UN approves Iran sanctions

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    Twelve Security Council members endorse fourth round of sanctions against Tehran; Turkey and Brazil vote against proposal, Lebanon abstains; decision marks compromise between US demands, Russia's and China's conditions

    WASHINGTON – The United Nations Security Council approved Wednesday the fourth round of sanctions against Iran, following months of diplomatic efforts.

    Twelve states voted in favor of the decision to impose more sanctions on Tehran due to its unwillingness to prove that it does not seek to produce nuclear weapons. Turkey and Brazil voted against the decision, while Lebanon abstained.

    Addressing the new sanctions, US President Barack Obama said, "Today, the United Nations Security Council voted overwhelmingly to sanction Iran for its continued failure to live up to its obligations"

    "This resolution will put in place the toughest sanctions ever faced by the Iranian government," he said. "It sends an unmistakable message about the international community’s commitment to stopping the spread of nuclear weapons."

    Iran slams 'wrong' measure

    However, Iran's television rejected the new UN resolution as a "wrong" measure and that it would "further complicate" the situation. Tehran will not suspend its enrichment activities in the wake of the UN vote, a senior Iranian official said.

    Brazil, which voted first, insisted that the uranium enrichment deal reached with Iran via Brazilian and Turkish mediation proved that that efforts to resolve the crisis diplomatically had not been exhausted yet.

    America's UN Envoy Susan Rice said that the US Administration will continue to discuss Iran's uranium-enrichment offer, but stressed that the sanctions must be enforced as long as global concerns regarding Iran persist. Meanwhile, France said the door for dialogue remained open to Iran, expressing its hopes that Tehran will show cooperation in respect to its nuclear program.

    The vote on the decision was delayed earlier after representatives for Turkey, Brazil, and Lebanon asked for more time in order to receive instructions from their capitals about whether to vote against the sanctions or merely abstain.

    Israel lauds 'historic moment'

    The sanctions decision marks the most serious step against Iran thus far in terms of economic moves and a weapons embargo. Western diplomats estimated that the proposal was the best that could be hoped for while avoiding Russian and Chinese objection.

    However, the move is far from Israel's expectations for sanctions on Iran's energy sector, its central bank, and the export of the Russian S-300 missile defense system.

    However, Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon lauded the decision, referring to it as a "historic moment.

    Referring to the objection of Turkey and Brazil, Ayalon told CNN history will judge the states according to their votes and whether they chose narrow and cynical interests, or the interests of peace and stability.

    The five permanent members of the Security Council – the US, China, Russia, France, and Britain –agreed on a draft proposal this week in conjunction with Germany. The sanctions mark a compromise between the paralyzed moves sought by the US, the Russian demand that sanctions not harm the Iranian people, and the Chinese insistence not to undermine the recovery of the global economy, that is, China's economic interests.

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3902831,00.html

    Where is India?
    did it vote against or supported?
     
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  3. ajtr

    ajtr Veteran Member Veteran Member

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    at present india is not non-permanent member of UNSC .ten non-permament members :

    Austria
    Japan
    Turkey
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Lebanon
    Uganda
    Brazil
    Mexico
    Gabon
    Nigeria

    http://www.un.org/sc/members.asp

    P.s.:key to 2nd post always be found in 1st post....
     
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    India doesn't get to vote. It just has to follow, whatever UNSC decides.
     
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    Then how did India vote against Iran?
    may then only IPI pipeline has stopped.......!!!!!!!1
     
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    in 2006 india voted at the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in 2006 not the UNSC.India has voting rights in IAEA as its member country.


     
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    As of December 2009, the IAEA has 151 Member States. (See Notes for relevant explanatory information).

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    Back to topic: Iran has no need to worry because these sanctions (like in the past) will not be enough to hinder it's nuclear weapons program. They can learn from India, Pakistan, North Korea that if there is a will, there is a way. Turkey will be the major contributor in getting Iran enriched supplies, alongwith Brazil, which is a big 'fcuk you' in the face of UNSC.

    And if US commits the blunder of invading Iran, well, then nothing else in the world would matter.
     
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    UN sanctions Iran, but does anyone know what the sanctions are? Targeting universities, banks and IRGC held business, not the petrol sanctions Obama wanted. It won't do anything except see more stick waving. Politicians have to cop out to Russia to keep them involved.
     
