US, China heading towards Cold War?

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  1. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    China, US to begin new arms race

    China intends to significantly increase its missile potential. According to the influential Jane's Defence Weekly, China has successfully test-fired the Dongfeng-41 (DF-41) intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) capable of reaching any spot on US territory. Beijing denied the information, but admitted that it is developing a new-generation ICB capable of destroying targets all across the world.

    Beijing seems to start placing its stake on an alternative cooperation with the United States, China's main economic partner. It's clear the two countries' trade and economic ties will dominate for years to come. At the same time, instability in various parts of the world and the US' ever-increasing ambitions prompt China to consider taking a spate of the military containment-related steps.

    On Thursday, Washington signaled its readiness to deploy elements of the US missile shield in Asia and the Far East, something that is almost certain to prod China to further expand its regional clout by notably beefing up its military might. Alexander Larin is expert of the Moscow-based Far East Institute.

    "It is only natural that China continues to strengthen its army's defense capabilities," Larin says.

    "We, however, should take into consideration the unfolding competition between China and the US over a spate of areas in Eastern Asia, a zone of China's vital interests. Beijing is trying to oust the US from these areas and undermine its influence there, something that spreads to a military sphere and makes China start an arms race."

    According to the Jane's Defense Weekly, the DF-41 was test-launched from the Wuzhai Missile Test Center in the central Chinese province of Shanxi a month ago.

    Washington Free Baconalso reported the launch, referring to the US intelligence sources which said, in particular, that the DF-41 has a range of up to 15,000 kilometers and is equipped with 10 nuclear warheads. The Pentagon has already dubbed the DF-41 a "first-strike weapon", designed to cover the entire US territory.

    Russian defense experts have, meanwhile, expressed surprise about the turmoil surrounding the DF-41 given that many countries knew about this ICBM missile before. They were echoed by Moscow-based military expert Viktor Baranets.

    "China began to develop the Dongfeng, or Eastern Wind, ICBMs back in the 1980s, and there are several modifications of these missiles, including the DF-41, which has already been put on service," Baranets says. "China is just test-firing the DF-41's missile carrier, something that has been tracked by the US Missile and Space Intelligence Center," he concludes.

    Right now, China has 70 ICBMs and 410 warheads, an arsenal that, of course, yields to that of the US. Sources in the secret services claimed that the missiles that are currently on service in China are capable of reaching just separate regions of the US Pacific Coast, as well as India and part of Russian territory.

    If the DF-41's technical characteristics are confirmed, this will drastically change the situation.

    Beijing has repeatedly expressed frustration about Washington's plans to beef up its military presence in Asia and the Far East. Earlier this year, the Pentagon signaled readiness to deploy its missile interceptors on the territories of Australia, South Korea and Japan, a move that the Pentagon attributed to a threat emanating from North Korea.

    In February 2012, Russian and foreign experts predicted that Washington's attempts to deploy the US interceptors near the Chinese border are all but sure to infuriate Beijing. Their forecasts came true in August which saw the publication of the facts that neither China nor the US wanted to reveal.
     
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    blank_quest Senior Member Senior Member

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    Re: China, US to begin new arms race

    am seeing another USSR in making ! :lol:
     
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    New Cold War may break out between US, China, warns daily

    New Cold War may break out between US, China, warns daily

    Beijing: The Cold War mentality hasn't disappeared, a state-run Chinese daily said on Friday, and warned of real worries that a new Cold War may break out between China and the US.

    An editorial in the Global Times on Friday said the Cold War era is long over, but the 'Cold War mentality hasn't disappeared'.

    The US and Soviet camps confronted each other militarily, ideologically and economically during the Cold War, but with its end, the political foundations for the confrontation disappeared. 'But the competition between countries didn't end with it. While Cold War memories still linger, there are real worries that a new cold war may break out between China and the US,' warned the daily.

    It added that many countries feel the urge to strengthen their efforts to secure national interests in a changing global strategic grid. 'Mistrust is expanding among major powers and in many regions.'

    The editorial accused the US of having the greediest pursuit of security. 'It often guards against other countries in an aggressive way, including adopting policies of containment. This is the real reason that post-Cold War global politics haven't settled down strategically,' it said.

    Though later the editorial said the history of the Cold War may not be repeated between China and the US, it was quick to add that tensions or confrontation may not be completely avoided between Beijing and Washington.

