'Unprofessional' HAL, DRDO slammed for lost decades

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'Unprofessional' HAL, DRDO slammed for lost decades

A confidential report on making India self-reliant in aerospace has called for massive overhaul of higher education and military research and manufacturing. The report has also indicted Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), Hindustan Aeronautics Limited and other stakeholders for their failure on various fronts in ensuring that India became an important manufacturer of aircraft and other aeronautical systems.

While India showed some level of vision and dynamism in aerospace sector in the first few decades after independence, the situation has only turned worse now, the report said. "The subsequent lack of vision, determination and passion all contribute to the abject stagnation of this sector and continued dependence on other countries," it said.

It has pointed out that India needs to immediately carry out overhaul of higher education, improve civil and defence aeronautics research capabilities, revitalize public sector units and allow private sector in a major way to make significant gains in aerospace.

The committee, set up by the Integrated Defence Staff, submitted the report a few weeks before the UPA government left office in May. Headed by Air Marshal M Matheswaran, then deputy chief of integrated defence staff, the seven-member panel visited various facilities around the country and also audited all major aeronautical projects under way, such as development of light combat aircraft (LCA), Kaveri engine and licence production of Sukhoi-30 by HAL.


The study has recommended setting up of a National Aeronautics Commission to be the facilitator for coordination between civil and military aviation sectors and draw up a long-term plan.

The committee has said the DRDO's cost and time frame projected for indigenous projects are "unrealistic, to the extent of being unprofessional in a few cases". The comments have been made on the basis of the review of indigenous projects such as the LCA, Kaveri, LRSAM/MRSAM (long range surface to air missile/medium range surface to air missile) projects in partnership with Israeli firms etc.

HAL, country's dominant aeronautical manufacturer, aspires to make India an important aircraft manufacturer. Design and development of a basic trainer (HT-2) progressed impressively immediately after independence, followed by HF-24. "The D&D effort of HF 24 was however not taken forward due to various sins of commission and omission on the part of all stakeholders and especially for want of a suitable engine," said the report. Indian aerospace industry thus lost more than two decades, and started again from the drawing board stage with the LCA (light combat aircraft) programme.

After examining the success of countries such as Brazil, South Korea and China in developing a successful model of creating their aerospace sector, the committee concluded that India is nowhere near turning into a major aerospace industry player. "All these countries have integrated the commercial and economic viability issues including the most important aspect of slotting the global supply chain, as the fundamental basis of all their policies and strategies with reference to creating their aerospace capabilities. This is clearly absent in our case," it said.

It has also said that universities, private companies and military labs need to lean on each other for research.
'Unprofessional' HAL, DRDO slammed for lost decades - The Times of India
A very unfortunate state of affairs.

A white elephant or is it an elephant in the room?
 

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All those years in past, Government of past neglected any organization that is beneficial for India ..

DRDO for example is not given funds to make its research centers, They had to go outside for foreign assistance in other words in foreign mercy, Interestingly the partners chosen for DRDO`s collaboration are the one from who we buy in other words we pump their economy ..

DRDO even restricted from recruiting scientists, And over that they are forced to work on multiple projects under Gov ..

Kaveri project died because of lack of funds, HF-24 died because Indra thought buying MIG-21 is best for diplomacy ..

OFB on other hand producing state of art Rifles at 1800 to latest 60 era factory, Gov never did anything back then to improve ..

Our scientific community members are murdered in broad day light by foreign lobby assassins, And still their is no protection ..

Does all this goes so casually in Brazil, South Korea and China ?

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Fighers/strike aircraft proposed after Hf-24 Marut



Ground Attack Fighter, GAF-1 to be powered by Rolls Royce-Snecma M45, comparable to F4 Phantom. Turned down my MoD. Subsequent GAF-2 proposal with improvements also turned down.

The HAL design team went back to an improved Hf-24 Marut to minimise design risk. Not cleared.



Advanced Strike Aircraft ASA proposal met IAF's requirement, not cleared for prototyping.



