US B-52 Bombers Challenge Disputed China Air Zone

[Ray]

US, Japan wrong to blame China for air zone

China's announcement to establish an Air Defense Identification Zone in East China Sea has drawn criticism from the United States and Japan, yet their blame is wrong.

Their logic is simple: they can do it while China can not, which could be described with a Chinese saying, "the magistrates are free to burn down houses while the common people are forbidden even to light lamps."

It is known to all that the United States is among the first to set up an air defense zone in 1950, and later more than 20 countries have followed suit, which Washington has taken for granted.

However, as soon as China started to do it, Washington immediately voiced various "concerns." US Secretary of State John Kerry on Saturday voiced concerns over the zone, fearing it might "constitute an attempt to change the status quo in the East China Sea," and a White House spokesman on Monday called the Chinese announcement over the weekend "unnecessarily inflammatory."

Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe told a parliamentary session that China's setup of the zone was a "profoundly dangerous act that may cause unintended consequences." And both Tokyo and Washington said that they would not respect the Chinese demarcation.

Japan set up such a zone in the 1960s and it even one-sidedly allowed the zone to cover China's Diaoyu Islands. But when China set up the zone covering the Diaoyu Islands, Tokyo immediately announced it "unacceptable" and Abe even called China's move "dangerous." It is totally absurd and unreasonable.

In one word, both Washington and Tokyo are pursuing double standards.

The Diaoyu Islands issue is obviously the core to the issue of the air defense zone. It is known to all that the Japanese side is responsible for worsening the situation and jeopardizing the stability in East Asia at large, and that China is forced to respond to safeguard its territorial integrity.

In their statements, both Washington and Tokyo accused China of undermining the stability of the Asia-Pacific region by so doing, but in fact, it is Washington and Tokyo that pose threat to the peace and stability in the region.

US National Security Advisor Susan Rice recently reiterated that Washington is to send 60 percent of its naval forces to the Pacific region and it is to provide more advanced weapons to its armed forces in the region.

For Japan, Abe has taken a series of worrisome actions, including increasing Japan's military budget for the first time in 11 years, staging more military exercises and even openly announcing the intention to revise Japan's pacifist constitution.

The Diaoyu Islands are an inherent part of the Chinese territory and it is natural for China's East China Sea Air Defense Identification Zone to cover the area.

Therefore, it is Washington and Tokyo who are indulging in the trick of calling white black. It is high time they stopped doing so.

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When the Chinese are caught out and wallow helpless notwithstanding the big talk they have emitted, they the play the aggrieved victim.

This article is just what they are trying to play - the aggrieved victim!

Chri aur Sina jori?!

 

[Illusive]

China lost "Face" in the international community with this incident and can be called a paper tiger, and what a coincidence its a chinese concept Paper tiger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Ray]

zhǐlǎohǔ (纸老虎) = paper tiger!

In a 1956 interview with the American journalist Anna Louise Strong, Mao Zedong used the phrase to describe American imperialism:

" In appearance it is very powerful but in reality it is nothing to be afraid of; it is a paper tiger. Outwardly a tiger, it is made of paper, unable to withstand the wind and the rain. I believe that is nothing but a paper tiger."

(from my archives)

 

[debasree]

China has said it monitored the entire flight of the B52s. Question is did they radio in and ask te pilots to identify themselves? Did the Chinese hand out a threat when the US pilots didn't respond? Whatever, the US has shown who is the boss is in the region

aghh hope u can see it in urs lifetime

 

[sayareakd]

why are you in a hurry to conclude that China wont be able to enforce it?

I not in hurry it was Chinese who in hurry without thinking and without having means to take out any one who will get pass this area has put out this stupid zone.

except Americans, who else dares challenge Chinese newly established ADIZ? dealing with a super power like US requires extreme patience, caution and flexibility. we will give time for Americans to digest the reality.

You guys didnt do anything to Uncle, lets wait and watch. BTW you have already become laughing stock for the world.

If you wish China to have a conflict with America just because they insulted China by flying bombers over Chinese ADIZ right after its establishment, then you will be disappointed.

