US City Tense After Police Shoot Dead Mexican

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  1. cobra commando

    cobra commando Tharki regiment Veteran Member Senior Member

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    LOS ANGELES: A US city was on edge today amid protests and condemnation -- including from Mexico's president -- over the fatal police shooting of a homeless Mexican immigrant who was throwing rocks at officers. The incident on Tuesday in Pasco, Washington state comes in the wake of a series of white police shootings of non-white unarmed victims that triggered demonstrations across the United States late last year. "We don't want another Ferguson here in Pasco," said coroner Dan Blasdel, cited by The Seattle Times, referring to the St. Louis suburb rocked by protests after the killing of African American teen Michael Brown last year. Police in Pasco, some 350 kilometres southeast of Seattle, have called for calm. Amateur video of the shooting shows three police officers taking aim at the 35-year old Antonio Zambrano-Montes, who was throwing rocks at them, before they chased him across a road. Police said they had tried to subdue him with a Taser gun but Zambrano-Montes continued to attack them. In the video, the victim appears to raise his hands while running away a few seconds before he is shot dead. On Wednesday, the government of Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto expressed its "deep condemnation" and on Friday Pena Nieto added: "I reiterate Mexico's condemnation of the disproportionate use of lethal force." The Mexican president said he had instructed his foreign minister to provide support to Zambrano- Montes' family and to "rigorously follow the investigation of this so terrible, so shocking event." Blasdel, the Franklin County coroner, said he is considering convening a rare inquest jury to look into the shooting, according to The Seattle Times.


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    Peter Senior Member Senior Member

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    If you throw rocks at the police they are bound to hit you back. One thing to note is that many Mexicans are part of drug cartels. A normal person would not start throwing rocks at the cops unless he is trying to escape a crime scene.

    On the other hand he may have been mentally unchallenged. If that is the case then it is really sad as the cops should have shown restraint.
     
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    sorcerer Senior Member Senior Member

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    Yes, There is a point.
    But the cops can also shoot to disable a person still alive.
     
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    maomao Veteran Hunter of Maleecha Senior Member

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    I think it's high time Monkey Obama controls - racism, religious bigotry and narrow mindedness in his shameless country! :D
     
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    Yes that could have been a better approach taken up by the cops but in such situations it is not always possible to shoot non lethal shots into the target. Anyway I would wait for the investigations to throw up more details.
     
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    Are you mentally "unchallenged"? People do not escape crime scenes by standing throwing rocks at the police


    He was most likely mentally ill and dud not deserve to be killed.
     
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    There are cases of Hispanic people joining gangs and cartels. By majority I meant that a lot of drug cartels in California are run by Mexicans/Colombians. I have never visited/lived in USA so I do not know for sure. You may be right. However a number of famous drug lords were Mexicans or Colombians, one of them being the infamous Pablo Escabar.

    Pablo Escobar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Drug cartel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Mexican Drug War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also I did mention the possibility of the man being mentally impaired. I think we should wait for more reports to come out.
     
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    W.G.Ewald Defence Professionals/ DFI member of 2 Defence Professionals

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    Expect the race pimps to appear on the scene in every such case.

    If you want to really get educated about police work, including racial aspects, read Blue Blood by Edward Conlon. He was educated at Harvard before joining the NYPD.
     
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    You changed your post.

    Anyway he was not standing there throwing rocks. I hope you are not mentally challenged as you do not seem to read the full news and go on speaking.

    MEXICO CITY: Mexico denounces police killing of unarmed migrant worker in U.S. | National | SanLuisObispo

     
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    [video=youtube_share;y-0uqFTBclo]http://youtu.be/y-0uqFTBclo[/video]
     
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    @Otm Shank2 Read this from RT.com
    @sorcerer @cobra commando

    ​Man shot dead by police in Washington State after throwing rocks (VIDEO) — RT USA

     
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    yeah whatever be the case.. if the cops has other options to restrain a subject...they should try it.
    Shoot to injure...is one thing.
    Being trigger happy and shooting to kill is another.