HSS-73/HF-73 Hindustan Supersonic Strike aircraft proposed by MBB and HAL using Rolls Royce RB-199 engine used in Tornado. Dropped due to non clearance of engine.



Air Superiority fighter ASF-300. Engine was supposed to be Indian GTX or from Snecma. Proposal did not meet air staff requirements.

Return to a modernised Marut concept.



Hf-23M53, would have been comparable to Jaguar in payload and range. Not cleared. (The image might be of the earlier marut proposal)

Further improvement to Marut.



Result, HF-25 with a new engine. Also not cleared.

Had even a single one of these proposals approved, the design capabilities would not have been lost.

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HAL, country's dominant aeronautical manufacturer, aspires to make India an important aircraft manufacturer. Design and development of a basic trainer (HT-2) progressed impressively immediately after independence, followed by HF-24. "The D&D effort of HF 24 was however not taken forward due to various sins of commission and omission on the part of all stakeholders and especially for want of a suitable engine," said the report. Indian aerospace industry thus lost more than two decades, and started again from the drawing board stage with the LCA (light combat aircraft) programme.

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Lets be clear, The board does not have guts to finger out real culprits but the once already being abused ..
 
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Sad to read.

Let's just hope the new govt. and DM doesn't allow the sorry state of affairs continue
 

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A very unfortunate state of affairs.

A white elephant or is it an elephant in the room?
I know of instances when the Generals and the Babus instructed these agencies to downgrade their offer so that a foreign vendor could win. Lack of motivation and incentives is the reason behind the rot.
 

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I know of instances when the Generals and the Babus instructed these agencies to downgrade their offer so that a foreign vendor could win. Lack of motivation and incentives is the reason behind the rot.
Please enumerate such shady actions of the Generals and Babus.

Would be obliged.
 

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Please enumerate such shady actions of the Generals and Babus.

Would be obliged.
There was a "confidential" project which was compromised to let a Foreign supplier win the tender (related to Military Communication). DRDO had developed technology which was miles ahead of what was being offered by a foreign supplier. The budget was allocated and later the project was shown as failure.

I myself had worked on one such project after the Army had to deal with the overpriced third-rate foreign-supplied DUDs (related to Artillery).
 

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HF 24 design was a pace setter in those times.

Done by the famous Kurt Tank, who build the Focke-Wulf aircraft built for Germany during WWII

But the engine?

The first prototype flew on June 17, 1961, with a total of 147 aircraft built, including 18 two-seat HF-24 Mk 1Ts. The fighter was eventually short-closed because of an under-powered engine and a lack of foresight. The Marut continued in service with the Indian Air Force until the aircraft was decommissioned in 1985.

India entered the aviation business rather late. Seth Lalchand Hirachand established Hindustan Aircraft Limited (HAL) only in 1942. HAL's initial effort was to overhaul aircraft; but after Independence there was a boom in activity. HAL's first ever indigenously designed and built aircraft was the HT-2 piston engined trainer that flew in the late forties. The HT-2 was designed by a team led by Dr. V M Ghatge. Under Dr V M Ghatage's leadership, HAL developed and test flew HT 72, an ab initio trainer, in 1950. A large number of light aircraft such as the Pushpak and Krishak were developed and manufactured.

The troika of P Nilakantan, V M Ghatage and Satish Dhawan worked together on dozens of national aeronautical committees, and virtually wrote the country's aeronautical R&D agenda for the future. Ghatge held very strong views on the direction, level and pace at which the Indian aircraft industry should operate and these were at variance with those held by the policy makers of the day. His step-by-step approach to develop the day signified a definite stage in the design knowhow in the country did not find favor with government machinery as the operational arm of the defence services became more demanding and the ministry decided to rely heavily on licence production.

