Understanding Islam

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  1. chex3009

    chex3009 Regular Member

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    DFI'tes - Creating this thread as I could not find other threads pointing to this topic. It is very important to understand this most PEACEFUL religion in the world.

    It not, please move to appropriate thread.

     
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    sasum Atheist but not Communists. Senior Member

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    That says all. Yet another thread on Islamic propaganda. Your DP depicts a scene from Mahabharata. First change it to Muhammad, then preach.
     
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    I believe you haven't watched this video. I am not here to preach. Shared this video to enlighten folks who fall for PISSFOOL taqqiya on daily basis.
     
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    I am sorry but your style resembled numerous propaganda material available on Vine, Facebook, YouTube etc. We need not be subtle to criticise this crazy cult..just be blunt :biggrin2:
     
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    Muslims use an endless list of fallacious and silly arguments in their defence of indefensible Islam. Here is a list of those:

    ‘Out of Context’ Argument

    When one raises questions about verses of the Quran or Muhammad’s actions from the hadith, all Muslims—be it mullahs or educated moderate ones—parrot only one thing in defence: ‘You are talking out of context’, ‘please find out under what circumstances Muhammad did so’, ‘there must be some reason for that’ and so on. But they themselves will never try to find out those contexts or circumstances under which Muhammad did so many malicious things, or nonsensical or violence-inciting verses were revealed. And when you show them the context of verses from the tafsirs, which often make Islam appear even more evil and atrocious, they immediately change tune to claim that ‘this verse is allegorical’ and on the worst scenario, they would say ‘this verse is sarcastic’. Just imagine that the creator of the universe is talking in allegorical or sarcastic terms for guiding humanity through His divine scripture.


    ‘Circular Logic’ Argument.........

    Whenever one asks Muslims to prove their religion and prophet to be true, all of them answer in a similar and very absurd and illogical way. They explain:

    Muslim: Muhammad is a true prophet because the Quran says so.

    Inquirer: What is the evidence that the Quran is true and divine?

    Muslim: The Quran is true because Allah says so.

    Inquirer: How do you to be certain that Allah is the true God and the Quran is His divine words?

    Muslim: Allah is the true God because Muhammad said so.

    Inquirer: And how do you know what Muhammad was true?

    Muslim: Muhammad is true because the Quran says so.

    This is called circular logic, proving something from its own source. It is like saying: I am the God, and the evidence for this is that I am saying so. Remember, no one trust something that the claimer himself says. He has to prove himself either with evidences or with reason. The source of the Quran and Allah is only one and that source is Muhammad. Muhammad himself is claiming everything, and there is no evidence whatsoever that those claims are true and credible. Any thug and imposter can claim something in these ways. That doesn’t make that claim true. Not only that, whenever Muslims try to validate or justify any instruction or law of the Quran or of Islam—like the benefit of veil or growing beard or anything else—they give Quranic evidence in support of their claims, even to non-believers of the Quran. How foolish these behaviours are!

    ‘This is Not Islam’ Argument

    Whenever pointed to evil acts committed by a Muslim, Islamic group or Islamic nation in the name of Islam, another excuse Muslims offer in Islam’s defence is: ‘This is not Islam’, ‘This has nothing to do with Islam’, ‘Nowhere does Islam command one to do so’. Be it 9/11 or 26/11 terror attacks or a condemnable act like the shooting of young girl Malala Yousufzai by Pakistani Taleban, their answer is always the same: “This is not Islam” to which is routinely added another excuse, “This must a ploy of the Jews and the West to defame Islam”.

    Whenever something bad is done by Muslims, Muslims countries—immediately Muslims will blindly say the following:

    Iran, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia’s political and social fallacies has nothing to do with real Islamic country.

    The Taliban's destruction of Buddhist antiquities has nothing to do with real Islam.

    The Taliban shot fourteen years old Malala Yousufzai for promoting girls’ education in Pakistan and killing six polio vaccinators of Pakistan from UN have nothing to do with real Islam.

    The forcible conversion of helpless Christians in Indonesia has nothing to do with real Islam.

