US 7th fleet base in Bangladesh?

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  1. trackwhack

    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    Is this true? What the hell? How are we allowing this?
     
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    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    If this is true we dont have a reason to hold back on testing warheads and deploying longer range missiles.
     
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    Any sources regarding this?
     
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    looks not only china, India bhai bhai not welcome them.
    we should attach them from west by India and east by China.
    :grouphug:

    if you want beat them alone, China can give you waaaay longer range missiles ,totally free.
     
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    not a drop of water should flow into bangladesh if this happens. wtf is this? defining partnership?
     
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    Gotta love you for that comment, although not necessarily agreeing with you. :)
     
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    This is a double edged weapon.

    Ms Clinton had said that Bangladesh had a rrole to play in the Indian Ocean/

    Therefore, the news is not all that kiteflying!
     
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    Hillary in Dhaka: Why? And why now?

    Why Bangladesh is of interest to the US?

    • Bangladesh is important geopolitically because it shares borders with India and reformed and resurgent Myanmar. It is also a near neighbour to China and stands as a bridge between South Asia and South East Asia.

    • Bangladesh is a maritime nation and its access to open sea, Indian Ocean, is strategically an asset.

    • Bangladesh’s national unity is based on its ethnicity (Bengali/Bangalee) and not on religion because the country is a multi-religious one. Its homogeneity is an asset.

    • Bangladesh is the only Muslim-majority country, which is surrounded by non-Muslim majority states, and the influence of neighbouring states on its history, culture and traditions is extensive.

    • The rise of violent extremist Islamic organisations is not attractive to the overwhelming majority of people who are tolerant and respectful to believers of all faiths which constitutes of about 12% of its total population.

    • Bangladesh’s government, since 2009, is determined to root out the terrorist elements from the soil of Bangladesh and as a part of the effort the government has continued to address the problems of money laundering and weak border controls to ensure that Bangladesh does not become a terrorist safe-haven.

    • Bangladesh provides the largest peacekeeping personnel at the UN conflict zones and is well appreciated internationally for their performance.

    • Bangladesh is a multi-party democracy with a secular constitution. There is a growing assertiveness of civil society on socio-economic issues. They act as a buffer between the citizens and abuse of power, if any by the authorities.

    • In recent years there has been convergence in broad economic policies, namely encouragement of private sectors and de-regulation, among major political parties.

    • Bangladesh is emerging as an economically vibrant country where businesspeople have been innovative and imaginative in pushing the economic growth consistently above 6% through decades. There has also been a change in the economy as 60% of Bangladesh’s economy is connected to the global economy. The lives of the people in rural areas have gone through dramatic changes with the easy availability of mobile phones and cable TV.

    • Bangladeshi nationals have settled in America in thousands and as of 2012 there are about 150,000 Bangladeshi-Americans in the US and most of them are skilled and are professionals. In Michigan State one Bangladeshi-American was even elected in the State Assembly.

    For the last few years the US and Bangladesh dialogue on issues of economic cooperation, trade-related matters, counter-terrorism civil-military relations, maritime security, disaster management and UN peacekeeping role is being conducted on a piecemeal basis and the US wants to have a formal permanent forum where all issues may be regularly discussed and actions taken......

    Indian Ocean has been increasingly militarised in recent years. India, China, Myanmar, Malaysia and Pakistan are engaged in bolstering their navies to oversee the sea-lanes of the Indian Ocean. China has extended its influence into the Indian Ocean through Myanmar’s Coco Islands where it reportedly has established a surveillance naval base.

    It is reported that during the visit Hillary Clinton said that the US was willing to ensure safety to the rigs of oil exploration in the Bangladesh maritime area from sabotage or other kinds of maritime threats. Furthermore the US Secretary of State indicated that the US energy company Conocophillips was interested to explore another four five offshore blocks of Bangladesh.

    On wider security, many strategists suggest that the US is interested to constitute a kind of security (not military) alliance to confront North East Asia’s instability and China’s supremacy in the Asia-Pacific region with India, Australia, Philippines and Japan. Bangladesh could also be included in the loop......