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    You are absolutely right. Manmohan Singh on an interview said, he doesn't support sanctions on Iran, as it only hits the poor. Iran's top brass will still remain defiant, giving more trouble to its own people.

    No sanctions will really work against Iran.
     
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    Iran: UN decision worthless

    Latest Security Council sanctions resolution is like 'piece of used paper that should be thrown to the garbage,' President Ahmadinejad says; Iranian parliament to reexamine cooperation with IAEA in wake of Wednesday's UN vote

    Iran says Wednesday's Security Council decision to impose further sanctions on Tehran is worthless, stressing that it will not be abandoning its nuclear program.

    The UN resolution "is worthless for the Iranian people," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said following the vote.

    The Iranian leader said that the latest Security Council decision will not be harming Iran's citizens, slamming the US for using its own nuclear weapons to threaten other countries.

    "Those who possess a nuclear bomb themselves and used it in the past, are now using it to threaten others," he said. "These decisions are like a used piece of paper that should be thrown to the garbage.

    'A step back'

    Meanwhile, Iran's Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki said that the UN decision constitutes a "step back." Speaking in a Dublin press conference, he insisted that Iranian moves thus far were premised on cooperation and trust.

    Earlier, an Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman slammed the UN decision, characterizing it as a "wrong move that will merely complicate the situation even further."


    Another senior Iranian official warned the West, saying the latest move will lead to an impasse in negotiations and that Iran will respond to it decisively. "Any choice they make will lead to a proper and decisive response by the Islamic Republic," top negotiator Saeed Jalili said.

    Elsewhere, the head of Iran's parliamentary Defense and Foreign Affairs Committee said that Tehran's parliament will re-consider Iran's ties with the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). In such case, parliament would be able to force local officials to limit their cooperation with IAEA inspectors

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3902909,00.html
     
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    Russia threatens payback if Iran sanctions affect its interests
    The Russian Foreign Ministry warned on Wednesday of retaliatory measures if new sanctions against Iran affected Russian companies or individuals.


    The United Nations Security Council approved on Wednesday a new package of economic sanctions against Iran over its nuclear program.
    "We cannot possibly ignore signals reaching us about the intention of some of our partners...to start considering additional, tougher restrictive measures against Iran than those provided for under the UN Security Council resolution," the ministry said in a statement.
    The ministry said it was especially concerned by the prospect of "extraterritorial sanctions" - sanctions imposed on companies and individuals from third countries.
    "Such decisions, if they affect Russian legal entities or individuals, are fraught with retaliatory measures," it said.
    It said such moves were at odds with the principles of cooperation adopted at the Iran Six and the UN Security Council. The six countries involved in international negotiations with Tehran on its nuclear program, the United States, Britain, France, Germany, China and Russia, all voted for the resolution.
    The new sanctions are likely to prohibit the delivery of Russian S-300s surface-to-air missile systems to the Islamic Republic.
    However, a senior Russian lawmaker said in late May new sanctions against Iran would not stop Russia from fulfilling its S-300 contract.
    Moscow signed a contract on supplying Iran with at least five S-300 systems in December 2005, but its implementation has so far been delayed.
    The United States and Israel have called on Russia not to deliver the missiles to Iran. The West is also concerned by Russia's role in helping Iran to build its first nuclear power plant in Bushehr.
    The Foreign Ministry statement said the resolution left wide scope for economic cooperation with Iran, and said that Russia was particularly interested in the construction of light water nuclear reactors in the Islamic Republic.
    The fourth round of sanctions will include tougher financial controls and an expanded arms embargo. They also impose an asset ban and a travel freeze on more than three dozen companies and individuals.
    Twelve members of the council's 15 members voted for the resolution, which was sponsored by the five permanent members of the Security Council - the United States, Britain, France, China and Russia. Turkey and Brazil voted against the resolution, and Lebanon abstained.
    U.S. Ambassador to the UN Susan Rice praised the vote as a decisive move against Iran's nuclear program, which she called a "grave threat to international security."
    "Until the world's concerns with Iran's nuclear defiance are fully resolved, we must work together to ensure that the sanctions in this resolution are fully and firmly implemented," she said.
    Just before the vote, Brazilian and Turkish envoys explained why they opposed the measure. Brazil's ambassador said they would send the wrong signal.
    Turkey and Brazil have brokered a deal in which Iran is to swap its uranium in Turkey for fuel to use in a Tehran research reactor.
    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said earlier this week that Tehran would pull out of international talks on its nuclear program if the sanctions were approved. Speaking in Tajikistan after the sanctions were adopted, he dismissed the resolution as a "used tissue that should be thrown into the waste bin."