In the late fifties, the Government of India approved the launch of fighter aircraft development. This project was, however, assigned to a German team under Kurt Tank and many of the Indian designers trained and nurtured by Ghatge were transferred to this project. This caused a kind of split in the design department. This was a source of great unhappiness to Ghatge since he had assiduously developed a design team to take on more challenging tasks under him as the years rolled on. Later on, an integrated design organization was restructured at HAL but by then Ghatge had left HAL.

Dr. Kurt Tank, a contemporary of Willy Messerschmitt (the OTHER aviation genius of the twentieth century) was by far one of the most influential aircraft engineers to ever live. The Focke-Wulf Fw 190 is regarded as one of the best fighters of World War II. Designed by Kurt Tank, it first saw combat in the summer of 1941 and went on to be produced in several variants. At the end of WWII, Kurt Tank immigrated to Argentina.

Like many other German technicians, Kurt Tank continued his professional life in Latin America. The Argentine Government offered him a job at its aerotechnical institute, the Instituto Aerotécnico in Cordoba. He moved there, like many of his Focke-Wulf co-workers, in 1947. The Instituto Aerotécnico later became Argentina's military aeroplane factory, the Fábrica Militar de Aviones. There, Kurt Tank designed the Iae Pulqui II based on the Focke Wulf Ta183 design that had reached mock-up stage at the end of the war. It was a state-of-the-art design for its day, but the project was cancelled in 1953 due to Argentina's financial crisis. He followed up this design with the IAe.43 Pulqui III.

In January 1955 Kurt Tank's contract came to an end. He asked Argentine President Juan for an amount of money almost the double of what he had received under the former contract. Peron rejected that and Tank left. When Peron fell from power in 1955 the Focke-Wulf team dispersed, many to the United States.

In 1956 the Indian Air Force's request for a homeproduced fighter/bomber - forcefully promoted by the late Air Marshal S. Mukherji - received the backing of the then Defence Minister, Mahavir Tyagi. Accordingly a design team, headed by Dr Kurt Tank, former technical director of Focke-Wulf, started work on the design of India's - and perhaps Asia's - first supersonic fighter aircraft. In 1957, Prof Kurt Tank was invited by the Government of India to join Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) in Bangalore. Tank went to India with a smaller team than he worked with in Argentina, of eighteen German engineers and technicians, which number later dwindled to thirteen. The team initially consisted of 18 German engineers, three Indian senior design engineers and about 22 other Indian engineers with design experience. Given the small number of Germans in India, unlike the Argentinean experience, in India local engineers and technicians took responsibility for production engineering, tool design, and manufacturing activity leading to a successful international technology transfer.

Within 22 months glider trials were started to test in free flight the full-scale wings and fuselage which had already been model-tested in wind tunnels. Low-speed behaviour was explored in the tunnel of the Indian Institute of Science at Bangalore. The staff had further been increased by this time, the design team having grown to 80 Indians with the same complement of Germans. Assembly of the first prototype was started in April 1960, and it was finished in 11 months - an excellent period considering that HAL were dealing with an aircraft of such advanced design for the first time. In the words of the Indian Government, "It speaks volumes for the enthusiasm and zeal of the production engineers and the workmen."

In March 1961 the prototype, serial number BR462, was completed and ground trials were started. These trials are necessary to determine the ground handling qualities of a newly designed aircraft, and to check the functioning of various systems before undertaking the maiden flight. The latter came on June 24, 1961.

The HF 24 Marut, was a twin engine fighter-bomber designed to reach supersonic speeds. A photograph of a wind tunnel model of IAe.43 Pulqui III makes it very clear that the Marut was based very closely upon that design. The Marut Mk1 Fighter of 1964 was a single seat ground attack fighter with 4X30 mm guns, internal rocket launchers 4 underwing hard points for drop tanks/bombs/rockets. The HF-24 had highly swept wings, a needle nose and a graceful, area-ruled fuselage. It incorporates many advanced aerodynamic concepts which make its flying safe and easy at low speeds as well as at supersonic speeds.