    Hillary in Dhaka: Why? And why now? « Dhaka Courier
     
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    BANGLADESH: AMERICA’S NEW STRATEGIC CYNOSURE IN SOUTH ASIA

    The new stronger American focus on Bangladesh can be gauged from American media and other documents. In one recent Wall Street Journal article it was written that “Bangladesh is the standard –bearer of South Asia”. In a Congressional Research Paper it was reflected that not surprisingly, Bangladesh is the ‘partner of choice for the United States in many of the foreign policy priorities of President Obama”

    The major questions that arise from the United States strategic cynosure on Bangladesh and the Joint Declaration will logically what it portends for India and China and how would a Bangladesh-United States Strategic Partnership once fully consummated impact on the security interests of India and China?
    As far as India is concerned there are two opposing portents that come to the fore. The first being a positive one in hat India views this development as one of a logical extension of the US-India Strategic Partnership transplanted onto a wider strategic canvass carrying positive security advantages for all three nations. It carries the nucleus of a US-India-Bangladesh Strategic Trilateral emerging.

    The opposite portent, a highly improbable one, is that a Bangladesh-United States Strategic Partnership as a bipartite security understanding at some later stage may emerge on the same pattern of United States security linkage with Pakistan and all the attendant negative security connotations in its wake for India.
    However, what is definitely intriguing is the American emphasis on Bangladesh’s role in the maritime security of the Bay of Bengal and the Indian Ocean. One would have thought that the United States under its Strategic Partnership understandings with India would have acceded that role to India as the dominant naval power in the region. What maritime role for Bangladesh in the Bay of Bengal is the United States envisaging?

    The biggest impact of any evolutionary Bangladesh-United States strategic partnership would be on China with which Bangladesh has a Strategic Partnership Agreement. In Bangladesh policy circles, despite a lack of geographical contiguity, China was viewed as a countervailing power to India as the outsized and predominant power in the region.

    In Chinese strategic perceptions, the coupling of the United States-India Strategic Partnership with increasing security cooperation between Bangladesh and the United States is going to be perceived as hostile.

    Bangladesh eminently qualifies as the United States new strategic partner in South Asia to replace its erstwhile focus on Pakistan with which the United States currently stands disillusioned. Bangladesh is a moderate Islamic country which under the current PM Sheikh Hasina has boldly demonstrated ‘zero tolerance’ for Islamist extremists by liquidating them and nor does it present any prospects of Talibanization like Pakistan.

    In the overall geopolitics of South Asia any US strategic relationship or strategic partnership with Bangladesh does not create policy complexities for the United States in relation to India and the US-India Strategic Partnership. Unlike Pakistan, Bangladesh and India are not in an adversarial or confrontational ode even though some irritants exist especially on water-sharing.

    Therefore, the ‘Joint Declaration of Bangladesh-United States Dialogue on Partnership’ signed by the two nations during US Secretary Of State Clinton’s visit to Dhaka on May 05 2012 needs to be viewed in this light and without any misgivings....

    BANGLADESH: America’s New Strategic Cynosure in South Asia..
     
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    Frankly speaking "7th fleet base in Bangladesh" looks like a faked headline (or overhyped?). However, contrary to some's belief that the US's presence is detestable, the US as a mature and responsible power, is a necessary police. Like in West Pacific it's unthinkable if the US pulls out. Ambitions of countries like Japan and S. Korea would go wild and they'll become Frankenstein in a new round of arm race once they come of the US's cage. Similarly Indian Ocean will become another trouble water if the equilibrium is not in place.
     
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    Excl: America eyes Bangladesh
    31 May 2012, 2031 hrs IST
    America’s threat to send its seventh fleet to stop liberation of Bangladesh in 1971 is a known fact. Now, 41 years later - it is America again - which wants to park its seventh fleet in the country - for its strategic interests. Worried by increasing presence of Chinese naval bases in the South China Sea - America now eyes a counter strategy - as it wants an overall presence in Asia - right from Japan to its Diego Garicia base in the Indian Ocean.

    This by parking its seventh fleet in a base in Chittagong giving it both an eye on taking on China and a strategic post in Asia as it pulls out of Afghanisthan. The US State Department denying on the record that Hillary Clinton’s visits had anything to do with military co-operation.

