US, China consider naval pact.

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  1. A.V.

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    Hong Kong: The US commander in the Pacific said China and the United States have started work on an agreement designed to avoid an accidental confrontation at sea, according to a report here Thursday.

    Admiral Timothy Keating, asked about a potential accord with China similar to a Cold War agreement between Washington and Moscow, told reporters in Hong Kong there were "nascent initiatives" already underway to "address that very issue."

    "We want them (China) to understand there are rules of the road, both literal and figurative," Keating said, according to the South China Morning Post.

    "It is very much in their interest to observe and operate by those rules," he added in his comments Wednesday.

    He was speaking ahead of Hillary Clinton's first visit to China, beginning Friday, as the new US secretary of state.

    Closer cooperation between the two countries on issues such as regional security is expected to play a key part in Clinton's discussions.

    Keating reiterated Washington's long-held concerns that China is not sufficiently open about its military build-up, the Post said.

    "There are areas where China is developing where their stated intentions don't appear to us to align... with the developments we see," he said.

    "Transparency involves insight -- we want not just to see, but to understand, the weapons they are developing," he added, according to the Post.

    The newspaper report said Keating mentioned China's submarine capabilities, cyberwarfare and space programmes as areas of concern.

    As a sign of increased dialogue, China and the United States announced they would resume an on-again, off-again military dialogue in Beijing shortly after Clinton leaves.

    US, China consider naval pact: report : Naval Forces : Defense News Air Force Army Navy News
     
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  3. LETHALFORCE

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    This will be viewed by the commie red chinese as weakness on the american part a really stupid clinton move.
     
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    agree with you sir.
     
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    i view this as an ok signal for a taiwan attack and chinese will view it the same, why make a pact with your adversary a really stupid move.
     
  6. ahmedsid

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    The USA really does not want any kind of conflict, even one of a Limited nature. Thats why its going in for this treaty. Remember the Americans fight the War, the way they want, at the time they desire and the Place they choose. So it might not be a weakness, just another trick up Uncle Sams sleeve!
     
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    What will happen if China invades Taiwan?
     
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    China wont Invade Taiwan, especially now. Now is the most peaceful of time because of the Recession. No country is willing to fight a war, how much big an Army they have. Well maybe the Taliban and other Extremists are the ones having the field day and the only ones wanting to fight. A Conventional warfare will ruin the Chinese economy, especially with the USA. Chinese intelligence should never be underestimated. Remember them, they are the same guys who were sensible enough not to attack India in 71 as they knew the Soviets would come in the theater. I believe there wont be a War anytime soon, Unless some Countries decide that, a War is the Only answer to the Global Economic Crisis!
     
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    The US is a debtor nation and China is a cash rich nation recession is not the same for both countries, China has a much greater advantage from this point of view and China also holds US debt, so in many ways China has much greater leverage than USA would admit, US is very vulnerable and many NATO allies are starting to pullout of Afghanistan and Iran will end the NPT. US role as a world leader is diminshing and a Chinese successful invasion of Taiwan may make them the new number one and send a message to the rest of the world.
     
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    Well China holds large Dollar reserves/bonds which USA can simply refuse to pay! I mean, China doesnt have much of a leverage. They bought up American Debt. Its in Chinas Interest that the US economy stays afloat! If America Goes Bust, China follows! Without the USA of Today, there would have been no China I Believe.
     
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    you are right.
     
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    Honestly, In all respects, the Chinese Navy will not last much long against a complete American Naval Onslaught. So, this Treaty cannot been seen as one sided. Avoiding a Conflict is the need of the hour.
     
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    US intelligence warns of china-taiwan conflict.

    here you go guys:-


    WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama's top intelligence official suggested Thursday that China's massive military spending will spur continued U.S. arms sales to Taiwan in order to maintain a military balance in the potentially dangerous Taiwan Strait. National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair told lawmakers that China's double-digit annual percentage military spending increases — last year's budget jumped 17.6 percent to about $61 billion — “pose a reater threat to Taiwan.”

    “Unless Taiwan does something about it, then we're really the only other country helping them do it,” Blair said. “That means we're going to have to help them some more in order to maintain a balance.”

    Much of China's military is focused on rival Taiwan, which relies on U.S. weapons and technology to counter the hundreds of missiles China aims at the self-governing island Beijing claims as its own territory.

    U.S. arms sales to Taiwan are a persistent source of U.S.-China tension — Beijing was infuriated by the Bush administration's announcement last year of a US$6.5 billion arms package for Taiwan. The United States is required to provide the island with weapons to defend itself and has hinted it would come to Taiwan's aid if mainland forces invaded. But Washington is also wary of angering China, a major trading partner and fellow U.N. Security Council member.

    Blair, a retired admiral who heads 16 U.S. intelligence agencies, told a Senate panel that the United States must continue to “make sure that military adventures are unattractive” to both sides. He indicated that the U.S. feels responsible for striking a balance in the Strait.

    “Taiwan should not be so defenseless that it feels it has to do everything that China says. On the other hand, China cannot be so overwhelming that it can bully Taiwan,” Blair said, answering congressional questions about the U.S. intelligence agencies' latest assessment of threats to the United States.

    He also cautioned that “Taiwan has to realize that its long-term security lies in some sort of an arrangement with China. It does not lie in military defenses.”

    Taiwan and China split amid civil war in 1949, and Beijing threatens to attack should Taiwan formalize its de facto independence. The United States and China came close to conflict over Taiwan in 1996, when President Bill Clinton deployed warships in response to China lobbing missiles into waters near Taiwan.

    Blair called recent warming ties between China and Taiwan “positive” and “very encouraging.” New Taiwan President Ma Ying-jeou has worked to defuse tensions and expand trade with China.

    But Blair also said in testimony that Chinese “preparations for a possible Taiwan conflict continue to drive the modernization goals of the People's Liberation Army and the Chinese defense-industrial complex.”


    http://www.chinapost.com.tw/china/national-news/2009/02/14/195982/U.S.-official.htm
     
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    US has to worry with the economy gone and China holding US debt, US is in no shape to take on China this is the perfect time for them to take taiwan.
     
  15. ouinon777

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    Recession means peace?

    I agree that mainland China won't invade Taiwan, especially now, but not because of the recession. What happened following the great depression around 1930? U.S. president Roosevelt chose to reform the economy to offset the potencial social crises, while Japan and Germany made another choice, war, to export or transfer the economic crisis, making use of the extreme nationalism. If unemployment rate rises to a extremely high level due to the economic downturn, leading to an uncontrollable social turmoil, don't you think abusement of military power will be more likely to occur?

    Concerning Taiwan, people there are also called Chinese, the official name of Taiwan is the Republic of China, their primary airlines is called China Airlines, they speak standard Chinese and a local dialect. Ordinary Chinese people are not willing to see any war between mainland China and the Chinese island Taiwan, whatever the communist party says.

    China won't invade Taiwan, especially now, because newly elected president of Taiwan and his administration has clearly adopted the policy that suspends political conflicts and tries to make economic and social progresses across the strait. The communist party, actually, expected eagerly for this to happen. For people on either side of the strait, why not accept this offer? So, please don't get surprised or confused to see mainland China and Taiwan get more close than ever, as a result of the recession.

     
  16. ahmedsid

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    You are absolutely correct my friend, I correspond.
     

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