UNSC support central to global cooperation:India tells China

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    India this week reiterated its calls for “greater understanding” from China of its bid for a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council (UNSC), underscoring that the issue was central to any future cooperation between the two countries on the global stage.

    Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao told Chinese State broadcaster China Central Television (CCTV) in an interview, on the sidelines of the on-going United Nations General Assembly in New York, that there was a “groundswell” developing within the U.N. for an expansion of the Security Council, and that India had a legitimate case for becoming a permanent member.

    China has, in the past, been reluctant to support India's bid for a permanent seat. Indian officials say talks have made little progress since 2005, when China said it “understood and supported India's aspirations,” but not specifically its bid, to “play an active role in the U.N.” China's position has not changed since.

    Ms. Rao told CCTV in response to a question on the future of New Delhi-Beijing relationship that the Chinese government needed to show “greater understanding” of India's case for a permanent seat.

    “The world is talking today about the reform of the UNSC, and finding a place for nations which deserve to be permanent members of the Security Council,” she said. “India counts itself among that group of countries. We believe that India is a deserving candidate for permanent membership of the UNSC, and we would like to see greater understanding from China of India's case for permanent membership of the UNSC.”

    She said there was “a groundswell developing within the membership of the U.N.,” adding that “more than 140 countries have recently supported the launch of text-based negotiations within the U.N. for the expansion of the Security Council, both in permanent and non-permanent categories.”

    The issue figured prominently in recent high-level exchanges between Indian and Chinese officials this year.

    In March, External Affairs Minister S.M. Krishna said, during his visit to Beijing, it was “time for China to review previously held positions [on U.N. reforms] and welcome the presence in the Security Council of a nation with which it has much in common.”

    Chinese officials, however, said then they were not ready to do so, and wanted “discussions in a patient way to reach a package of consensus on the issue”


    President Pratibha Patil raised the issue during her state visit in May. Then, China voiced support for India's bid for a two-year non-permanent seat in 2011, but did not change its position on the permanent seat. The issue also found no mention in the statement issued by the Chinese Foreign Ministry after the President's visit.

    The statement called on both sides to work together “to increase the representation of developing countries in international affairs,” but avoided any reference to the UNSC, which Indian officials had sought in talks.

    Source: The Hindu
     
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    BRICS meet: China backs India's 'aspiration' for UN role


    China on Thursday recorded its recognition of India's "status" in global affairs and said it "supports" its "aspiration" to play a greater role in the world body, a nuanced expression that could be seen as a step forward towards backing New Delhi's bid for a permanent seat on the UN Security Council. The Chinese position was reflected in a declaration issued here after a Summit of Brazil-Russia-India-China-South Africa (BRICS) while referring to the need for comprehensive reform of the UN, including the Security Council, to make it "more effective, efficient and representative so that it can deal with today's global challenges more successfully."
    The declaration said, "China and Russia reiterate the importance they attach to the status of India, Brazil and South Africa in international affairs and understand and support their aspiration to play a greater role in the UN."
    While Russia has always forcefully backed India's candidature for permanent membership of an expanded UN Security Council, China has so far not been forthcoming.
    Asked about the mention in the declaration, Secretary (Economic Relations) in the External Affairs Ministry Manbir Singh told reporters that it was an "endorsement" to India's quest for playing a larger role in the UNSC as the leaders talked about expansion and reform. "You can draw your own conclusion."
    The Chinese expression of "support" for India's aspirations came against the backdrop of growing coordination between the two countries in the UN over critical issues like Libya.
    India, which is a non-permanent member of the Security Council, and China have been on the same page with regard to such issues at the world body.
    Sources said the two countries have been regularly holding consultations and coordinating positions with regard to UNSC issues.
    Meanwhile, Chinese President Hu Jintao hosted a banquet for Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, Brazilian leader Dilma Rousseff and South Africa's Jacob Zuma
    At the banquet, popular Hindi song 'baar, baar dheko, hazaar baar dekho' of Shammi Kapoor-starrer 'China Town' film was played and it was appreciated by Singh.
     
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    any of USA, CHina, Russia, France and UK expressed their support of India's Bid for UNSC seat.....however.......status quo is ......after all, talk is cheap!
     
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    This time we are talking about China . If you say they sell cheap and now talk cheap its upto you . After all its your country. :D
     
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    I think what he wants to say is that the situation hasn't changed much and the Chinese statement doesn't indicate support for UNSC seat. It is just a vague gesture to buy time and keep playing ball with India. But only the Chinese know what they write here :D


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    Nehru gave India’s UN permanent seat to China in 1950’s and China back stabbed India in 1962.
     
