Unmanned Combat Ground Vehicle For Indian Army

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  1. Kunal Biswas

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    Daksh robot to get more teeth
    Developed to handle explosives and IEDs, remotely operated vehicle will soon have weapons, more power, night vision

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    Terrorists fighting the army in insurgency-hit areas will soon have to face a new combatant that they cannot kill. The Research and Development Establishment (R&DE), Dighi, is developing a weaponised version of the 'bomb hunter' Daksh robot specifically for fighting militants alongside soldiers.

    The R&DE is one of the several laboratories of the Defence Research Development Organization (DRDO),.country's premier weapons maker. The Remotely Operated Vehicle (ROV) Daksh was originally developed for handling bombs like Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) and officially inducted into the army in December last year.

    Christened Gun Mounted Robot (GMR), it will have a 7.62 mm light machine gun with 'belt-fed ammunition' and a 30 mm grenade launcher. The GMR will not only pack lethal firepower but will also have night vision and thermal imaging equipment.

    Dr. Alok Mukherjee, who heads the Robotics Development Center of R&DE, said that the robot could replace soldiers in sensitive locations in insurgency-hit areas thereby minimising human losses. "The original platform, which carried the Daksh was too slow for a weaponised version. So we designed a much faster and silent electrical engine that is four times powerful than the original. The batteries will also be replaced with newly developed ones which can last longer along with the range which will be increased to 1km from 0.5 km," Mukherjee said.

    He, however, refused to divulge technical and performance details of the engine citing security reasons. 2 varieties of tyres GMR will also have two types of tyres, one for urban environment and the other will be pneumatic tyres for crosscountry terrains. However, the notable feature is not the weapons but the Target Tracking System where the guns can move in direction of a moving target after 'locking on' with the camera. "We are trying to enhance the accuracy of the TTS and fine-tuning the integration with the camera so that it cannot miss fast moving targets," he said.

    R&DE has already completed the prototype version and it will be another 2 years until the final product is ready after a series of tests and alterations. "We are open to selling the robot to paramilitary and other state police forces," he said.


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    All is good but few major things they missed..


    1. Wheel is faster but not good under firefight, Tracks are good solution over off-road as well as normal and can take hits..

    2. The vehicle need to have a Diesel engine to power its electric Motors and electronics, IC engine will power batt and batt will power every thing..

    3. Vehicle needed to be bigger not smaller, A man of height of 5feet 7 inches can hide behind it,

    4. Its Weaponry & Optics should be protected by metal shields.




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    This should also be greatly increased.
     
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    The present model is prototype, new chassis with IC engines will enhance its range more..
     
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    Black Night UGCV
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    to increase range we can also look at relay bots. which increase range. Its also done for UAVs
     
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    are these different versions of Daksh or entirely different Robots..?
     
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    Same robot, the last one was during packing..
     
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    It actually looks like a good development.
     
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    Talon MAARS robot

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    There is not many competition, But talon have eyes in Indian sector so when there is a RFI for UGCV..

    We may see this one against DRDO one..
     
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    DRDO begins testing gun-mounted robot

    February 21, 2012: After the success of the Daksh ordnance disposal and surveillance robotic vehicle that was recently inducted into the Army, and receiving good reviews from the user, DRDO laboratory R&D(E) has finished prototyping a combat robot codenamed GMR (gun-mounted robot), that it intends to offer to the Army, paramilitary forces and police forces in the next two years. ( 2013 or 2014 ) First displayed at Def Expo 2010, the GMR has now matured enough for development trials in simulated scenarios.

    The robot's primary weapon will be an indigenous remotely operated 7.62-mm gun along with a grenade launcher. DRDO scientists, in cooperation with academic institutions and private incubation firms, are confident that the GMR will be comparable with similar systems already deployed by the US forces, especially in Iraq. Fitted with sensors for around-the-corner targetting and damage assessment, the GMR will be offered in both tracked and wheeled variants. The GMR and Daksh are only two of a substantial list of robotic vehicles being developed in-house. The most ambitious of these is a full-sized remote-controlled armoured vehicle. Last year, the DRDO even held a nationwide competition to pick the best unmanned ground vehicle developed by academic institutes across the country. Technologies from these will be infused into future programmes.

    Source : DRDO begins testing gun mounted robot - SP's Land Forces
     
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    Yes wheels are not good for firefight in head on condition and off-road capability also decreases as compared to tracked vehicles but they have few negative points which includes much more noise generation and are much heavier, this robot is designed to assist military personals and not to replace them.........these are designed for silent and surprise attack.