Na china will only want to bully small nations who dont have means to defend them against the so called superpower China.

China is being squeezed into a very disadvantage situation in the game, by establishing ADIZ, China is simply to get a breath of air. China wont go further and attempt to cut off access of America to this region.

Zone that he cannot enforce

what Americans are doing is
taking advantage of the situation and pushing China to make mistakes. everyone including you want to see China making a mistake, then the growth of China is gonna be stopped.

First china makes a mistake by open declaration of International waters and now when they become laughing stock they are making silly excuses.

you think Americans ignoring chinese ADIZ is a big deal and China should retaliate? come on, they even bombed Chinese embassy and we did nothing about it. what is the big fuss?

That is what i said above China can bully small nations.

for the next many years, we gonna expect more incidents of this kind and China keep on doing nothing about it; at the same time, China is gonna keep on growing despite constant distraction from the outside.
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better grow some balls..................

 

[asianobserve]

The U.S., Japan and other nations also have air defense identification zones in which planes entering their airspace must declare themselves, but there is a key difference here. China declared its intention to challenge planes and demand that they follow instructions in the new zone regardless of whether they intend to enter Chinese airspace or are merely transiting through the area.

Review & Outlook: The B-52s Reply to Beijing - WSJ.com

 

[Compersion]

Air India flies to Tokyo from Delhi non-stop. Whats the flight path ...

 

[Ash]

Enforcing rules in air zone will stretch China's air force and navy


HONG KONG/BEIJING, Nov 27 (Reuters) - China's military could struggle to cope with the demands for intensified surveillance and interception if it tries to enforce the rules in its new air defence zone over islands at the heart of a territorial dispute with Japan.

Regional military analysts and diplomats said China's network of air defence radars, surveillance planes and fighter jets would be stretched by extensive patrols across its Air Defence Identification Zone, roughly two-thirds the size of Britain.

But some noted that even limited action could still spark alarm across a nervous region - and serve China's desire to pressure Japan.

China published the coordinates of its zone in the East China Sea over the weekend and warned it would take "defensive emergency measures" against aircraft that failed to identify themselves properly in the airspace.

It is already being tested.

Two unarmed U.S. B-52 bombers on a training mission flew over the disputed islands on Monday without informing Beijing while Japan's main commercial airlines ignored the rules when their planes passed through the airspace on Wednesday.

China's Defence Ministry said it had monitored the entire progress of the U.S. bombers. The Pentagon said the planes had neither been observed nor contacted by Chinese aircraft.

A Japanese government source said China's military, while growing rapidly after many years of double-digit budget increases, still did not have the radars or fighters to cover a zone of such size across international airspace.

"China will not implement (the zone) fully because they do not have enough assets ... but they will try to scare smaller nations," said the source, who declined to be identified because he was not authorised to speak to the media on the topic.

While China could field an extensive array of surveillance capabilities, including ship-borne radar, there will still be gaps, added Christian Le Miere, an East Asia military specialist at the independent International Institute of Strategic Studies in London.

"It is just not yet clear how they are going to enforce it," he said. "It may be more a rhetorical position to serve a political end."

NOT A NO-FLY ZONE

China's creation of the zone triggered a storm of criticism from Washington and Tokyo, with both countries accusing Beijing of trying to change the status quo in the region.

Some experts have said the move was aimed at chipping away at Tokyo's claim to administrative control over the area, including the tiny uninhabited islands known as the Senkakus in Japan and the Diaoyu in China.

Japan and the United States have their own air defence zones but only require aircraft to file flight plans and identify themselves if those planes intend to pass through national airspace.

Gary Li, a Beijing-based senior analyst with the consulting group IHS Aerospace, Defence and Maritime, said he did not believe China would try to replicate in the air what it had done at sea by keeping a rotating presence of coastguard ships on standby near the islands.

"I think it will be more a case of China flying enough to make a point - it is quite a strain on any force to maintain some kind of 24-hour presence in the air," he said.

"It must be remembered that this is not a no-fly zone - China doesn't have to operate extensive patrols to make its presence felt."

Patrol ships from China and Japan have been shadowing each other near the islets on and off for months, raising fears that a confrontation could develop into a clash.

