
     
  6. Ray

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    I am amused that one should feel that the APHC has the gumption to refuse to meet an American, low, high or middle ranking.

    Raymond Davis has shown that even the lowest of American don't care a damn since money thrown is enough for all champions of Islam to forget about the religion and their country and instead pick the money up, feather their pockets and claim that Sharia did the trick, as it happened in Pakistan!
     
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    So true sir...after all indians have gumption to talk about raymond davis even when warren anderson, peter bleach,5 Latvian crew were being let off by GOI under usa,uk and russian pressure respectively....Less we talk about the Quotrochi the better.
     
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    It is not what India does.

    It is about those who crank in religion into the mundane and think that religion alone is the acme of human existence.

    Even verbal crutches, become Inshaallah!

    Look at the fraud that has been stated - that the Kashmir agitation has nothing to do with Islam and in the next breath bring Islam in!!

    Deceitful to say it most politely.

    Total misuse of religion and bringing down from the reverence religion should demand wherein the religion is not made commonplace and taken into context at the drop of a hat in vain.

    Ideally, we can discuss this in the thread on Raymond Davis.
     
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    Ya something like shouting "Jai Shri Ram" bringing down mosque and then claiming we are secular onleeeeee
     
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    I think we are deviating.

    Please open a thread and we can discuss it.

    Jai Shree Ram and breaking of the mosque did not have the concurrence of the population or the Govt. Had it such a concurrence, none would have been allowed to raise it and still keep it current. That is secularism and you will not understand it since you at times fly the flag of an Islamic Republic.

    Release of Raymond Davis was sanctioned by the Govt and in conformity with the Sharia. The chargesheet was conveniently made so that this provision could be used. The Pakistani newspaper News indicates the shameful manner where the Punjab Govt under Sharif jr along with Kiyani connived to put pressure on the victims family to forgive and accept Blood Money.

    The foreign nations may have put pressure on India along history, but then their CIA agents and others could not plot against India or go on a junket killing Indians. That is the difference.

    The second difference is that religion does not impinge on the daily workings of governance or on the Law.

    The third is that the Muslims have their own Personal Law Board and adjudicate on civil issue concerning Muslim. In Pakistan, everyone is subject to Sharia, the majority's religious Law. which is against their own personal beliefs!

    Now, go and open a thread without being unduly provocative and also do refrain from the irrelevant.
     
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    Not exactly mate. Timothy J Roemer does visit many parts of India.

    Other country?
    Btw, these APHC scums get paid by scums from across the border and they would not want to meet Timothy J Roemer? They live on US dole, chanelled to them by the PA & the ISI. First chance, and they would opt to be US citizens, even if they have to sell their dead.

    Snubbed by US is what happened here. There's no way US would want to upset a strategically important and economically rising partner in Asia, which suits most of their interests.
     
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    OK chaps and girls,

    Take this to another thread.
     
  13. Bangalorean

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    OMFG - one more "Bhopal-Raymond equal-equal" :frown: Am I destined to spend the rest of the night fighting this notion in various defence forums all over the internet? :hitwall:
     
  14. venkat

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    wait till MMRCA tender opening.!!!! You can see Dr.Jakyl and hyde!!!!
     
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    What kind of twisted rubbish is that?

    The APHC is not recognized as the legitimate government of any part by any one country. Nor is it the 'elected' representative of the people.

    For your information, Tim Roemer is not just any 'other' senator. He has single-handedly spearheaded many initiatives: including the African Growth and Opportunity Act, the Caribbean Basin Initiative and the No Child Left Behind Act. So, in terms of social-welfare, he's a notch above the rest. He has also never been known to be afraid to deviate from the party line, despite the party-whip being cracked. So his non-conformism is a non-issue.

    After the 9/11 attacks, Roemer used his position on the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence to launch an inquiry into the causes of the violence in the Islamic world, with a very sympathetic and tolerant view as to their grudges. Perhaps indicating a more leftist bent of mind than his Democrat counterparts. So, if you want a Congressman, that'll turn a willing ear to your "plight" in any country in any part of the world, he's the right guy to go for.

    The very fact that he's not met separatists is indicative of the following two things: i) posturing for the MMRCA deal, nuclear deals and the general trend in dyssynchronous multilateral relations; ii) a long-term re-calibration of those relations: indicative by a permanent split with the APHC and a recognition of Indian sovereignty over Kashmir and India's bilateral prerogative over the issue. None of which are new to the U.S. ploy and both of which have factored in Timothy Romer as the right candidate for the job.

    This was a statement by Roemer on Oct. 20, 2010:

    "We duly note that this (Kashmir) is an indigenous and internal issue to India and when India decides to take this issue on they will do it in a bilateral sense with Pakistan, at the appropriate scope, level and pace they want to engage in,"

    If you analyze his previous statements, you will find that this has been going on for a while now.

    In the same statement, he acknowledged that the U.S. deeply regretted "the loss of lives, injuries damage to property and the difficulties that have taken place over the last summer in Kashmir". The very fact that he failed to allude to those excesses by Indian troops, this time, is indicative of a very, very stark climbdown in position.
     
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    ajtr, you can talk a lot of shit. You can criticize India all you want, tear it to bits.

    But, don't you dare talk about India and Kashmir being separate pieces. That is against the forum rules, stated explicitly in previous judgments and on the forum itself and punishable under Indian law as an act of sedition.
     
  17. Bangalorean

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    Now, is ajtr Pakistani or Indian? I haven't understood that yet :confused:
     
  18. Rage

    Rage DFI TEAM Stars and Ambassadors

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    Doesn't matter. Even if he's not Indian, he's still on an Indian forum and abides by the rules.

    But, that's all I'll say as a regular member. The rest is for the mods to decide. And decide well, they will.
     
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    Yeah, and also something like saying Pakistan is a secular nation to world media, and systematically supporting the radicals hell bent on wiping out all the minorities, like the incidents we just saw with the assassination of the ministers and the age old problems of radicals in the frontier areas playing havoc with the lives of Hindus and Sikhs ! Some crap you are.
     
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    Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!First ask the GOI to clear the status of J& K both internationally and domestically instead of fooling indians for past 63 years.Why blame me for explicitly when GOI is itself is confused about J&K.And this explicitly is been carried on since 1947.
     
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    Do you want to listen to all those crap u people did on the roads of Gujarat to delhi to Orissa to the killing of Staines and his sons,kiling former Congress MP Iqbal Ehsan Jaffri and you 've gumption to point finger.Miyan pahle apne ghireban main jhanko.
     

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