    The genocide being perpetrated in Sudan by the Islamists in Khartoum has nothing to do with real Islam.

    Bomb-blasts in Mosques of Pakistan, Iran and Iraq; has nothing to do with Islam.

    The unwillingness of the Saudi authorities to allow women to drive has nothing to do with real Islam.

    The sectarian violence in Pakistan between Sunni and Shiite has nothing to do with real Islam.

    The practice of female genital mutilation by Muslims all over North Africa, Middle East, Pakistan, Indonesia etc. have nothing to do with real Islam.

    Having $€ x with slave girls in Saudi Arabia has nothing to do with real Islam

    Women oppression and inequality with men has nothing to do with real Islam.

    The decapitations of the inhabitants of entire villages by jihadists in Algeria have nothing to do with real Islam.

    Acts of terror committed frequently around the world in the name of Islam have nothing to do with real Islam.

    The Hadiths depicting Muhammad (pbuh) as a pedophilic, murderous, thief have nothing to do with real Islam.

    The verses in the Quran and Hadiths justifying the slaughter of the Banu Qurayza by Allah's Apostle (pbuh) have nothing to do with real Islam.

    They will keep adding such excuse after excuse such that it would appear: Islam itself has nothing to do with “real” Islam.
     
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    Nutshell of Hate book&Pedo Terrorist Prophut

    1]Kill any one who insults Islam or Moham-mad. (Koran.33;57-61).
    2) Kill all Muslims who leave Islam. (Koran.2;217/4;89/Bukhari.9;84-57).
    3) Koran can not be doubted. (Koran.2;1).
    4) Islam is the only acceptable religion. (Koran.3;85).
    5) Muslims must fight (jihad) to non-Muslims, even if they don't want to. (Koran.2;216).
    6) We the non-Muslims are pigs and apes. (Koran. 2;62-65/Koran.5;59-60/Koran.7;166).
    7) We the non-Muslims cannot be friends with Muslims. (Koran.5;51).
    8)We the non-Muslims sworn enemies of Muslims and Islam. (Koran.4;101).
    9) We the non-Muslims can be raped as sex slave. (Koran.4;3 & 24/5;89/23;5/33;50/58;3/70;30).
    10) We the non-Muslims the vilest of creatures deserving no mercy. (Koran.98;6).
    11) Muslim must terrorized us (non-Muslims). (Koran.8;12 &59-60/ Bukhari)


    Religion, no... It is nothing but a cult!!

    Lets consider:While Jews, Christians, Conservatives, Patriots and Constitutionalists will protest and sue... Muslims will bomb, burn, rape, shoot and/or behead anyone who says anything contrary to Islam. Most Muslims claim that Islam is a “religion of peace,” but far too many passages in the Qur'an clearly refute that allegation:

    Koran 2:191 --- “Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them.”
    Koran 3:28 ---- “Muslim must not take the infidels as friends.”
    Koran 2:191 -- “Any religion other thanIslam is not acceptable.”
    Koran 5:33 --- “Maim and crucify the infidelsif they criticize Islam.”
    Koran 8:12 --- “Terrorize and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Koran.”
    Koran 8:60 --- “Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorize the infidels.”
    Koran 8:65 ---- “The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them.”
    Koran 9:5 ----- “When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you find them.”
    Koran 9:30 ---- “The Jews and Christians are perverts; fight them.”
    Koran 9:123 -- “Make war on the infidels living in your neighborhood.”
    Koran 22:19 -- “Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water, melt their skin and bellies.”
    Koran 47:4 ---- “Do not search for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them.”
     
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    Mohammad’s schizophrenic disorder

    Depicting a psychological profile of Mohammad has been, because of the Quran’s many mistakes, incomprehensible verses, contradictions, inconsistencies, fallacies, errors, and absurdities, a central issue for those who have been researching on Islam. As examples, I mention two classic scholars: Aloy Sprenger, in his fascinating three-volume work about Mohammad and Islam (das Leben und die Lehre des Muhammed), categorizes Mohammad as having suffered from hysteria.

