US accepts Pakistan as a declared nuclear state: report

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  1. ajtr

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    LETHALFORCE Moderator Moderator

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    Obama looks like a real Idiot and hypocrite first he said he wanted to reduce the nuclear weapons in the world(with no plan) then he said he wanted to invite India and Pakistan to become NPT members and now he wants Pakistan to be declared as a nuclear weapon state. This is a good example of what a mess US foreign policy is with a clueless leader.
     
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    Obama is not clueless, he is trying the Appeasement theory! I am sure it will fail, but maybe he has resigned to the fact that Pakistans nuclear bell cant be rolled back. What to say! Sad actually!

    Lastly, a wild Idea of mine. Maybe USA is trying to make Pakistan Comfortable by saying all this, while they are readying up to capture or liquidate pakistani nukes! :p Crazy it is, but the world of Politics always is! You cant trust the americans when it comes to foreign policy!
     
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    US accepts Pakistan as nuclear state: US media

     
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    & you took his words, hahahahhaha
     
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    you are right Ahmed about the appeasement policy I am sure this Iran and North Korea are getting the same policy, this does very little to strengthen the NPT ;a main goal of the Obama administration.
     
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    I don't believe 1% of the things he says and the biggest laugh was him getting the Nobel peace prize when he did n't stop any wars, by the time Obama is done with his term he will have accomplished none of his goals and USA's economic situation will be even worst.
     
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    Take it with a pinch of salt guys. Its nothing but lip service to humor its best friend in the region.

    Just recently the Americans categorically ruled out a civil nuke deal with the Pakistanis.

    I am wondering what is the energy requirement projection of Pakistan that it needs the expensive nuke deal. India is going to shell out $150 billion this decade just on that. That is not a small amount and its huge for a country like Pakistan whose economy is just about $185 billion at actuals and about 500 billion by PPP. So its going to be difficult for it to go for such a deal.

    The other reason I can think of is since India has the deal, then its a must for it to have for what it calls to "achieve parity with India".
     
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    Much of the things you say are true Yusuf, the Pakistanis are viewing the Indian nuclear deal as a fuel for weapons deal when it is really a energy deal. In many ways it is even stricter than NPT it has elements of FMCT and MCTR and many other clauses Hyde act etc... and USA has still not delivered any nuclear fuel??
     
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    Appeasement can be one thing but i i 've different take on this news.Remember President Obama and his democrat party is die haerd NPT supporters.Remember his promisises on NPT/FMcT/CTBT before elections.Now in all these cut off treaties only 3 countries who can throw spanner in obama's push are NNPT countries:india,israel and pakistan (the Non nuke weapon status countries).OBama plans to push for NPT(which i opened a thread here).Civil-nuke deal was clever move by USA to pave way to bring india under NPT unofficially.Now for pakistan he needs to give something to bring them into the NPT fold.USA can sure prevail upon israel to sign off NPT with some other promises.What we are seeing is to bring all these country into NPT.Recognising pakistan as quasi nuke weapon state like india open that path as we ve seen pakistan throwing spanner intto last FMCT conference.There can be civil -nuke deal like india that usa may negotiate with pakistan in future.its simple give and take.
     
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    USA will not force Israel into the NPT. If it had to, it would have a long time ago.
     
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    Israel will not be pressured to sign NPT by USA because USA would lose any leverage they have against Iran if they capped Israel.
     
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    Iran and korea are other two bases for Obama.after india,israel and pak.israel can be leveraged by usa as they with some give take as with case of india and pakistan.only thing to be seen is how successful obama will be?Coz all these are his pre poll promises.he failed in AFPAK.he will cut and run after 2 years by showing success like in NAM.he may have nominal success on NPT front same as AFPAK.He is being a disappointment on domestic front.People had great expectations from him before poll and expectations on him increased with nobel peace prize.but he turn out to be a empty vessel which just make noise.
     
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    There is only one way to get the NPT through for Obama. Get India, Pak and Israel in the NPT as a nuke weapons state. The arabs will be up in arms over this. So the next best will be for the US to get India and Pak in the NPT fold as weapons state. Israel continues its status quo.
     
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    Right now there are 5 nuclear weapon states that are NPT signatories and all of them have been signatories for almost 30+ years , there are 5 nuclear weapon states that are non signatories and 1 of them (india) has tested almost 40 years ago(smiling buddha) with a few more coming like S. Korea, Brazil,kazakastan,South Africa,Argentina possibly in the next decade the steps Obama is taking will do little to discourage these countries from pursuing a program and may encourage others like Libya,Syria ,belarus,etc..to also pursue down the road?
     
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    Well, it is a reality. Anyone closing their eyes to reality doesn't change the reality.

    India and Pakistan are self declared nuclear powers. They have proven it and the USA acting blind to facts doesn't help anyone.
     
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    I do not know what did Anwar Iqbal (reporter) mean by implicit. Is there anything implicit and explicit acceptation when it comes to nuclear weapon state. Even North Korea, Israel can claim the same position.

    This is all speculation. Lets see if that meeting takes place or not.

    If that is the case, someone needs to tell Pakistan's former ambassador, that Pakistan must not show its desperation to get US recognition.

    Pakistan should forget about getting any nuclear deal in near future. They have a very bad proliferation track record. Though Pakistan will have Chinese support as usual but without US and Russia's support it will never get NSG waiver like India.

    There is nothing new in US-Pakistan co-operation. From fight against Soviet invasion till date they are close buddies.
     

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