While the elegant lines of the HF-24 Marut were clearly seen, the full potential of this exquisite design was never realised owing to under-powered engines.Power was provided by a pair of Bristol Siddeley Orpheus 703 turbojets, manufactured under licence by Hindustan Aircraft Ltd. HAL's Aero Engine Division were the first organization in Asia - outside the Communist countries - to manufacture an aircraft gas-turbine. The Orpheus licence was concluded in September 1956, when the Indian Government also procured a licence for the manufacture of the Folland Gnat Mk 1 fighter. The Gnat Mk 1 engine is the Orpheus 701, rated at 4,7001b thrust, and identical to the British-built unit. HAL's engine factory was completed early in 1959, the first Orpheus 701 came off the line on November 21, 1960, and type approval was granted by the Indian Defence Ministry nine months later.

Discussions between Bristol Siddeley and the Indian Government were held in 1960 and 1961 with a view to completing development of the Orpheus 12, or of continuing development of the much later BS.75 turbofan as a possible HF-24 powerplant. These talks did not lead to a satisfactory conclusion.

In 1961 the Soviet Government was approached to investigate the possibility of fitting the HF-24 with a Russian powerplant. Six RD-9F turbojets were imported by the Indian Government in 1961 and bench-tested in that year and in 1962. Ultimately it was concluded that these engines would not be the best answer. One reason for the decision was the fact that the development potential of the RD-9F could not be extended beyond about Mach 1.5 without changes in materials and other specifications, whereas the HF-24 was regarded as potentially a Mach 2 aircraft. Another reason was that the Indians found it impossible to obtain from the Soviet Union the necessary level of detailed information on manufacturing the RD-9F without which they could not have produced it themselves.

By 1963 the decision had been taken to adhere to the Orpheus 703 engine as the basic powerplant of the Maruta Mk 1, but to do everything possible to increase its performance. The Orpheus 703 reheat made use of Bristol Siddeley techniques and advice, but was basically a product of HAL's Engine Division and reflects that organization's steadily growing self-sufficiency. The Orpheus 703 Reheat, as the engine is known, had a maximum rating in the 6,500 to 7,0001b class. A three-squadron batch of the just-supersonic Maruta Mkl ground attacker was built with Hindustan-made Orpheus 703R engines, with an afterburner of HAL design. The Government was unwilling to sanction Rs 5 crores to Bristol Siddeley for development of the afterburning follow-on engine to the Orpheus 703 as its power plant.
In 1964 an Indian mission visited Cairo to assist in the flight testing of the Egyptian E-300 turbojet, developed by a team under the Austrian Prof Ferdinand Brandner, for the indigenous HA-300 fighter. Indian assistance centered on the supply of a Hindustan HF-24 Maruta airframe for flight testing the E-300. The Indian Government was interested in the Brandner engine as a possible powerplant for the planned supersonic Maruta Mk2. By late 1964 there were reports that an agreement had been signed whereby the two countries will jointly produce a supersonic fighter. India would make the airframes and the UAR the engines. It would not appear illogical for the combination to be continued in production, as the Indian airframe is more capable than the UAR's HA-300.

The HF-24 could not achieve its designed performance without a more powerful engine, causing serious setback to the fighter's development and for that matter, the future of developing a substantially self reliant aircraft industry. In this situation, the Air Force continued to buy outright or take up licenced production (through HAL) of aircraft needed by them.

Delay in availability of the HAL-designed HF-24 Marut for the ground attack fighter mission led, in 1966, to the IAF evaluating and the Government purchasing the Sukhoi Su-7BM, deliveries of which from the Soviet Union were to commence in March 1968, with No.26 Squadron being the first of a half-dozen squadrons that were to operate the type. Numerically predominating in the fighter inventory by 1968 was the Gnat, equipping eight squadrons; six squadrons were equipped with the Hunter, a further four on the MiG-21FL and two on the Mystere IVA. Two squadrons fulfilled the photo-recce fighter role with adapted Vampire T Mk. 55s and one squadron was operating the HF-24 Marut.