    http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100609/159365818.html
     
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    Brazilian president says sanctions against Iran 'weaken' UN Security Council

    The adoption of new sanctions against Iran weakens the United Nations Security Council, Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva said.
    The Council approved on Wednesday a new package of economic sanctions against Iran over its controversial nuclear program.
    "The Security Council has the same balance of power now as it did in 1948, when it was created," the Brazilian leader said on Wednesday.
    The fourth round of sanctions imposed on Iran includes tougher financial controls and an expanded arms embargo. They also stipulate an asset ban and a travel freeze on more than three dozen companies and individuals.
    Twelve members of the council's 15 members voted for the resolution, which was sponsored by the five permanent members of the Security Council - the United States, Britain, France, China and Russia. Turkey and Brazil, two of the Council's current rotating members, voted against the resolution.
    Turkey and Brazil have brokered a deal in which Iran is to swap its uranium in Turkey for fuel to use in a Tehran research reactor.
    After the sanctions were adopted, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denounced the resolution as a "used tissue that should be thrown in the garbage."
    Earlier this week, Ahmadinejad said Tehran would pull out of international talks on its nuclear program if the sanctions were approved.

    http://en.rian.ru/news/20100610/159369043.html
     
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    Iran sanctions good for Obama, won't stop Iran

    The Security Council's approval of a fourth round of UN sanctions on Iran on Wednesday is a key victory for the Obama administration but the steps are unlikely to halt Tehran's nuclear program.

    The 15-nation council passed a resolution that was the product of five months of talks between the United States, Britain, France, Germany, China and Russia. With 12 votes in favor, it received the least support of the four Iran sanctions resolutions adopted since 2006.

    This resolution passed despite 'no' votes from angry Turkey and Brazil, which argued that sanctions were the wrong approach to take with Tehran, and an abstention from Lebanon. But analysts said the fact that all five permanent veto-wielding council members -- including Russia and China -- sent Iran a strong message.

    "It's a significant victory for the Obama administration," David Albright, head of the Washington-based Institute for Science and International Security (ISIS), told Reuters.

    "It shows that the US can hold the P5-plus-one group together," he said, referring to the United States, Britain, France, Germany, China and Russia. "It's not a huge success but it's a success."

    Originally US President Barack Obama and his European allies had wanted tougher measures, including targeting Tehran's oil and gas industries and a blacklisting of Iran's central bank. Moscow and Beijing refused to support that.

    Council diplomats say that although it is diluted, the resolution adopted is much tougher than Washington and its three European allies had expected when they began negotiating with the Russians and Chinese in January.

    'DRACONIAN MEASURES' TO COME FROM EU

    The sanctions resolution calls for measures against new Iranian banks abroad if a connection to the nuclear or missile programs is suspected, as well as vigilance over transactions with any Iranian bank, including the central bank.

    It also expands a UN arms embargo against Tehran and blacklists three firms controlled by Islamic Republic of Iran Shipping Lines and 15 belonging to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The resolution also calls for setting up a cargo inspection regime similar to one in place for North Korea.

    Critics point out that many of the measures are voluntary. They also say none of the measures in the three previous sanctions resolutions passed since 2006, nor US and Israeli hints of possible military action, were enough to force Iran to abandon its enrichment program.

    Western diplomats and analysts argue that the European Union, United States and their allies around the world now have the legal basis to impose their own measures that will be much tougher than anything the Security Council has agreed on.

    "The draconian measures will come from the EU," Albright said.

    Albright's assessment was confirmed by EU diplomats, who said major European states plan to impose further sanctions on Iran and could agree them very soon.

    US Defense Secretary Robert Gates said Iran's oil and gas export capability might be among the targets.

    At the same time, analysts expressed concern about the dissenting votes in the council. Turkey and Brazil, angry about the West's dismissal of a nuclear fuel swap deal with Iran that they say makes new sanctions unnecessary, voted against them.