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    China did not get UNSC permanent seat as a gift from India in 1950, back then we could not even produce enough food to feed our poor and hungry people, let us not flatter ourselves.

    Words like "Back Stabbing" are used by people/nations who are naive and gullible, usage of such phrases is a sign of hurt Ego, such nations don't deserve to survive. China was simply better prepared than us in 1962 and it took full advantage. Let us not beat our adversary/competitor with the stick of "morality", this doesn't work, doesn't leave any mark.
     
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    CHina's UNSC permanent seat was gifted by USA president Roosevelt during WWII,as a repay for China's contribution to WWII.

    Frankly speaking, CHina was quite weak at that time ,so neither Soviet nor UK thought that CHina should deserve one permannent seat. it was Roosevlet that insisted that CHina should be one of "4 global policemen" and thought that CHina could grow to a real power after WWII.

    Then,as one compromise, USA also accepted UK's suggestion,that France was also gifted one permanent seat of UN,althought France in fact was defeated by NAZI completely in 1940.
     
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    Roosevelt probably expected ROC to become a good post-war counterbalance to USSR in Asia. But regrettably ROC was quickly toppled down.

    And France? It didn't stand for a week (or 3 days?) against Germany while ROC a sick man of East Asia held on for 8+years. France now shall give its UNSC permanent seat to India who deserves it with all that historical contribution in WW2, and current clout, plus enormous potential
     
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    France had to face an all-out assault from the axis forces, Indians surrendered their country to British, only 35,000 landed on our shores and turned us into their colony for 150 years. Indians did not fight willingly, Indians fought as a part of the British Empire, our soldiers fought and died in a war which did not concern us.
     
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    The fact the Empire survived thanks in part to " unwilling" fight of Indian soldiers (in million) was self explanatory for Brits to let go India in the end. What if those guns turned against the Empire otherwise?
     
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    It was not 'gifted'. Nothing is gifted in politics.

    China's fight in World War II was primarily homeland defense. If that was the criterion for 'gifting', then India's soldiers fought everywhere: from Africa, Italy and the M East to the South-east Asian theater, albeit as elements of a different entity.

    The conferring of the UNSC status on China was a 'co-opting' measure, in an age where signs of schism between Soviet and Chinese polities had already begun to show and the United States was aware of Soviet ambitions to "leap-frog" Western technology via claims on German resources and maneuvres in Europe. In that situation, it was willing to co-opt a 'nationalist' government, already fighting an 'insurgent' <in their terms> -based Communist movement, aided by the then Soviet Union and with claims to the throne. Let's remember after all, that it was only on 25 Oct. 1971 that the UNSC devolved recognition of the ROC as the legitimate government of China, and recognized the PRC as its sole representative. This was in an age, where China was still coming out of the cataclysmic changes of the Great Leap forward, was weakened internally by political in-fighting and during which the Cultural Revolution was in full swing. Co-opting a weak, but large and militarily potent, China was a useful measure, when the world's other superpower was huge and information about it uncertain. Co-opting China was also a useful check to Soviet expansionism in central and east Asia, as China would be wary of its neighbors getting taken over by what it viewed as a belligerent and increasingly hostile power. The strength of the socio-political-cultural alliance between Communists however, is something the U.S. underestimated, and what led to the lasting preserve of peace between the world's two greatest Communist countries.


    Let's not forget Pres. Richard Nixon's meet with Chairman Mao in 1972 as well, all this brought about in an environment of compensation and reconciliation, despite Mao's denouncing of the "revisionist traitor group" of the Soviet elite, for broaching rapprochement with the West. The West, and in particular the United States, was concerned about the Soviet Union and co-opted China in its attempts to encircle them: the same you see being played out in the India-China situ. today.


    On the present note, this is a much more accurate article about China's diplomatic vague-speak, surprisingly this time, from the Times of India:

    China backs India for UNSC seat, vaguely
     
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    Churchill once said: " Britain will fight against Nazi until the last Indian die."
     
  15. LETHALFORCE

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    So China even copied this.
     
  16. Rage

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    There is no quote that exists to that effect. It should be a matter of dishonour for you, to put words in somebody else's mouth.

    Notwithstanding the fact that he was a major political figure.

    It is, however, true that the Chinese will fight India until the last Pakistani dies.

    In any case, every year we count about 4,500.
     
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    same things were said previous 4 times, makes no difference.
     
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    Could you please give a link to that claim !?


    Later added: oops... it seems folks have requested this already!!
     

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