The first of the production Marut trainers on order was delivered to the IAF by late November 1974. The tandem-seating HF-24 Mk.1T trainer could well have fulfilled the advanced jet training requirement of the IAF.

The Mk.II prototypes had completed all flight testing required (over 300 test flights) by the end of 1974. The HF-24 Mk-II proposal was virtually rejected by 1974, as the Indian Air Force had not confirmed its initial interest in the afterburning Orpheus 703. HAL have submitted proposals for the Mark III, or HF-73, and this aircraft would reportedly exhaust the growth potential of the HF-24. The HF-73 would have maximum hardware commonality with the HF-24 and if GOI sanction is received within 1974, the aircraft was envisaged as entering squadron service in 1981-2.

Given the limited number of Marut units, most Marut squadrons were considerably over-strength for the duration of their lives. According to Brian de Magray, at peak strength No.10 Squadron had on charge 32 Maruts, although the squadron probably did not hold a unit-establishment of more than 16. All in all, the Marut squadrons acquitted themselves very well in the 1971 war. The Marut, as an aircraft, was shown to be tough and capable. No aircraft were ever lost in air-to-air combat. However, 4 were lost to ground fire and two were lost on the ground. The Maruts were in the thick of it, right through the fighting on the western front, and the Squadrons ended the war with a total of three Vir Chakras.

The next requirement to be met in the mid-1970s was for a Tactical Air Strike Aircraft (TASA). With the various development programs to enhance the operational performance of the HF-24 Marut by HAL abandoned for one reason or the other, the Government of India concluded an agreement with the Soviet Union for the MiG-23 variable-sweep fighter. Four squadrons, then flying the HF-24 and Sukhoi Su-7 were re-equipped with the MiG-23BN and induction into IAF service of this swing-wing fighter.

Development of the HF-24 underlined the importance of developing engines as an essential precursor for fighter aircraft development. One of the consequences of the HF-24 development program was the awareness that if India did not have a strong R&D base, it would not be possible to achieve any self-reliance. This awareness resulted during the late 1950s in creation of the Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) and the Gas Turbine Research Establishment (GTRE) under the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DR&DO), as also the National Aeronautical Laboratories (NAL) under the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR), being the R&D organisations to back aircraft development activities in HAL.

Along with development of the HF-24 was proceeding under Kurt Tank, HAL took on the concurrent responsibility for design, development and series production of the jet trainer HJT-16 Kiran. This was the first major attempt made by HAL to design and develop a jet aircraft on its own without any foreign assistance in its design.

As the sixties translated to the seventies, the IAF consolidated its expansion plans, attaining its 45-squadron goal. Obsolescent equipment was steadily withdrawn to be succeeded by increasing numbers of HF-24s, MiG-21FLs and SU-7BMs. Indian planners anticipated that any future war with Pakistan would be a high-intensity, short-duration affair (partly because of diplomatic intervention by third parties).

Consequently, the IAF developed a powerful tactical strike force to facilitate rapid advances by ground elements. Offensive air support would be furnished by MiG-23BN and MiG-27 squadrons, augmented by the MiG-21M Fishbed-J and Ajeet (an upgraded version of the British Gnat). As of the mid-1980s aging Hawker Hunter Mk 56 and Sukhoi Su-7 fighter-bombers were being removed from the inventory.
The HF-24 Marut served until 1985. The various development programs to enhance the operational performance of the HF-24 Marut by HAL were abandoned for one reason or the other. The Government of India concluded an agreement with the Soviet Union for the MiG-23 variable-sweep fighter to meet the Tactical Air Strike Aircraft (TASA) requirement. Four squadrons, then flying the HF-24 and Sukhoi Su-7 were re-equipped with the MiG-23BN.