    He then goes through hallucinations that could emerge by hunger, thirst, loneliness and religious enthusiasm. He explains over 60 pages, based on psychological knowledge at that time, with the help of single case stories and examples from newspaper to prove his diagnosis. It is very much likely that he would have come to the correct diagnosis if the disorder schizophrenia were known at that time.
    While the second German edition of his work was released in 1869, the disease was first identified, and classified as a discrete mental illness into different categories by Dr. Emil Kräpelin in his Psychiatric Compendium in the 1887; he named it "dementia praecox” (Precocious/ early dementia) to distinguish it from other forms of dementia (such as Alzheimer’s disease,) which typically occur late in life. It was Dr. Eugen Bleuler, who coined the term, "schizophrenia" in 1911.
    Another scholar, Theodor Nöldke, expresses his assessment in an article with the title, "Quran, an introductory essay”. He writes, "In his [Mohammad’s] early career, sometimes perhaps in its later stages also, many revelations must have burst from him in uncontrollable excitement, so that he could not possibly regard them otherwise than as divine inspirations… There may have been many a revelation of this kind which no one ever heard but himself, as he repeated it to himself in the silent of the night (Q73:4).”

    Ali Dashti explains the situation as follows, "The impression conveyed by the Quran is that a hidden voice in Mohammad’s soul or subconscious mind was continually impelling him to guide the people, restraining him from lapses, and providing him with solutions to problems. (23-years, pp. 150-151).

    In recent years, Ali Sina is the only one I know who has performed a comprehensive research about Mohammad’s psychological make up. However, he dedicates less than one page on the subject that "Muhammad may have also suffered from schizophrenia”. He attributes all the hallucinations and delusions Muhammad experienced to his Temporal Lob epilepsy.

    Schizophrenia

    Schizophrenia is a disorder characterized by a profound disruption in cognition and emotion, affecting the most fundamental human attributes: language, thoughts, perception and affect. Its course is difficult to study because it does not follow a single pathway and varies considerably from person to person. Some individuals experience periods of acute psychotic symptoms and remission, others have a relatively stable course, while some show a progressive worsening associated with moderate to severe disability.

    Schizophrenia develops gradually with a prepsychotic stage, also known as the prodromal phase or prodrome. This is the period of time from the first change in a person until development of the first frank psychotic symptoms. The length of the prodromal phase varies from patient to patient and can last between a few weeks to few years. The person slowly withdraws from family, friends, and society, exhibits different sleeping patterns than usual, becomes preoccupied with odd ideas, religion, or philosophy, and can be excessively suspicious. (S. f. ex. Psychological & mental health disorders, or schizophrenia.com, or omnimedicalresearch.com).

    At the end of his thirtieth year, Mohammad started being pensive and depressed. It seemed, the good life without being pushed around to work had shown its limits and he preferred a more solitary and retiring lifestyle. His favorite place was a cave in the declivities at the foot of Mount Hira, a lofty conical hill, three-four kilometers north of Mecca. This prepsychotic or prodromal stage in Mohammad’s schizophrenic development has by Islamic scholars been the subject of one interpretation: Mohammad was supposed to be meditating in that cave, and in one of those occasions, the Angel Gabriel was supposed to appear and start delivering the revelations.

    In the this essay, I am going to follow Mohammad’s behavior based on the Islamic History (hadith and sira) and Qura, and try to explain it by means of the psychological knowledge.
    Based on the constellation of symptoms present, one may classify any given case of schizophrenia into one of following 5 subtypes: Different subtypes of schizophrenia are defined according to the most significant and predominant characteristics present in each person at each point in time. The result is that one person may be diagnosed with different subtypes over the course of his illness.

    • Paranoid schizophrenia – the patient feels extremely suspicious, persecuted, grandiose, and has auditory and/or visual hallucination, or a combination of these experiences. • Disorganized schizophrenia – This subtype of schizophrenia is marked by significant regression to primitive, uninhibited, and disorganized behavior. Thumb-sucking, howling like a wolf, temper tantrums, creation of pornographic art and unreasonably strong cravings to suckle a female’s breast are characteristic of this type. The patient may not have delusions.

    • Catatonic schizophrenia – the patient is withdrawn, mute, negative and often assumes very unusual postures. Alternatively, activity can dramatically increase, a state known as catatonic excitement.