    The daily wrote about a theory that 'if China and the US see each other as enemies, they may become so. This kind of thinking adds to China's strategic dilemma'. 'China has to stay alert. This is the bottom line of securing its safety. This should also be the bottom line as Chinese society judges and assesses the world security situation. It will only jeopardise itself if it unilaterally abandons this principle,' it said.

    It went on to say that China's guarding against the West is defensive, to protect its rights of peaceful development. 'This is a minimum level of vigilance. If the West cannot even accept this and intensifies containment against China, the consequences have to be shared by both sides, or the entire world. Mistrust between countries remains stubborn. China has to stick to realistic thinking and restrained behaviour.'

    http://news.in.msn.com/internationa...eak-out-between-us-china-warns-daily-1#page=2
     
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    Re: New Cold War may break out between US, China, warns daily

    China has just reverse engineered the USSR make of Arsenals and thinking itself a world leader in Defense Production. :pound:
     
  6. LETHALFORCE

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    Chinese did not learn from history -how US brought down the Soviet empire which had more
    than 10,000 nuclear warheads and a blue water navy. China will be a cake walk with their 30 ICBM's and
    Brown water navy.
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    China does not have that kind of ideological base and international support for that idelogy to indulge into cold war with USA. It would be Democracy Vs Chinese Totalitarianism. China supported by North Korea, Pakistan and Iran Vs Americans backed by the rest of the world.

    Chinese are either dreaming or paranoid !
     
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    it has nothing to do with nuke, everything to do with economy.
     
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    But it appears both are transgressing into Arms Race now, particularly, in the field of missiles.
     
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    roma NRI in Europe Senior Member

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    EXACTLY !

    the usa should concentrate more on the economic war and surround dragon economically - in addition to what it (usa) is doing to surround dragon militarily - the Competition is as much economic as it is military

    also soft power - soft "weaponry" ; cultural , social - should be employed far more than is a the moment
    - it seems usa has almost totally ignored that angle ?
     
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    Could you tell us what China should learn from history? U.S. is deploying missile defense system to encircle China and we should be just be cool?

    ---- "It is only natural that China continues to strengthen its army's defense capabilities," Larin says.

     
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    You have 2 trillion in US toxic debt this is even worst than nukes.
     
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    This is how the race starts between number one and number two. This arms race has also
    spilled over into a diplomatic enemity, with China opposing US on many diplomatic issues
    Iran,Syria etc..
     
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    By purchasing 2 trillion US bonds, China made it clear we wouldnt' intend to have a cold war with US.

    Both Chinese and Americans are pragmatic. Americans wish to dominate the world, whereas Chinese wishes to make money in a world policed by Americans. A cold war may cost America's crown and Chinese money, both will avoid such scenario. Especially China will do everything to stop that from happening because China is in a disavantage position, even if it means we have to bribe Amerian by buying their debt.

    Only India fantasizes about a war between China and US, because only in that scenario, India has the chance to be the good puppy of America.
     
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    Then why the paranoia about US encircling China? US views China as a bigger threat than
    Russia because China is a economic and a military threat where Russia was just a military threat.
     
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    Balance in power is always needed. What U.S. is doing is just trying to protect the American way of life. How about other people's way of life? Do they care?

    I am not worried about an arm race between China and U.S. It is fine to constantly improve military technology that will benefit civilians eventually as long as the budget is reasonable and comparable to the size of Chinese economy.

     
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    what India will do GOD only knows because this country is run by GOD (pun intended)..not any U.S or China :pound:
     
  18. Armand2REP

    Armand2REP CHINI EXPERT Veteran Member

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    China has never launched a missile far enough to hit France much less any corner of the world. Given they can launch things into space, it is not unlikely that they can.
     
  19. Bhadra

    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    so you think that USA and China are the only two countries that exist in the world and all others will be enslaved by the Chinese ?

    What about the economic and military dynamics of others like Russia and India surrounding China ?
     
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    Bhadra Defence Professionals Defence Professionals Senior Member

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    If Chinese wish to cover entire US, France would have been covered.
     
  21. Impluseblade

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    I have full respect for your country and am sorry that I didn't mention your country's name. I was responding to

    " Quote Originally Posted by
    This is how the race starts between number one and number two. This arms race has also
    spilled over into a diplomatic enemity, with China opposing US on many diplomatic issues
    Iran,Syria etc.."

    Here is my edited response:

    Balance in power is always needed. What U.S. is doing is just trying to protect the American way of life. How about other people's way of life, like Indians'? Do they care?

     

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