UN Security Council out of tune, serves no one's purpose: India

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    UNITED NATIONS: India has said the UN Security Council in its present structure is "completely out of tune" with global realities and serves "no one's purpose", asserting that an expansion in the 15-member body should have permanent representation from Asia, Africa and Latin America.

    India, which assumed this month's presidency of the Security Council ahead of the expiry of its two-year term as a non-permanent member on December 31, said the UN body has remained "polarised and politically divided" on key issues like Syria and this strengthens the need for its reform.

    "The Security Council as it is presently structured is not reflective of contemporary realities, it is completely out of tune with what is happening in the world," India's permanent representative to the UN Hardeep Singh Puri told reporters on Friday, outlining the council's monthly agenda.

    "In order to give the council effectiveness there is need to enlarge its size. India's point of view is that the Security Council needs to be more transparent," he said.

    Puri said the council, in its present structure, "serves no one's purpose", adding that an increase in its membership should have provisions for permanent representation from Africa, Latin America, Caribbean and Asia.

    He said there could be consensus around modestly expanding the council to increasing the number of members to about 25.

    On the use of veto, Puri said while the provision should be retained, there needs to be a discussion on the precise conditions and circumstances under which veto should be used by countries. "There could be a veto restraint agreement."

    He said some of the council's permanent members would find it "extremely difficult to justify their place on a new high table."

    Expansion of the council does not mean "some permanent members should come off the high table but they need to bring on board other countries which carry weight, participate in the council's work and will lend credibility to its image and functioning," he said.

    Puri pointed out that non-permanent members of the council are at a "disadvantage" since by the time they come to grips with a particular issue, it is time for their rotation.

    "It is very well known that permanent members woo the incoming non-permanent members not in terms of using their margin of persuasion to change their views but in order to get their support on the more difficult issues before the Council," he said.

    Asked about countries like Pakistan seeking permanent membership, Puri said if the South Asian country wants to be a permanent member it should put its candidature forward and then let 193 members of the General Assembly decide by vote.

    Responding to the question on Pakistan, Puri said "some of the countries are so preoccupied with other things that permanent membership of the council is not even in their own reckoning but they are acting as spoilers and I think we need to smoke that out."

    Puri said time has come to realise that expansion of the council will not come from within the Security Council but from traction within the General Assembly.

    Several outreach programmes are being undertaken which would lay the basis for putting forward a more concrete proposal on expansion and reform.

    "Countries are clear in their minds which nations deserve to be permanent members and which do not. Countries which do not have confidence themselves to become permanent members resort to tactical ploys to confuse the process," he said.

    Referring to the working methods of the council, Puri said work of the UNSC severely impacts not only the 15 members but also the 193 member nations of the General Assembly.

    "The five permanent members think the Security Council working methods are their exclusive prerogative. Things take a long time to change but change always comes," he added.

    He said India has written to member states to send inputs on how the working methods of the council can be improved and it seeks to put together a concept paper which will incorporate these inputs and serve as a basis for comprehensive discussion on the issue.

    UN Security Council out of tune, serves no one's purpose: India - The Times of India
     
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  3. chase

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    peaceniks are not admitted into USNC.
    India should first become assertive of its right.It should take genuine actions in afghanistan,china and on terrorism etc before it is unqualified to become a member of the UNSC
     
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    What genuine action you propose to take in Astan and China?
     
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    First of all we should have a national strategy.
    India has no defined national strategy to guide its foreign policy,its all very reactive.Today we bow to china,tomorrow to pakistan and then the other day we condemn pakistan.There's simply no coherence!

    Secondly on Afghanistan we should be clear that taliban=nightmare for india.Any takeover by taliban in Af will mean increased terrorism in Kashmir.
    So India needs to clear that it will not tolerate taliban at any cost.Just talking about it is not enough.We have to do it.If it means providing free arms to Af Army or putting a battalion in Afghanistan then so be it.

    On China we must be clear that it is not going to bend with the sweet talks of India.It will continue supporting the terrorist state of Pakistan and the Maoists.To talk with China talk in their terms.If they become active in India's backyard in bay of bengal then we should be prepared to increase our naval presence in the malacca strait from where 90% of Chinese trade happens.If necessary take stance on SCS.Strategic deal with Vietnam so that the chinis limit their goodies sale to pak.

    On pakistan: This terrorist state is never going to bend itself.Their ISI-Military-Political-Laskhar complex thrives on 'Cashmere' and anti-Indianism.
    To show pakistan its 'aukat' we should be ready to do a kashmir in pakistan aka balochistan
     
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    I agree with Mr. Puri
     
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    India is doing very well on the Afghan front. That we will not allow Taliban to come back is obvious. We supported the northern alliance before as well.

    We have not and will not bow to china. When did we bend over for them? India has overtly said its preparing for a two front war. We have raised mountain divisions for that, ordered light howitzers, activated air bases to station Su30s. We are bowing in front of no one.

    Pakistan will remain the perennial monkey on the back. India has to call the nuclear bluff to do anything with Pak and it's terror.
     
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    taking a much "harder" stand against china might buy you some respect from china. but it will most probably reduce your chances of getting a permanent seat.
     
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    Indian establishment it seems has not learned and continue to fail to learn how to play big time. There's no place for high-minded moralistic correctness in international affairs. India is not overwhelmingly indispensable to be issuing such statements. It must first learn to play the game to be in the game. That simple.
     
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    It is all about economics, all about financial power. Everything else will follow once the economy is sufficiently strong.

    The entire nation must focus on economy, economy, and economy. Making money should be the prime focus of this generation, both as a nation and as a society. Everything else will automatically fall into place.
     
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    But it most not be forgotten that India has passed on one of the biggest chance of its history in having a substantial sway in international affairs buy refusing to accept a permanent seat in the UNSC. I hope the same foolishness that has lead to this historic missed opportunity is not anymore widespread in the current establishment (I think they're working on changing their minds but all habits die hard).
     
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    Out of tune? Heck, UNSC is completely archaic in structure. Just give it some time, it will wither away by natural forces. If it stays the way it is, I have a feeling the countries will form regional blocs, newer treaties, and simply sidestep the UNSC and do whatever they want to. There will be noises, but then we always hear noises when the US and North Korea gets into spats, don't we?
     
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    UNSC has been an ancient white elephant ever since the end of Cold war.
     
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    if so, then india has nothing to gain from joining it as a permanent member.

    if unsc is destined to wither away (which i don't disagree with) then letting india join won't stop from withering away.
     
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    Not sure about the india refusing the UNSC seat.
     
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    If you have a hard time understanding, he meant in the current form it will wither away. To make the UN stronger, it has to be reformed and include countries that matter today and not stay stuck with countries loosing their clout by the day.
     
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    i don't understand what india can bring that the us/china/russia/uk/france could not bring.

    if the unsc is going to wither away, india can't do anything to stop it.
     
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    The to India offer is well known.
     
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    India cannot arrogate it's way into a permanent seat in the UNSC. I even doubt if all it's neighbors will support its bid... So in a way this ranting against the current UNSC is understandable (a sound of desperation from someone who believes it has nothing to lose).

    The Indian establishment has to get down from their too high of a pedestal. It must be lonely being on top...
     
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    it was an urban legend that nehru was offered a permanent seat for india.

    please read what nehru himself said about it:

    The Hindu : Miscellaneous / This Day That Age : dated September 28, 1955: UN seat: Nehru clarifies

    the last paragraph is the most important. the un charter says that certain specified "nations" have permanent seats, which can only be changed from regime to regime of the same country, not from country to country.
     
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    It's disputed.
     

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