    • Residual schizophrenia – the patient displays no longer delusion or hallucinating, but has no motivation or interest in life. This type commonly displays emotional bluntness, social withdrawal, illogical thinking, eccentric behavior or mild loosening of association.

    • Undifferentiated schizophrenia – It is used when patients do not clearly fit into any one type, fit into more than one type, or do not fit into any of the other types. As indicated, the course varies from person to person and in Mohammad’s case, it really does not matter which subtype we choose, the symptoms speak for themselves. However, the symptoms reveal that he can be classified as paranoid subtype. People with this subtype may be more functional in their ability to work and engage in relationships than people with other subtypes of schizophrenia; they are also more likely to be affected by positive symptoms, compared to other types of schizophrenia.

    The reasons are not entirely clear, but may partly reflect that people suffering from this subtype often do not exhibit symptoms until later in life [Mohammad was 40 when he exhibited the symptoms] and have achieved a higher level of functioning before the onset of their illness. Typically, the hallucinations and delusions revolve around some characteristic theme, and this theme often remains fairly consistent over time [until he died, he insisted being chosen as prophet]. A person’s temperaments and general behaviors often are related to the content of the disturbance of thought (PsychCenteral.com). We are going to see that he not only suffered from a bizarre delusion (criterion A1 is fulfilled), he also had many hallucinations and thought disorders, which manifest themselves in disorganized speech (criterion A2 and A3 are fulfilled). We will also see that the combination of his hallucinations and delusions go hand in hand. This is to say, his delusions of grandiosity are supported by 'evidence' derived from his hallucinations, and vice versa.

    DELUSION

    • Grandiose delusions • Religious delusions • Persecutory delusions • Referential delusions • Somatic delusions

    In the grandiose type, the patient believes possessing special powers, talents, abilities, or they are famous people.

    The religious type includes any delusion with a religious or spiritual content. Some of these delusions can have grandiose characteristics such as the belief that the person was chosen by God. It is a known clinical picture that a patient may believe herself as a prophet. He has a message that will save the world, and sets about spreading it. However, religious delusions vary across cultures and in some cases, can lead to violent behaviors.

    In persecutory type, the patient has the feeling being spied on, followed, ridiculed, tricked, cheated, conspired against, etc. In referential type, certain events, objects, remarks, gestures, comments, passages from a book, newspaper etc. have a personal meaning or are directed to the individual. In somatic type, the patient focuses on the diseased, changed, of a bodily functioning, bodily sensation, or physical appearance, e.g., he thinks that his body is infested by parasites or his organs are removed and replaced with someone else’s organs. (Omnimedicalsearch.com)

    In Mohammad’s case, we experience a religious, grandiose and a persecutory delusion, as said above, sometimes melted together, reflected in different verses in the Quran and in his behaviors as described in hadiths and sira. The grandiose-religious aspect of his delusion, we read in the following verses in which he (from Allâh’s mouth) calls himself a good example whom everybody has to bless:

    Q33: 21


    Certainly you have in the Apostle of Allah an excellent exemplar for him who hopes in Allah and the latter day and remembers Allah much.

    Q68: 4

    And you are certainly on the most exalted standard of moral excellence.

    Q33: 56

    Surely Allah and His angels bless the Prophet; O you who believe! call for (Divine) blessings on him and salute him with a (becoming) salutation.

    Bukhari: B2-N14: The prophet said:

    "None of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind.” The above hadith, which expresses his grandiosity, contains at the same time the element of paranoia. He knows that people love their parents, their children or some friends more than they love others. He gets paranoid about the fact that people could be influenced by their love ones. To cut off the connection of his followers with their relatives, and thereby to make sure that they would not be influenced by them, he conditions their faith with their love to him. This is confirmed also in the following verse:

    Q9: 23


    O People who Believe! Do not consider your fathers and your brothers as your friends if they prefer disbelief over faith; and whoever among you befriends them – then it is he who is the unjust. In the following verse, he unambiguously shows how paranoid about people setting up a partner for his Allâh:

    Q4: 48 Undoubtedly Allah does not forgive (the sin of) disbelieving in Him and forgives anything lower than it to whomever He wills; and whoever ascribes partners to Allah has invented a tremendous sin.