There have also been several incidents involving military aircraft flying close to each other. In October, Chinese military aircraft flew near Japan three days in a row, and Japan scrambled fighter jets each time in response.

While China had significantly improved the quality and number of surveillance aircraft operated by its navy and air force over the last decade, Li said he believed coastal air defence radars would be used for routine coverage of the new zone.

Planes - whether surveillance or fighter jets - would be used generally for more specific tasks, he said.

Indeed, attention is likely to focus on airfields and coastal radar stations around Shanghai - strategically placed near the top of the zone.

Independent academic and commercial analysis of China's air force and naval aviation deployments shows a concentration of surveillance aircraft, together with expanding fleets of indigenous J-10 and Russian-acquired Su-30 jet fighters.

An estimated 45 surveillance planes are also within range of the zone, along with as many as 160 fighters around Shanghai - including some ageing locally produced J-7 aircraft.

Most of the surveillance planes are variants of the long-range, locally manufactured Y-8, equipped for separate tasks, such as early-warning patrols, electronic intelligence gathering as well as ship and submarine surveillance.

Particular regional attention is focused on four larger KJ-2000 Airborne Warning and Control System aircraft, converted Russian Il-76 planes, based out of Jiangsu province, neighbouring Shanghai, and within reach of Japan and Taiwan.

"We don't think China's AWACS planes and their abilities are up to the standard of the U.S. and its allies," one Asian military attache in Hong Kong said. "But we can be sure they are getting there - and any extensive enforcement operation could bring them into full play - so we are watching them closely."

NO "HOT DOGGING"

The potential behaviour of Chinese pilots during any intensified campaign is also drawing scrutiny - with U.S. officials particularly worried about the risk of miscalculations or accidents.

The days of Chinese fighter pilots buzzing U.S. surveillance planes largely ended when one died in a collision with a U.S. aircraft in 2001.

U.S. military pilots say their Chinese counterparts have generally stopped any fast and loose manoeuvres during routine intercepts after the fatal collision above the South China Sea sparked a crisis in Sino-U.S. ties.

"You just don't see the hot-dogging you used to see up there," one pilot said. "As China's got a lot more assets, its pilots have gotten a lot more professional."

While insisting the zone would be here to stay, Chinese officials and military officers have insisted that Beijing fully intended to comply with international law.

Senior naval advisor, Rear Admiral Yin Zhou, told state broadcaster CCTV that it was illegal to shoot down planes in international airspace.

"Once you enter our territorial airspace we can shoot you down," he said. "But beforehand I would have warned you: if you don't report and enter our territorial airspace, we would take drastic measures."

A Defence Ministry spokesman would not confirm to Reuters whether China's interception aircraft would be armed as they patrolled the zone, however.

"For unidentified or threatening flying objects in the (zone), the Chinese side will, according to different situations, take timely identification, surveillance ... and control measures to deal with it," the spokesman said.

Enforcing rules in air zone will stretch China's air force and navy

 

[W.G.Ewald]

No one cares China... the Japanese airlines too are challenging you, then what will you do ? shoot down those Japanese airlines ??

Please do not over estimate your strength...

Russians shot down a Korean airliner without a second thought. I believe the Chinese could get themselves in a situation where they felt compelled to do the same thing.

You can't fire warning shots with heat-seeking missiles.

KAL Flight 007: How the Cold War fueled an unthinkable tragedy - CNN.com

 

[W.G.Ewald]

US escalation

The unarmed US bombers took off from Guam yesterday as part of a "previously scheduled" and "routine exercise" in the area, US defence officials said.

A US official, speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed to AFP the two planes were B-52 bombers.

``Last night we conducted a training exercise that was long-planned. It involved two aircraft flying from Guam and returning to Guam,'' Pentagon spokesman Colonel Steven Warren told reporters.

No flight plan was submitted beforehand to the Chinese and the mission went ahead ``without incident,'' with the two aircraft spending ``less than an hour'' in the unilaterally-declared Air Defence Identification Zone (ADIZ), Warren said.