    The protest is against shooting to kill.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    Seems like it's a cold blooded murder by US Cops.

    Can we have a thread where we can see these type of attacks where US cops are regularly using inappropriate and excessive use of lethal power on NON-WHITES?
     
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    @rock127 sir

    Everyone knows US police is the most trigger happy police dept out there but how would they stop a drug addict man who is out there to take their guns . As for non lethal measures the police should have used TASER guns. It is the US police after all.
    Taser - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    EDIT: Mexicans are considered white people by US govt. They got this status after American Mexican war.


    Here is a link

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_profiling

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_American

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    All colored countries are white as per US definition.
     
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    @Peter saar: i'm just a keyboard warrior, i'm not pointing fingers at anyone. But the question in this case is about:

    (On Wednesday the government of Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto expressed its "deep condemnation" and on Friday Pena Nieto added: "I reiterate Mexico's condemnation of the disproportionate use of lethal force." The Mexican president said he had instructed his foreign minister to provide support to Zambrano- Montes' family and to "rigorously follow the investigation of this so terrible, so shocking event." Blasdel, the Franklin County coroner, said he is considering convening a rare inquest jury to look into the shooting.)

    Our 57 year old Indian grandpa got face slammed/takedown and now left partially paralysed lying in hospital bed because he was "moving" too much for the alabama police! now this mexican guy is dead. I mean is it really necessary to shoot and kill a guy just because he's throwing rocks at you ?
     
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    @cobra commando sir

    I fully support the Indian grandfather.

    However I cannot support a repeated felon who is a crazy drug addict. The guy was throwing rocks and had injured two policemen.

    Also I am not saying that he should be killed. In fact I think non lethal forces should be always used by policemen.
     
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    Subforum "Americas" covers the Western Hemisphere, from Canada to Peru. How many countries is that? Posts about other countries usually relate to military subjects.

    But "Americas" has long been a catch-all for the stories you refer to, with the theme "US is racist police state."

    Such posts bring a shit-storm of outrage from brown crybabies that never ends. It is tedious and I have to wonder how they fit into the mission statement of DFI.

    And you really want all those posts combined in one thread? Who benefits? It will just be a lot of work for moderators.

    Aren't there other anti-American forums where you can hang out and get your fill of that stuff? Try Huffington Post, Daily Kos or Democratic Underground.
     
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    rock127 Maulana Rockullah Senior Member

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    To some extent I have to agree with you regarding the crimes and the ethnicity relation specially in US.

    I have seen lot of programs on crimes in US for so many years and now I sometime see ID(Investigation Discovery) which is all about crimes.

    For example regular series on most hardened criminals living in jails where there are groups like Southern Mexicans/Blacks/Whites etc etc. A large # of criminals are Mexicans/Blacks and involved in all kind of heinous crimes like rape/mutilation/pedophilia/drugs/murders etc.The in-fighting between groups and attacks on cops is not new.

    Sometime these criminals get parole but again start doing criminal activities and it's like they would never behave normal.US has one of the most jailed population and even then the crime rate is so high.Perhaps one reason is that 70% of the people own guns and you can't take it back.Seems like in this case the Cops thought of enough is enough(based on his criminal history) and pulled the trigger.

    Now interesting thing is that the recent case of Indian grandfather from Gujrat was mistaken as a "Skinny Black Guy" so this tells how easily US cops draw conclusion.

    PS: I know Taser very well but any idea if all US cops have it?
     
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    @W.G.Ewald

    Does this fit into your racist profile?
     
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    I was wondering how our cops in here handle such cases.

    We see clashes between students and cops.(Courtsey DYFI, SFI, KSU..student unions).. where stones are lavishly used as projectile against cops. But..none of em is shot or killed.Cops do make arrests and there are injuires and collateral damage well..part and parcel of student protests..
    I think the same happens with most Asian countries..on Police engagements. Cops cant resort to firing as an immiediate reaction.


    What I see as the problem with cops in USA is
    Cops are given firearms and when situation happens they dont opt for alternate options but quick take downs.
     
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