    In other word, you can commit any crime and Allâh forgives you but not setting up a partner for Him (Ali Sina).
     
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    "Islam is a religion of peace" is a stretch,don't you think?
     
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    THIS POST MAY PLEASE BE READ BY EVERY ADOLESCENT TO BE A BETTER HUMAN BEING & UNDERSTAND WHAT AILS HUMAN CIVILISATION
    PROPHET MOHAMMED'S LOW VIEW OF WOMEN:
    Its well known by criminal pathologists, every pervert that sexually offended society, first developed a very low view of women. Mohammed was no exception.

    Ayatollah Khomeini
    admonishes men--
    on the use of the Libido:


    A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate; sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister.
    Ayatollah Khomeini

    It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven.
    Ayatollah Khomeini

    A man can have sex with animals such as sheeps, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village; however, selling the meat to the next door village should be fine.
    Ayatollah Khomeini
    (Quotes above are from Khomeini's book, Tahrirolvasyleh, vol. 4, Darol Elm, Gom, Iran, 1990, Source: Homa)

    If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, an ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed and as quickly as possible and burned.
    Ayatollah Khomeini
    (From The Little Green Book: Sayings of Ayatollah Khomeini, Political, Phylosophica, Social and Religious, with a special introduction by Clive Irving, ISBN number0-553-14032-9, page 47 Source: Homa)

    Eleven things are impure: urine, excrement, sperm... non-Moslem men and women... and the sweat of an excrement-eating camel.
    Ayatollah Khomeini
    (From The Little Green Book, Source: Harwood's Mythology's Last Gods, 175)


    Al-Hadis, Vol. 3, p. 137, Abu Sayeed al-Khodri reported that Mohammed was talking to a group of women when he said, "... I see the majority of you will go to Hell." The women asked why, to which Mohammed responded, "You often curse and are ungrateful to your companions." He then told them they had a basic defect in their religion, to which they responded, "How?" Mohammed answered, "Is not the attestation(knowledge and witness) of a women only worth half of a man's? And that is on account of her short intelligence." Attested by agreement.

    It is clear that Mohammed thought of all women as half-wits. This is no doubt why he forbid a man to walk between two women in Al Hadis, Vol. 1, p. 586 (64). The two women would become the equal of the man. That would be terrible to Mohammed who saw women, mentally, as children. Perhaps that is why he often favored his nine year old wife, Ayesha, and avoided his older wives.
    My own assessment is that this Mohammad fella was distraught with the kind of hatred that his matured wives harboured against him.

    Page 190

    Al Hadis, Vol. 2, p. 692, Ibn Ma`sud reported from the Messenger of Allah who said, "A woman is like a private part (sex organ). When she goes out (walking) the devil casts a glance at her (in lust). Attested by Tirmizi.

    To Mohammed, a woman was a walking vagina, which tells us more about his own mind than about women.

    It is also clear that, to Mohammed, women were for one main use, copulation. This is why he required women to be completely covered from head to toe-- otherwise he had no control over his lusts. It is only reasonable that a walking vagina should be totally covered, right? This is what Al Koran, Sura 4:34 is talking about when it demands women obey their husbands and "guard what Allah has guarded" when their husbands are away. Nowhere, in Islam, in Al Koran or Al Hadith, is a Muslim man told to guard his private parts for his wife's sake! Read that again please. He can use his private parts anywhere he wants, even in sodomy with boys, without much rebuke from Allah.

    Some writers claim that Mohammed gave no hope to Muslim women in Paradise. Not so, and here is their hope,

    Al Hadis, Vol. 1, p. 211 (60), Omme Salmah reported that the messenger of Allah said, "Any female (wife or concubine) who dies while her husband was pleased with her will enter Paradise." Attested by Tirmizi.

    This is clarified in the very next

    Al Hadis, Vol. 1, p. 211 (61), Tal qe-b-Ali reported that the Messenger of Allah said, "When a man calls his wife to satisfy his desire, let her come to him though she is occupied at the oven." Attested by Tirmizi.