US forces perform routine flights as they always have and Australian newspaper calls it "US escalation"? China must count on such ignorance from the rest of the world. Chinese are very good at propaganda.

 

[Ash]

You can't fire warning shots with heat-seeking missiles.

KAL Flight 007: How the Cold War fueled an unthinkable tragedy - CNN.com

 

[sayareakd]

PLA saw hot stepper (Uncle) coming, so they just make way for him.

PLA know the reality both on air and at sea. Chinese citizen are seeing their unchallange sole super dream getting an early crash.

 

[tramp]

Plus, China will ferret out some time period in history to substantiate their claim. It could be any period from the recent history to as far back stone age .... some point in which a Chinese chieftain had held sway over the area and claim because of their rule during that time, China has a legitimate claim now!!

Actually, if one has noticed the manner in which China lays claim over any territory, it does so very 'peacefully' and then slowly escalates the heat.

What China has done is merely 'establish' that this territory is theirs. This they have done by a very innocuous action like declaring that those islands fall under China's ADIZ.

They have mde some belligerent noise and are testing the waters.

They will attack no one and that is why they have the escape route organised for themselves - 'defensive measure'.which means nothing in real terms, but sounds very imposing, magnificently bellicose and with the adequate hot air and noise.

What China has done reminds me of a canine 'marking' its territory.

 

[desicanuk]

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Australia earlier this week summoned Beijing's ambassador to express its opposition......

Cowardly Australian government of Abbott has given in to PRC demands after expressing its opposition.
Cowardly Congress led Indian government will probably do the same.Anybody heard of any official reaction from our government!!!

 

[LETHALFORCE]

US escalation



US forces perform routine flights as they always have and Australian newspaper calls it "US escalation"? China must count on such ignorance from the rest of the world. Chinese are very good at propaganda.

Australia is a chinese lackey always fearing losing trade. Australia was the first to drop out of the USA-india-japan naval alliance. Australia is the weakest member of ABCA.

 

[no smoking]

China lost "Face" in the international community with this incident and can be called a paper tiger, and what a coincidence its a chinese concept Paper tiger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since 2010, there were more than 400 times that Chinese military plane getting into Japanese AIZ without notice, how many times do you think Japanese lost their "face"?

Since 1945, hundredes of soviet/russian military planes getting into American AIZ without identifiying themselves, according to you, American must be a pure "paper tiger".

Do you really understand what is meaning of AIZ?
It is not sovereign airspace, other countries have no obligation to follow your rules in this area. But it provides a legal basis for you to send your fighter for a "friendly welcome" whenever you like.

 

[t_co]

I think Ewald is confused here. It's plain that the US establishment is trying to make this B-52 flight seem a lot more important than it actually is. China/Russia violate the US/Japan's ADIZs all the time (and vice versa).

What is a more interesting issue is whether the B-52s actually flew in the territorial airspace around the Diaoyu Islands (as defined by the 12nm limit).

 

[asianobserve]

I think Ewald is confused here. It's plain that the US establishment is trying to make this B-52 flight seem a lot more important than it actually is. China/Russia violate the US/Japan's ADIZs all the time (and vice versa).

What is a more interesting issue is whether the B-52s actually flew in the territorial airspace around the Diaoyu Islands (as defined by the 12nm limit).

To put your flimsy face-saving post into context...

"[The zone] provides communication and air force identification between countries, allowing them to identify whether the opposite side is hostile," said National Defence University professor and PLA Air Force major general Qiao Liang. "But if the subject intruding into the zone disregarded any warning, our pilots have the right to shoot it down," Qiao said in an interview aired on the China News Service website on Tuesday.

'Hostile' aircraft could be shot down in new air zone: Chinese air force general | South China Morning Post

 

[ice berg]

To put your flimsy face-saving post into context...



'Hostile' aircraft could be shot down in new air zone: Chinese air force general | South China Morning Post

To adress your sentence.

You have the right to remain silent. Does it means you have to remain silent?

Learn the nuance.

 

[asianobserve]

To adress your sentence.

You have the right to remain silent. Does it means you have to remain silent?

Learn the nuance.

Another escape artist...