US Assessment - Pakistan government unaware of Bin Laden's Location

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  1. Agnostic Muslim

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    WASHINGTON: The commander of US Special Operations Command has said that a post-raid assessment concluded there is no evidence that the Pakistani government knew the whereabouts of al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden, who was eliminated in an operation in May 2011.
    Navy Adm William H McRaven told attendees at a Summit that Pakistan wasn’t informed of the raid that led to the death of bin Laden.

    McRaven said he doesn’t believe the Pakistani government knew bin Laden’s whereabouts, the Pentagon reported Thursday.

    “We have no intelligence that indicates the Pakistanis knew he was there,” he added.
    The US Special Forces carried out the secret night raid on Osama bin Laden’s hideout in Abbottabad on May 1, last year.

    McRaven said there was never a moment he doubted the raid would succeed. Though bin Laden is dead, non-state actors still present a threat, the admiral noted.

    “We’ve done a terrific job of taking care of the core of al Qaeda,” McRaven said. But, he added, “There’s no such thing as a local problem anymore. Everything in the world is connected.”

    This interconnectedness means the future of special operations lies in partnerships with other nations, he added.

    “We understand to minimize the rise of violent extremism, you have to create the conditions on the ground where people have good jobs, where there is the rule of law, where there is stability [and] where there is good governance,” he said.

    “We think, from a military standpoint, we can certainly help with the security that will be required to help begin to build some of that stability”.

    “The raids get all the media attention”, he continued, “but the reality of the matter is the bulk of what we do is building partner capacity and working with host nations. I think that’s the future of special operations,” he said, according to a Pentagon account of his remarks.

    Pakistan was unaware of bin Laden’s location, US assessment concludes – The Express Tribune

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    So, can we finally put the conspiracy theories (that the Pakistan Army and/or ISI were complicit in hiding OBL) to rest now? (X-posting from elsewhere)
     
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  3. LETHALFORCE

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    Excellent assessment how could anyone in a military garrison town know who Bin laden is??
     
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    1. There was no garrison in the town
    2. The town administration is civilian with a Garrison Officer leading the Cantonment Board mainly in the role of a liaison between the civilian administration and military to safeguard military interests. As such, local law enforcement, intelligence operations etc would be handled by the civilian administration, not the military
     
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    These two bold'ed statements doesn't match up :D
    The article says according to Amrikan assessment Pakistani Civilian Government didn't knew anything about OBL's whereabouts but no where it says ISI and Pak Military knew nothing.
     
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    this is absolute b.s.:bs:!how can they say that they weren't aware of the fact that OBL was living in pakistan:shocked:!i mean he was living within a stone throwing distance of the pakistani military establishment in Abbottabad and by saying these kind of craps the GOP is seriously underestimating the capabilities of ISI.the truth is that the ISI knew every detail of OBL living in pakistan and probably even gave shelter and protection to him but now that he has been killed by the Yankees in their own backyard they are playing the usual denial card denying literally everything to escape the tremendous humiliation that they have faced in the past 1 year after OBL's death in the International political arena:wave:!
     
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    That means Pakistani Army/ISI is out of control of civilian government :D
     
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    Changed the title.

    He said the Pakistani civilian Government wasn't aware. It's a veiled reference that ISI/Army was well aware
     
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    "“We have no intelligence that indicates the Pakistanis knew he was there,”

    The quote above from McRaven adds up very well with my quote, you can continue clinging to straws and paranoid conspiracy theories if it fits your biased world view of course.
     
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    Re: US Assessment - Pakistan government unaware of Bin Laden's Locatio

    If you read the entire article McRaven is directly quoted as stating, “We have no intelligence that indicates the Pakistanis knew he was there,”
     
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    Re: US Assessment - Pakistan government unaware of Bin Laden's Locatio

    True. But that is just one quote

    The official release also has these lines The commander of U.S. Special Operations Command said yesterday that a post-raid assessment concluded there is no evidence that the Pakistani government knew the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.

    Defense.gov News Article: McRaven: No Evidence Pakistan Knew bin Laden’s Location
     
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    Re: US Assessment - Pakistan government unaware of Bin Laden's Locatio

    Pakistanis are selective in agreeing with the assessments of US :rofl:
     
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    Re: US Assessment - Pakistan government unaware of Bin Laden's Locatio

    The section referring to the 'Pakistani Government' appears to be a paraphrasing of McRaven's comments by the author:

    Senior leaders, he said, believed informing Pakistan about the raid in advance would have put the mission at risk. McRaven said he doesn’t believe the Pakistani government knew bin Laden’s whereabouts. “We have no intelligence that indicates the Pakistanis knew he was there,” he added.

    I might be missing it, but where is McRaven directly quoted as stating 'Pakistani Government' instead of 'Pakistanis'?
     
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    Re: US Assessment - Pakistan government unaware of Bin Laden's Locatio

    its like saying that the Doctors were unaware of the operations done in the O.T -"by the Nurses and Ward boy's" ( obviously obfuscating the later part under " ") . So,the doctor is not responsible for the misdeeds but has all the Authority and Responsibility to oversee the Operations in O.T. What a bullshit :D. Are the Americans cleaver in hiding facts or they are being misinterpreted on the Pakistani side to meet the ends.
     
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    Re: US Assessment - Pakistan government unaware of Bin Laden's Locatio

    The US assessment pretty clearly states that they have 'no evidence' of Pakistani complicity - their past 'assessments of Pakistani complicity' have offered no 'evidence' to support them either, so Pakistanis are being consistent - if there is a US assessment backed by strong, credible evidence that I have disagreed with, please let me know.
     
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    Re: US Assessment - Pakistan government unaware of Bin Laden's Locatio

    “We have no intelligence that indicates the Pakistanis knew he was there,” - Admiral McRaven

    What is there to 'misinterpret' in the above statement?
     
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    Re: US Assessment - Pakistan government unaware of Bin Laden's Locatio

    They are clearly saying that weak paki govt. did not know at which military facility OBL was being kept; however this outright points out the complicity of paki army and ISI, as OBL was staying under their roof - that too in a mansion!
     
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    Re: US Assessment - Pakistan government unaware of Bin Laden's Locatio

    Is this the failure of intelligence?
    What Part of Pakistan does "Pakistani" represents here? Civilian govt. or the Establishment?
    What if they have failed the intelligence apparatus and thus can't conclude precisely ? So, the benefit of doubt hmm?
    Diplomatically it can mean that American's are still very unsure about how to deal with Pakistan and want to reconcile the relation with Pakistan, so they gave "fuzzy" statement without "substantial meaning" over who this "Pakistanis" is ?
     
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    Re: US Assessment - Pakistan government unaware of Bin Laden's Locatio

    Where does the statement mention "weak Pakistani government and/or Pakistani Government and/or military facility, complicity of Pakistani Army and/or complicity of ISI'?

    Perhaps you have some really special reading glasses that distort the text you are reading to fit your political biases?
     

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