Initiating an indigenous design and development of an aircraft or a helicopter requires large amount of funds. It is not feasible for HAL to initiate a major project without the firming up of specification and requirement by the domestic customer and funding by the customer/Government. HAL was not entrusted with any major new design and development project of fighter aircraft after the HF-24 (Marut). Developmental activity resumed only in the 1980's.
HF-24 Marut
 

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There was a "confidential" project which was compromised to let a Foreign supplier win the tender (related to Military Communication). DRDO had developed technology which was miles ahead of what was being offered by a foreign supplier. The budget was allocated and later the project was shown as failure.

I myself had worked on one such project after the Army had to deal with the overpriced third-rate foreign-supplied DUDs (related to Artillery).
Mention the details.

Sure interested in which technology the DRDO developed which was way ahead of all.

Artillery has USSR equipment.

105 IFG was India's own. The Autofrettage was poor since those were the days of load shedding and the Kanpur factory had deadlines to meet. Some guns failed and there were cases of barrels bursting and so it did not find its rightful place.

if you have worked on Projects of the DRDO, could you check as to why the BFSR for the Infantry or the Boreclap could not be reverse engineered/ designed and then when it was accepted, the records were fudged to show as if it was after the Kargil War, teh requirement of the BFSR was realised?

I am aware the the first BFSR was offered from trials in IIRC 1980 and it was not even soldier proof having failed the Drop Test or could not differentiate a tank from rustling leaves in the wind and could not be reversed engineered based on a 1950 vintage US BFSR.

Or even produce such a simple thing as a Kitchen Lorry?

Note I am not talking of any high tech stuff, but real mundane stuff that they could not produce even though they had no dearth of funds or foreign products to relolicate.
 
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Mention the details.

Sure interested in which technology the DRDO developed which was way ahead of all.
Like I said, DRDO was forced to wrap the project up and throw it into dustbin to make way for a foreign supplier. I won't say anything more on a public forum. Many of the shiny equipment have been found to be DUD on arrival and Army is forced to scavenge to keep things working.
 

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Like I said, DRDO was forced to wrap the project up and throw it into dustbin to make way for a foreign supplier. I won't say anything more on a public forum. Many of the shiny equipment have been found to be DUD on arrival and Army is forced to scavenge to keep things working.
OK which foreign eqpt was found to be DUDs.

That much you can always say.
 

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Mention the details.

Sure interested in which technology the DRDO developed which was way ahead of all.

Artillery has USSR equipment.

105 IFG was India's own. The Autofrettage was poor since those were the days of load shedding and the Kanpur factory had deadlines to meet. Some guns failed and there were cases of barrels bursting and so it did not find its rightful place.

if you have worked on Projects of the DRDO, could you check as to why the BFSR for the Infantry or the Boreclap could not be reverse engineered/ designed and then when it was accepted, the records were fudged to show as if it was after the Kargil War, teh requirement of the BFSR was realised?

I am aware the the first BFSR was offered from trials in IIRC 1980 and it was not even soldier proof having failed the Drop Test or could not differentiate a tank from rustling leaves in the wind and could not be reversed engineered based on a 1950 vintage US BFSR.

Or even produce such a simple thing as a Kitchen Lorry?

Note I am not talking of any high tech stuff, but real mundane stuff that they could not produce even though they had no dearth of funds or foreign products to relolicate.
Other officers I know had gripes about DRDO being unable to provide a decent waterproof rucksack because of which when it rained soldiers would have the additional burden of carrying wet bedding . If you listen to their stories of as you said how simple mundane stuff is designed or made so poorly , the reason for the armies reluctance to have anything to do with DRDO designed equipment becomes pretty obvious.
 

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Other officers I know had gripes about DRDO being unable to provide a decent waterproof rucksack because of which when it rained soldiers would have the additional burden of carrying wet bedding . If you listen to their stories of as you said how simple mundane stuff is designed or made so poorly , the reason for the armies reluctance to have anything to do with DRDO designed equipment becomes pretty obvious.
When it comes to domestic suppliers they want to pay 1 Rs for the stuff they would happily pay 100 Rs to a foreign supplier and then they cry about the low quality.
 