    "It's regrettable that the council is now divided on the issue," said Mark Fitzpatrick of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London. "Tehran's leaders will take solace in that but will also be sorely disappointed that their diplomatic gambit with Brazil and Turkey wasn't able to avoid a new round of sanctions."

    Albright said it was vital for Obama and his allies to reach out to Turkey and Brazil to avoid diplomatic fallout.

    The effectiveness of the sanctions, Fitzpatrick said, will ultimately depend on their implementation. In the past, Russia and China, which have close trade ties with Tehran, have been lax about applying the sanctions, analysts and diplomats say.

    China's UN Ambassador Li Baodong, said Beijing was determined to see that the new sanctions are implemented fully.

    "The sanctions aren't crippling by any means," Fitzpatrick said, "and are unlikely to change any minds in Tehran but they won't pass unnoticed either. The ban on offensive arms imports will be a keen concern to the Iranian military."

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/iran-sanctions-good-for-obama-wont-stop-iran/632062/3
     
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    The resolution is actually nothing at all.. What is it going to achieve? Its a sanction just for the sake of it and obviously the draft is after the Russians and Chinese put pressure. The sanctions is nothing but just another useless vote which has shown how divided the world is on Iran. I think the Turkey Brazil deal should have been given a shot. Though it could have turned out to be another time buying tactic, but at least it would have given the rest of the world a reason to severely sanction Iran.
     
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    Ahmadinejad will visite China on June 11.I wonder what he will say to Mr Hu:hey,thanks for supporting sanctions against Iran.=xD
     
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    http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/UN_sanctions_should_be_thrown_in_dust_bin_Ahmadinejad_999.html

    UN sanctions should be 'thrown in dust bin': Ahmadinejad


    Hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad led a chorus of defiant Iranian criticism of new UN sanctions imposed on the Islamic republic on Wednesday, saying they deserved to be "thrown in the dust bin."

    "These resolutions are not worth a dime for the Iranian nation," he said.

    "I gave one of them (world powers) a message that the resolutions you issue are like a used hanky which should be thrown in the dust bin. They are not capable of hurting Iranians."

    The UN Security Council slapped a fourth set of punitive measures on Iran, hoping to persuade Tehran to curb its suspect nuclear programme through broadened military and financial sanctions.

    The vote in the 15-member council was 12 in favour of the US-drafted resolution, with Lebanon abstaining and Brazil and Turkey voting against.

    World powers led by the United States accuse Iran of masking a weapons drive with what Tehran says is a purely civilian atomic programme.

    Iran says it is pursuing nuclear technology purely for the peaceful goal of generating electricity.

    Ahmadinejad lashed out at world powers in a speech in the Tajik capital Dushanbe.

    "Those who have atomic bombs, have used them, stored them or threatened others with them, keep issuing resolutions against us under the pretext that Iran might build an atomic bomb in the future," he said.

    Tehran's envoy to the UN atomic watchdog the International Atomic Energy Agency, Ali Asghar Soltanieh, said Iran will not halt uranium enrichment despite the new sanctions.

    "Nothing will be changed. We'll continue without any interruption our enrichment activities under the full scope of IAEA safeguards... and the NPT (nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty)," Soltanieh told reporters in Vienna after the sanctions vote.

    "Even a second enrichment activity will not be suspended," Soltanieh said of Iran's recent move to enrich uranium to a higher level of 20 percent purity.

    "What happened today in New York was another dark chapter of mistakes and miscalculations" by Western nations, he added.

    Iranian lawmaker Alaeddin Borujerdi told Mehr news agency that parliament's commission on national security and foreign policy will "next Sunday draw up the draft of a bill" aimed at revising ties with the IAEA.

    Uranium enrichment can be used not only to make fuel for nuclear energy, but also the fissile core of an atomic bomb.

    Iran has long been enriching uranium to low levels of purity, in defiance of three previous sets of UN sanctions.

    Earlier this year, it began enriching to higher levels, ostensibly to make the fuel needed for a Tehran research reactor which makes radioisotopes for medical use.

    Iran's atomic chief Ali Akbar Salehi slammed China, which has emerged as Iran's main trading partner in recent years, for agreeing to the sanctions.

    "China is gradually losing its respectable position in the Islamic world and by the time it wakes up, it will be too late," he told ISNA news agency.

    "There was a time when China branded the US as a paper tiger. I wonder what we can call China for agreeing to this resolution."

