US accused of hacking hundreds of Chinese targets since 2009

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  1. t_co

    t_co Senior Member Senior Member

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    Edward Snowden just blew a massive hole in Obama's PR campaign against Chinese hacking of US civilian targets. Relevant sections bolded for emphasis.

    NSA leaker Edward Snowden: U.S. targets China with hackers - The Washington Post

    There is no good way out of this situation for the US government.

    No wonder Obama couldn't push Xi towards a US-favored cyber accord at Sunnylands.

    Look at the news over the past six months - story after story on Chinese hacking, pushed constantly by Western media outlets - this entire carefully orchestrated campaign was just undone by one man. Bravo.
     
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  3. huaxia rox

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    1 what Edward Snowden said about the us hacking chinese targets is just a known fact but still the us govement will deny or refuse to comment on this so how could anything change just because of a whilse blower? the us will still say they are the vitim and others are all hackers.

    2 at first i thought huawei etc being barred from us business is just because the us doesnt want chinese to touch american companies pieces of cake economically . now i have begun to understand why major countries dont want foreign companies to get involved.

    3 hk is really not a good place for this kind of mess. i suggest mr Edward Snowden to go to singapor or swiss.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    How now brown cow, why do you frown beneath the bow?
     
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    Chinese are thugs and Americans are rouges.

    Two wrongs don't make a right.
     
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    huaxia rox Senior Member Senior Member

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    if you get outside people in a chinese comunity you can face this trouble.... why should our society pay for these kinds?
    Suspect held for Chungking rape - The Standard


    of course i dont think this american belongs to these kinds but neither do i know if this guy will be murderred by CIA or some one poses as CIA.

    many spies have gatherred in hk since ww2 so if i were him i would pick swiss to go.
     
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    U.S. seeks Snowden's extradition, urges Hong Kong to act quickly | Reuters

    Seems to imply blaming Chinese for ... something.
     
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    Mr Snowden is reported to have flought to Moscow today, probably in transit to Iceland or Ecuador (?) for assylum .

    Another idealist like Assange.

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    Don't want to be singing the I told u tune, but did I not tell you that American hackers aren't all "amateurs"?

    61000 cases of US government backed foreign hacking. If that isn't the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is... Hypocrisy at its zenith.
     
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    Of course you do :)

    Everybody does.
     
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    Hahahahahahaaaa!! The coolest Americano I know(ish)
     
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    So how many products did the Americans steal from China through hacking...?

    Espionage has been always been there, it is a cat-and-mouse game between nations since their inceptions and one that actually helped keep the peace many times before. Espionage however should not be automatically equated with "stealing." The latter has been perfected by the Chinese BTW...
     
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    Come on t_co, being ill-informed doesn't qualify as lying.. It would be a lie if Ewald had posted that after Snowden's reports.
     
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    Ray The Chairman Defence Professionals Moderator

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    So the US was hacking the Chinese?

    Great.

    A nice game both are playing.
     
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    then how many stolen BY China through hacking FROM the us.

    specificly.

    and whats the original design? whats the final job of prc benifitted from the original?
     
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    If there's a billowing black smoke even a donkey will know that there's fire...

    We all know how difficult it is to prove use of stolen designs through hacking, this is where the limit of criminal evidence is at right now. How do you prove design copying when the copier has altered the designs just enough so that it can argue that it is not copied? And more importantly how can pinpoint who is behind the computer when the hacking was being done (criminal liability is personal)? Or how about the chain of custody of the stolen electronic design? It's daunting to say the least.

    But for discussion purposes let's highlight some of the publicised incidents:

    One can only guess what metal technology, industrial design or aerospace technology were made through ThyssenKrupp AG or European Defence hackings? Or no wonder Huawei cellphones are progressing so rapidly, courtesy of Apple...?

    Easier to prove by conventional evidence however is theft the old way. Just recently the US Justice Department charged 2 employees of Sinovel Wind Group (wind turbine maker) for stealing wind turbine designs from US-based AMSC:

     
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