    Victoria Nuland: Please, in the back.
    Question: Two questions.
    Victoria Nuland: Yeah.
    Question: The first one is about Bangladesh when Secretary Clinton was there. Can you confirm that she discussed the future of the seventh fleet with Bangladeshi officials? And does the State Department have a position on the future of the - home of the seventh fleet?
    Victoria Nuland: That sounds like a question for the Pentagon. I will take it in terms of whether it came up in her consultations, but I don’t believe it did


    Off the record, confirmation of key strategic meetings between Bangladesh and America and the recent visit of US Secretary of State Clinton. America’s concerns clearly documented in the Pentagon report as they increasingly worried over the string of pearls of Chinese bases across the South China Sea and their naval might spreading all across Asia - putting the America behind. The Bangladeshi Government remaining extremely tightlipped over the recent developments - as they have internally decided to deny it on record - fearing backlash from their own hardliners.

    Reporter: Recently Hillary Clinton visited your country. She has demanded for stronger relations between Bangladesh and US. Are you exploring the options?
    Ambassador: I don’t know what she has discussed and in any case this is not the fora to discuss political issues.
    Reporter: US had asked to allow Chittagong port to be used as their naval base? Will you allow them?
    Ambassador: I am not aware of any such requests to the best of my knowledge.


    This move by America could put India on the back foot if the American fleet moves to Bangladesh, all of India’s security installations will come under the American scanner. Bangladesh is not willing to comment on record even offering explanation to deny the developments. This Clinton visit a more strategic one than just a friendly one- the Indian establishment caught unawares--as this base could cast a shadow on India’s own strategic interests.

    Excl: America eyes Bangladesh- TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos
     
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    Ms Clinton's visit to Bangladesh is not that innocent as it made to appear by the US.

    What struck me was MS Clinton that Bangaldesh had a role to play in the Indian Ocean.

    Currently, the BD Navy is only suited to be even less that a Brown Water Navy and here was Ms Clinton ascribing Blue Water capability tot he BD Navy. Obviously, she had other things in mind that she did not spell out.

    There is no doubt that the US is perturbed with the Chinese interest building up in the Indian Ocean and that too through Pakistan and Myanmar and would like to counter that.

    It is surprising that India has not been kept in the loop or has she been kept in the loop?

    If India been kept in the loop, is India not concerned of the US Navy being at her doorstep?
     
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    Looks like sensationalising by Times Now.

    Seriously our news channels really need to be slapped with some heavy fines or atleast revoke their "News" status so that everyone knows that its an Entertainment channle and not a news channel

    The 7th fleet is mainly based in Japan and South Korea and there is no reason why it would change that location given the pivot east policy being implemented. The North EastAsia theatre is very important for the US and the main responsibility for that region is with the 7th fleet.

    Overall, BD getting closer with the US rather than China is good for us. Its about time that we stepped up our military diplomacy and used the US partnership to stregthen BD-India military ties. We should stop being paranoid about the US on everything. Afterall, they already have a naval base in Diego Garcia, and also have the 5th fleet based in the Persian Gulf in Bahrain and Qatar. We hold the largest number of military exercises with the US than with any other country. Eventually, our aim would be to have BD as a partner similar to a sort of a South Asian NATO in the longer term.
     
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    assuming the news to be true, implications for India, China and Burma. We too can keep tab on their ships, they can moniter our missile test, coco is also close by. Plus location is not good for 7th fleet, they have to move from bay of bangal, every time, since only three countries in the region.
     
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    Why should South Korea and Japan go bonkers if the US pulls out?

    Is the US restraining them?

    If so, how?
     
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    I think its high time Chaos must be unleashed in BD.Dead banglas are good banglas.
     
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    Without the US protection and RESTRAINT, S. Korea and Japan would go nuke to counter N. Korea, like India did and then Pakistan in tandem

    So all this US-BD bhai bhai impact is on China again, :pound: and India will enjoy “positive security advantages‘ from such a "US-India-Bangladesh Strategic Trilateral emerging".
     
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    US 7th Fleet basing does not mean that the whole Fleet moves lock, stock and barrel.

    The Fleet has many Task Forces.

    It means one Task Force being based in Bangladesh.

    The suggestion to muzzle the media is a most dangerous one.

    But for the media, we would have never learnt of the numerous scams that has ruined the Indian economy or ruined India's reputation (CWG). If there was no media we would have never learnt of the mining scam that booked Yedurappa and will soon have Krishna answering for the same done in this tenure as the CM.

    Only those in govt who have much to hide are the ones who are strident believers in muzzling the internet and the media.

    For irresponsible reporting there should be a Media Council as they have the Press Council.

    Geoge Washington had said - If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter.
     
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    I think you still have not got the subtle message Singh gave earlier of the psychopathic urge to annihilate all and sundry that you do not like.
     

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