    Salehi, who oversees Iran's nuclear programme, also accused Beijing of "double standards" by taking a position towards "North Korea which has left the NPT" different than "with Iran which is a member of the NPT."

    Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki, speaking to Fars news agency from Dublin, called the sanctions a "backward move."

    "We had made our move on the chessboard for cooperation and confidence building which was the Tehran declaration," he said of a nuclear fuel swap deal signed on May 17 by Iran, Brazil and Turkey.

    "Now they (the world powers) are making their move and they have to wait for Iran to sum up the situation and make its next move."

    Foreign ministry spokesman Ramin Mehmanparast told Iran's Al-Alam television the Security Council had taken an "incorrect step" which would "complicate the situation" more.

    And Iran's chief nuclear negotiator, Saeed Jalili, just minutes before the sanctions vote, told state news agency IRNA Tehran would deliver a "firm" response if it were confronted with new UN measures.

    earlier related report
    Ahmadinejad to snub Shanghai group meeting: Russian source
    Moscow (AFP) June 9, 2010 - President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad plans to stay away from a meeting of the Shanghai group this week as ties between Moscow and Tehran fray over Iran's nuclear programme, a high-ranking Russian source said.

    The Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), a regional security group set up as an alternative to NATO in 2001, will hold a meeting in Uzbekistan Thursday and Friday when it will consider opening its doors to new members.

    Besides heavyweights Russia and China, the group also includes Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. Several countries, including Iran, India and Pakistan, hold observer status and have in the past expressed interest in joining the regional grouping.

    "The Iranian president will not be there," a high-ranking Russian diplomatic source told reporters in comments released Wednesday.

    He said Iran planned to send a delegation to the summit but refused to say why Ahmadinejad himself chose to stay away from the group, which his country wants to join.

    Ahmadinejad is Wednesday due to hold talks with President Emomali Rakhmon in the Tajik capital Dushanbe and attend a UN-sponsored conference on resource security. On Thursday he will head to China for a visit to the Shanghai Expo.

    "Iran's president will not be flying from Dushanbe to Tashkent to take part in the SCO. Ahmadinejad will be flying on Thursday morning from Dushanbe to Shanghai for the Expo," an Iranian diplomat told AFP in Dushanbe.

    The diplomat, who was travelling in Ahmadinejad's delegation, declined to comment on Ahmadinejad's reasons for not attending the conference.

    Ties between traditional allies Moscow and Tehran have recently deteriorated as Russia's patience over Iran's nuclear programme runs thin and Moscow has expressed willingness to support UN sanctions against the defiant Islamic republic.

    Ahmadinejad --- who chose Russia for his first foreign trip since his landslide re-election victory last year -- last month accused Russia of "siding with those who have been our enemy for 30 years."
     
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    Sanctions like these may be used to target anything and anyone, but the common man is always the one to carry it's weight. I know this personally, given that my country was under similar US sanctions. In fact, throughout modern history, I'm quite sure that the only strategy US and all that is it's extension of power (NATO, IMF, World Bank, even the UNSC) was: target the softest meat of your rival (civilians, civilian economy, production, industry etc.) to reduce their will to defy more.

    They know they won't make the Iranian leadership drop any of it's decisions - they will just make the Iranian people do their job. Only problem is that Iranian public is still majorly supporting their government, however, there's an active oposition there.
    One of those strategies to make Ahmedinejad's support waver was the ridiculous propaganda showing the girl who died in recent protests for days on the news. Don't get me wrong - every innocent's death is a terrible thing, but there are hundreds dying everywhere and all the time in the world, and if you give one of them such relevance, than you make the others that die in great numbers (civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Kyrgyztan and who knows where) lesser people.
     
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    first casualty of the sanctions is russia announcing the freezing of its sale of S 300 missiles. Interestingly the russians say they don't rule out sale of "defensive" S300 missiles at a future date. Now what the hell is a defensive SAM and an an offensive SAM?
     
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    These sanctions will benefit China, Russians already said that it will impact the S-300 deal and maybe reactor deals but Chinese not have said it will any of the 40 billion in deals they have. This will benefit China because whatever buisness Russians lose China will pick up, sanctions have never stopped China and never will; N. Korea is a good example they had sanctions for 2 decades and they still have a successful nuclear program and have advanced their missile program.
     

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