US cannot accept China military power

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  1. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    http://www.spacewar.com/reports/US_cannot_accept_China_military_power_state_media_999.html

    China will eventually have a military powerful enough to compete with the United States, state media said Friday ahead of the visit of US Defence Secretary Robert Gates.

    The claim in a newspaper editorial followed reports that China had completed a prototype of a stealth fighter and after a top US military official said Beijing was stepping up efforts to deploy a "carrier-killer" missile system.

    "Whether the reported new weapons are true or not, in the long run, China will own first-class weapons that are capable of competing with the US war machine," said the Global Times, known for its nationalist tone.

    Gates arrives in China on Sunday to smooth over tense defence relations between the two countries -- one year after Beijing cut military ties with Washington in protest against US arms sales to rival Taiwan.

    "Apparently, the US is not ready to treat China as a major power. They cannot accept the fact that China will sooner or later possess a first-class military," the editorial said.

    "They are too used to the old power structure, in which China and other developing countries have long been treated unfairly."

    In an interview last week with a Japanese newspaper, the head of the US Pacific Command Admiral Robert Willard said China was pushing development of "carrier-killers" and aimed to project its influence beyond its regional waters.

    US military analysts have warned China is developing an anti-ship ballistic missile -- a new version of its Dongfeng 21 missile -- that could pierce the defences of even the most sturdy US naval vessels and has a range far beyond Chinese waters.

    Whereas Gates's Chinese counterpart Liang Guanglie has said that China will push forward with modernisation of its military thanks to a booming economy, the United States is facing major cuts.

    Citing "dire" fiscal pressures, Gates on Thursday proposed deeper cuts than planned in US military programmes, scaling back ground forces for the first time since the 1990s.

    Gates, in a compromise with the White House, said the 78 billion dollars in cuts and other measures would result in a slower pace of growth in defence budgets over the next five years, despite earlier plans to keep spending at a higher rate.

    China has long described its military build-up as "defensive" in nature but top armed forces officials have recently made increasingly strong statements about its quest for a powerful military.
     
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  3. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    what a splendid logic.

    the change of military banlance is not decided by the will of one country,but ultimately by change of the economy balance.
    UK coundn't accept USA's military power either,but it had to accept it.
    Spain coundn't accept UK's military power either,but it had to accept it.
    France couldn't accept German's military power either ,but it had to accept it too.
     
  4. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Number #1 always has to keep an eye on #2 make sure does not get to close for comfort, with chinese delusions of becoming #1 they invited this on themselves. Now USA will do everything to keep China in check.
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    key is never whether USA will do everything to keep CHina in Check,but whether USA can keep China in Check,especially when change of economy balance rapidly favors China.

    In fact, USA has never stopped keeping china in Check,since PRC was founded in 1949.
     
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  6. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    China has not been able to implement 1 china policy so I would say USA has succeeded.
     
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    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    only when USA can overpowered China can such success be on.....

    Once power balance change to a certain extent, such "success" would be collapse just like the collapse of Soviet union and the dominance of US dollar.
     
  8. LETHALFORCE

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    Highly unlikely USA will go the way of the Soviet Union which spent 35% of GDP on defenses, USA is nowhere near that.
     
  9. JustForLaughs

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    the only delusional ones are those that keep claiming Chinese care about being number 1. US position is safe. no Chinese care to be worlds policeman. it is impossible for Chinese psyche to care so much about other countries and be as nosy as the US. sorry. Chinese advancement is for China, no one care about beating US.


    BTW: US does recognize 1 china policy. most of the world does. so that was a horrible point. it isnt even relevant.
     
  10. JayATL

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    Remind South Korea of that the next time you get a chance to speak to any of them :p
     
  11. LETHALFORCE

    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    They recognize one China policy while heavily arming Taiwan and recognizing Taiwan as an independent country.

    http://geography.about.com/cs/countries/a/numbercountries.htm
    Taiwan meets the requirements of independent country or state status. However, due to political reasons, it fails to be recognized by the international community as independent. Nonetheless, it should be considered as independent.
     
  12. JustForLaughs

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    selling arms is one thing, you added the second part in for your own. even though it completely contradicts the sentence before it. i cannot discuss this seriously, its too silly. a country can only have one or the other official stance and US as well as mostly every country in the world recognize 1 china policy.
     
  13. death.by.chocolate

    death.by.chocolate Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    What specifically about the the Chinese economy makes you think you can sustain a 9+% growth year on year?
    While you need a sizable portion of your armed men and women to keep your citizens forcibly 'happy' and the remaining to watch over your increasingly suspicious neighbors like Russia, Japan and India to name a few. What makes you believe China can project sufficient force far enough to achieve your dreams of becoming a superpower?
     
  14. The Messiah

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    usa will have to accept.

    replace china with India in the title of this thread and people would have posted differently.
     
  15. LETHALFORCE

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    It is so silly that China and Taiwan have separate flags.
     
  16. badguy2000

    badguy2000 Respected Member Senior Member

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    CHina's per capital GDP is only 1/10 of USA while Yankees are not wiser than Chinese but are more lazy than Chinese.

    working-hard and the courage to challenge the unknown is the ultimate way to create wealth and upgrade the society.

    When columbus adventured and Yankees' went wild west, the ancestors of west countries were the people working hardest and had more courage to challenge the unknow on the earth..that was why west civiliazion could upgrade fastest and dominate the world at that time.


    But now, west people are just those weak pet birds protected by a golden cage called "welfare sate".
     
  17. JustForLaughs

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    so? every state and province have flags as well. btw, Taiwan is under their own flag during international sports events?

    also, you forget? you claim US succeed because China didnt implement 1 china policy? (which already is a vague useless claim) so what happens now that you realize China did and the US does accept 1 china policy?
     
  18. captonjohn

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    Same logic apply with china too. China don't want to accept India's military power, but it will have to accept it and maintain peace. It should behave gently instead of showing continuous violation of airspace and LAC showing hostile intention.
     
  19. badguy2000

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    the fatal weakness of India is the lack of full industry chains.....

    frankly speaking, China under the rule of Mao could developed nuke subs in 1970s..while India can not even now.
     
  20. captonjohn

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    Man developing any arm depends upon many factor instead of ability. If india had enough funding then it could start its program for SSBN long years before. India still has ability to produce ICBM of the range 8000 km or beyond but many current ICBM's are of old generation and very vulnerable for ABMS. So India develop weapon while maintaining technological superiority in limited budget. It's all about money and will NOT the ability.
     
  21. death.by.chocolate

    death.by.chocolate Defence Professionals Defence Professionals

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    You sound like a fortune cookie.
     
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