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When it comes to domestic suppliers they want to pay 1 Rs for the stuff they would happily pay 100 Rs to a foreign supplier and then they cry about the low quality.
Then let domestic suppliers make things of good quality and charge 100 rupees then no one will cry . Until that happens no one can fault the military for sourcing adequate equipment from abroad .
Even in countries with state run defence industries the military usually can choose between competing design bureaus . Only the Indian military is stuck with DRDO ..
 

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I have heard II Corps and the XIV corps complaining about a few. Ask them.
Which Coprs Cdrs? The present ones?

Just mention the equipment.

I have also experience with DRDO.

I have also experience with User Trials.

I am sure you would have heard that some people complain about even the INSAS.

When it comes to domestic suppliers they want to pay 1 Rs for the stuff they would happily pay 100 Rs to a foreign supplier and then they cry about the low quality.
Tested equipment vs DRDO hyped indigenous eqpt.

I, for one, would prefer maybe overpowered Jonga to the underpowered Gypsy especially in the mountains and high altitude. I have had rather sad experience with the Gypsies in the higher reaches of Sikkim.

But then the Jonga is a guzzler.

Mercedes Unimog was a failure for India, while our indigenous trucks are very reliable and likeable.
 
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Navy should teach a lesson or two to Army and Airforce on how to sucessfully handle projects with DRDO. BTW,yesterday Arihant did its sucessfull surface sortie yesterfday. Congrats DRDO and L & T.

BTW Navy is handling Tejas Mk-II and has invested 900 crores in it.So Matheswaran and his co can be rest assured that LCA tejas will reach its destination.
 

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UNPROFESSIONAL...FOR TRUE, but what is new in it.almost every public industry is unorganized and failure in terms of monetary gains..its because they employ those who donot belong to it (thanks god to quota system), then they work like any govt servant to ...come note the attendance...sit in office and go to home.
whatever the DRDo or hal have achieved are by virtue of just few hard working people....rest of them are there to take their salary and kick back.
there will be no improvement in the situation untill and unless the govt starts paying them for their work done........
 

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IAF diluted al least 12 benchmarks for trainer aircraft

Retired Air Chief Marshal S P Tyagi, former Indian Air Force (IAF) head, faces a Central Bureau of Investigation chargesheet for allegedly diluting a single specification of the VVIP helicopter that India was buying.

In the Air Staff Qualitative Requirements (ASQR), the helicopter's service ceiling was lowered from 6,000 to 4,500 metres. This made the AW-101 helicopter eligible and its Anglo-Italian manufacturer, AgustaWestland, bagged the euro 556 million (Rs 4,377 crore) IAF contract for 12 helicopters.

That violation, now under investigation, is dwarfed in the IAF's purchase of the Pilatus PC-7 Mark II basic trainer aircraft (BTA), where at least 12 benchmarks were changed between March and October 2009, including some relating to pilot safety. These allowed the PC-7 Mark II, fielded by Swiss company Pilatus, to qualify and win an IAF order worth $640 million (Rs 3,780 crore) for 75 BTA.

Business Standard is in possession of the documents relating to this case. Asked for comments, the IAF has chosen not to respond.

The documents reveal that up to September 29, 2009, Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL) was indigenously developing 181 BTA for the IAF, dubbed the Hindustan Turbo Trainer–40 (HTT–40). On March 5, 2009, IAF laid down stringent performance benchmarks, dubbed Preliminary Air Staff Qualitative Requirements or PSQR.

These began getting diluted in September 2009, when the ministry of defence (MoD) permitted IAF to import 75 BTA through a global tender. Within days, the IAF issued a relaxed ASQR, in a document numbered ASQR 18/09. While the Pilatus PC-7 Mark II would not have met the earlier PSQR formulated for HAL, the new ASQR seem almost tailored for Pilatus.