    Again diesel engines generate lot more noise and are heavier, for that you need heavier platform, means you need to increase the size .......which will result in easy spotting by enemy force(in this case terrorists).

    Similar reason, bigger the platform, less chances to hide and surprise your enemy, plus they are not to protect solders but lead them so that solders can operate them from safe distance.

    Yes I agree, need to protect critical components especially sensors like camera and other tracking devices.
     
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    I wont be replying the rest, But first on what your argument is based on ..

    I wanted to know where it is written or said by DRDO that its design for silent and suprise attack with a MMG and an AGL ..

     
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    No need to explain it to person like you that its the military who puts up the requirement.

    For counter-insurgency and jungle-warfare you need silent UGV's.

    DRDO plans 500-cr unmanned vehicle project for Indian Army - Times Of India

    This report is 2 years old but hope this will clear why I said that our immediate requirement are silent UGV's, which will be developed into full fledged combat vehicles in near future.
     
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    There is no where it said what you are saying, It is your assumption that you are taking it as a fact and putting a official tag to it without proper links, It is also your thinking that such UCGV of that size and armament have to be silent for CT and for Jungle warfare, Where as the link was mentioning variety of other UGV not the DRDO UCGV ..

    There is no where mention of GSQR for UCGV, Nor any of the link suggest, So does what you quoted says about UAV for NSG and Paramilitary they are not talking abt UGV, What you suggested its your own conclusion of the matter, Not Official words ..

    Continue as you were ..

     
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    This thing is not made for real wars!! But rather a RC toy fitted with guns etc for the use of CT ops, where the army can sneak it inside a house or inside enemy's area where a few terrorists are hiding behind a wall/bushes.

    It has got 200 meter range only tells that Soldiers will always be very close to place where they will be operating it. In real wars enemy will most likely already know the presence of our troops(when they are so near) and they will be alert for such kind of thing, may be after a taking first few surprises bullets, news will spread fast among enemy.

    Also I have serious doubt that if this can aim and fire even at 20% efficiency of a trained soldier, because the operator will be using a remote and will not have a situational awareness(from eye one can easily spot certain objects, but with a camera, one needs to find that thing on a tiny LCD screen)/quick reaction in aiming via hand would really not match the mechanical rotor. (the difference is like when you play a shooting computer game using a mouse you can get the cursor from one end to another in one mouse stroke, but while playing with gamepad, you need to press the up/down, right/left button and it goes a with a constant speed.)

    Now coming to wheels, @Kunal Biswas, I think for the vehicle of this size, wheels are better options. Because when it is so light, ground pressure will not really matter with six wheels, as the stress on the ground will not be high, and it should work well even in muddy/sandy situation(which they should have already tested). For such small vehicle using tracks means, most probably we have to go with the rubber tracks, as metal track at such small size will not really offer anything extra, except for reducing the efficiency, Small arm bullets against this size, will act similar to what an actual tank track will behave when hit by another tank gun. So if track gets broken by a bullet hit, vehicle will get disabled. Also there a good possibility of small objects such as stones or small wood sticks coming in between tracks and wheels and it will make the whole thing stuck. For wheels even the front 2 are hit or even if all are hit by bullets, as long as they keep rotating, it will move, because it is light and there is no risk of getting someone killed, meaning operator can call it back slowly(also I assume that the wheels at this size will use solid rubber like in toys, not tubes/tire combo).

    Making a bigger machine with more capability will put it into a totally different category altogether, i. e. for the actual war, but for that range needs to be increase many folds with front and side armor protection from atleast 20-30mm gun and with a capable gun, and when it becomes heavy due above said things, then tracks too.

    One thing that I would like for such small vehicles is to be able to raise height of the 7.62 mm gun when required via remote control(may be by 20cm). Because when operating there are good chances that small objects or ground pot holes or small up and down level for ground will obstruct its vision or may provide better cover, so having that capability will have many use, similar to how a soldier takes cover while lying down, but fires by raising his hand/head only.
     
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    You have missed the context of my post, Do read the first page ..

    Few things which are incorrect in your post >

    1. The system is design to fight infantry, Let it be troops or terrorist in regular or irregular warfare..
    2. RCWS are very capable system, Can engage targets accurately with 50cal ..

    Rest are you view on the subject ..

     
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