    So a wife can be certain of heaven if she is in the act of servicing her husband when he dies. Does this not explain why Mohammed's wives fought over him every night? :pound:
    Copulation is a sure ticket to Paradise. David Moses or the Children of God cult also taught this, as did Joseph Smith of Mormonism.

    Mohammed expanded this:

    Al Hadis, Vol 1, p. 220, Anas reported that the Messenger of Allah said, "When a woman says her five prayers, fasts her month, obeys her husband, and guards her private parts, let her enter Paradise by whichever door she likes." Attested by Abu Naveem.

    Mohammed gives one Gospel or Injil for women other than that they provide a pure and eager vagina to your husband. What lofty spirituality! Indeed, lofted upon the Islamic phallus!

    Let peace be upon muzzies.:india:
     
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    Every religion sucks but islam tops the chart
     
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    Islam is not a RELIGION, it is a filthy cult of Arabian Dacoits.
     
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    It is most unfortunate that after a thousand years of being neighbors, Hindus have to refer to sources in media to understand Islam, the religion of his neighbor.
     
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    sasum Atheist but not Communists. Senior Member

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    Being a Bangladeshi Muslim, what is your understanding of Islam?
     
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    Things which are happening far away will always grab attention than things happening next door.
     
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    Let us keep it simple to understand what it is and what the defenders of this religion say when the facts are exposed by independent institution and individuals alike. If we look back the history of this religion there is not a single year in which they have lived in peace among themselves or communities of other faiths.

    They have lot to learn from and follow teachings in other faiths to bring sustainable peace with in their faith before they claim to be beacon of peace. I have not read the verses in this post since it is not going to convince me no matter what participants say in defense of their religion. If it is peace they believe in then the question arises in today's time why majority is silent on genocide being committed on followers of this faith by followers of faith itself. The leaders in the Islamic communities have to lead by action instead of showing us what is written in their holy book.

    It is not my intention to create any conflict but I am only expressing my opinion based on facts as they exist today,
     
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    That will require a huge space. In nutshell Islam is a faith of peace, love, tolerance, brotherhood and equality. The essence of Islam is not exclusive but inclusive thus various sects exist in total harmony in the practice of the faith. Being a Bangladeshi Muslim does not make me any different than my brothers in India, Pakistan, China and elsewhere. It is a simple faith where the followers are required to follow The Message recorded in the Holy Koran. The individual in Islam is liable and responsible to the Almighty and there is no intervening person or institution between him/her and his/her Creator.
     
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    my understanding is pretty much the same as a serbs:biggrin2:

    There is nothing left TO understand
     
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    So according you, constitutions and laws of countries don't apply to the special religion? as according to you, they are the people and institutions which cannot intervene between you and your creator.

    By this logic, all the followers of the peacefool religion should migrate to the land of peacefools. If you are so adhered to your religion and cannot do or follow practices otherwise, don't you think the better idea will be to migrate to land which practices Shariah and not make lands where the peacefools move to impose Shariah?

    All the peacefools should unite and vote for a place heck you already have it in Turkey, KSA and Al-Bakistan where you would all follow your religion without any external institutions and peoples intervention, in fact all the people of the world will happily help you find that place on a guarantee that each and every abdul would move from other countries to the artificially created Jannah. Do whatever you want there. This will solve lot of purposes - Create peace in Non-Malsi countries like ours. Create peace for you people. No crying of zionism and victim card that you so happily play each and every time.

    Having said this, I bet all you greens can't stay together peacefully and would involve in discovering who is more greener than the other.

    I beg to differ sir, but you people can only find peace in Jannah where you can play Hara-Kiri and Victim card directly with your creator.
     
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    Problem is they don't believe in facts as facts only exist in the holy book which they twist and make it suit their needs and narratives.
     
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    As I have said in my earlier post, you and your fellow abrahamics do not believe in facts as they are. You believe in self-made facts or twist quotes from your books and suit your needs and narratives. So to give you taste of your own medicine, dharmics have to use abrahamic sources to make them comfortable.
     
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