Among the 12 dilutions Business Standard has identified, the most worrisome is doing away with the requirement for a 'zero-zero ejection seat'. This allows pilots to eject even from a stationary aircraft on the ground (zero altitude, zero speed). The October 2009 ASQR does not require a zero-zero ejection seat. Since the PC-7 Mk II has 'zero-60' ejection seats, i.e. the aircraft must be moving at 60 knots (110 kmph), dropping the earlier requirement made it eligible for the IAF contract.

The PSQR of March 2009 required the BTA to have a pressurised cockpit, letting the trainee fly at altitudes above 15-20,000 feet. But the ASQR of October 2009 dispensed with this. The PC-7 Mark II has an unpressurised cockpit.

Also diluted was the requirement for good external vision from the instructor's rear cockpit, a crucial attribute in a BTA. The PSQR of March 2009 mandated a field of view of 'minus eight degree vision' for the rear cockpit. The ASQR of October 2009 dispensed with it, specifying only, "the rear cockpit should be sufficiently raised to allow safe flight instruction". The PC-7 Mark II, which does not meet the eight-degree specification, became eligible.

'Glide ratio' is another important attribute for a light, single-engine aircraft. The glide ratio of 12:1 specified in the March 2009 PSQR meant the trainer could glide, in the event of an engine failure or shutdown, a distance of 12 km for every one km of altitude that it lost. Which would enable a BTA flying at an altitude of five km to glide for 60 km, landing safely at any airport within that distance. But the October 2009 ASQR relaxed the glide-ratio requirement to 10:1. That is precisely the glide-ratio of the Pilatus PC-7 Mark II.

The ASQR of October 2009 also relaxed the requirement for 'in-flight simulation'. This permits the instructor in the rear cockpit to electronically simulate instrument failures, training the rookie pilot to handle an emergency. The PSQR of March 2009 required this facility; the HTT-40 being developed by HAL also has these. The PC-7 Mark II does not and the relaxation of this condition made it eligible for the IAF tender.

Other relaxations that made the Pilatus trainer eligible include increasing the take-off distance from 700 to 1,000 metres and reducing maximum speed from 475 kmph to 400 kmph.

On Monday, this newspaper had reported (Indian Air Force at war with Hindustan Aeronautics; wants to import, not build, a trainer) about a personal letter earlier this month from Air Chief Marshal N A K Browne, the present IAF chief, to Defence Minister A K Antony, asking for HAL's trainer project to be scrapped and another 106 PC-7 Mark II trainers be imported from Pilatus, a purchase that will benefit the Swiss company by an estimated $800 million (Rs 4,750 crore).

Browne's involvement with the basic trainer dates back several years. From March 2007 to May 2009, he was Deputy Chief of Air Staff (DCAS) at IAF headquarters, handling all acquisitions. Four months after he handed over to Air Marshal N V Tyagi (not to be confused with the former IAF chief, S P Tyagi), the IAF issued the ASQR, with the relaxations that benefited Pilatus.

Asked for comments, N V Tyagi told Business Standard the PSQR of March 2009 set unrealistically high standards for HAL to meet. These were lowered in the October 2009 ASQR because the IAF was going for global procurement. Lower standards would bring in more vendors and generate competition.

Says Tyagi, "The earlier PSQRs matched the performance of the Embraer Super Tucano, which many IAF officers considered a good trainer. But the IAF didn't believe that HAL could build such a trainer quickly. After a series of HPT-32 crashes (then the IAF's basic trainer), it was decided in September 2009 to buy 75 basic trainers from the global market. Fresh QRs were framed in order to bring as many vendors as possible into the tender."

The question remains — why were exacting standards set for a HAL-built trainer lowered when it came to an international purchase?
 

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Says Tyagi, "The earlier PSQRs matched the performance of the Embraer Super Tucano, which many IAF officers considered a good trainer.
Why IAF gave specs of Super Tucano to HAL?? What is the justification? Why a lower specs plane could not meet rooky pilot training requirement??

We need to put IAF chief into the box and ask this question?

The country needs rational and reasonable people at the top. Why this profligacy? India is not a rich country that it needs the costliest trainer that money can buy.
 

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