Ukraine will deliver Marine Power Plants for P15B Destroyers

[afako]

SE "Zorya"-"Mashproject" signed the contract with Indian customer for delivery of gas turbine power plants for ships that will be built at Mumbai shipyard. The contract is concluded with the parties following the results of the tender of 2012. Under the terms of the contract the enterprise will equip four new ships (Project 15B) during the period of 2016 to 2019.

The enterprise already equips the third series of such ships. In 1993-1995 the power units were delivered to India for three ships of the Project 15 (Delhi type) and in 2005-2006 for three ships of the Project 15A (Kolkata type).

The enterprise will produce an updated gas turbine power unit with microprocessor control system.

Press center

 

[Bheeshma]

Has the steel cutting for P-15B even begun?

 

[arnabmit]

AFAIK, won't start till P15As are commissioned...

Has the steel cutting for P-15B even begun?

 

[Bheeshma]

Is that P-15b model?

 

[charlie]

Ukraine was not able to supply power plant for P15A, it was one of the causes of delays on the project.

The contract was later awarded to Russian for P15 A

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Wonder why they have not gone for General Electric LM2500 ..

About Ukrainian engines >> http://eng.zmturbines.com/products.html

 

[bose]

Is there any plan for production of those engines within the country ? Is it too difficult to build them locally or just due to economics they have to be imported ??

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Due to economical issues they are being imported..

 

[ladder]

Wonder why they have not gone for General Electric LM2500 ..

About Ukrainian engines >> Products & service

GE LM2500 will power the P17A frigates. Isn't it?
They will be license manufactured at HAL facility.
There was some mention of the same in HAL connect.
I shall dig-up and post here.

Edit: They power the Shivalik class frigates also.

 

[TrueSpirit]

Submarine-building continues to remain the Achilles heel for Indian shipyards.

Why not introduce/expand the number of naval/marine engineering seats in our engineering institutes ? At least the workforce-skill shortage can be addressed through this.

At a very minimum, by getting young engineers from this stream into apt naval-institutions, the rate of knowledge-absorption, being transferred by the likes of DCNS & Russian design-bureaus could be increased optimally.

just a passing comment for comment's sake, because I can't think of anything else

 

[Kunal Biswas]

They are installed on Vikrant CV also..

They power the Shivalik class frigates also.

 

[ladder]

They are installed on Vikrant CV also..

Kunal sir, what shall be the typical category of ships that can be powered by twin navalised Kaveri GT?


EDIT:

Modified Kaveri Engine to Propel Indian Navy Ships
The Gas Turbine Research Establishment, Bangalore of Defence Research and Development Organisation which has been indigenously developing Kaveri engine for propelling the Indian Light Combat Aircraft (Tejas), has now come up with a modified marine version, as a spin off during research, to develop shaft power for propelling Indian Naval ship.

Using the core of the Kaveri engine, the scientists of GTRE have added Low Pressure Compressor & Turbine as a gas generator and designed a Free Power Turbine to generate shaft Power for the maritime application. The Kaveri Marine Gas Turbine (KMGT) as it has been named has been transported to Naval Dock Yard, Vishakapatnam and installed on to the Marine Gas Turbine test bed which is an Indian Navy Facility capable of testing the Gas Turbines upto 25 MW of shaft power through a reduction gearbox and a water brake dynamometer.

The Indian Navy has been involved in the development of the engine and participated and supporting the testing phase.

The engine has been tested to its potential of 12 MW at ISA SL 35°C condition which is the requirement of Indian Navy for propelling the SNF (Rajput) class of ships. This engine has been demonstrated to the Prime Minister Dr Manmohan Singh and others including the Scientific Advisor to Raksha Mantri Shri M. Natarajan, Vice Admiral B.S.Randhawa, Dr. D.Banerjee, CC (R&D).

With this development, India will become self-reliant in the technology of gas turbines for ship propulsion. This will put India in the elite club of Marine Gas Turbine designers e.g., USA, Russia, UK and Ukraine.

Sitanshu Kar
(Release ID :40470)

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/erelease.aspx?relid=40470


Any progress on this front?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

It can do more than 12mv, People at Cochin are working on a bigger generator for more power output..

With present generator it is applicable to smaller Corvette like P-28 and offshore class ships..

Kunal sir, what shall be the typical category of ships that can be powered by twin navalised Kaveri GT?

 

[Dinesh_Kumar]

Logistic wise, Single turbine type like LM 2500 for all Navy ships makes lot of sense, no doubt.

It can be configured for different power options, up to 26 MW for latest version, I think.

Maybe US stuff is sanction prone, so like IAF with MMRCA, they wanted second source of critical technology.

Once KMGT comes through, power requirement up to 12-15MW, or even heavy destroyers with 2 x KMGTs (22 - 30 MW) seems possible.

Damn, this Kaveri thing becoming successful is actually critical for us......

GE LM2500 will power the P17A frigates. Isn't it?
They will be license manufactured at HAL facility.
There was some mention of the same in HAL connect.
I shall dig-up and post here.

Edit: They power the Shivalik class frigates also.

 

[Twinblade]

Kunal sir, what shall be the typical category of ships that can be powered by twin navalised Kaveri GT?


EDIT:

Press Information Bureau English Releases


Any progress on this front?

Don't hold your hopes for Kaveri marine engine. It was just a spin off from discarded Kaveri prototypes in hopes of getting more grants.

 

[ladder]

Don't hold your hopes for Kaveri marine engine. It was just a spin off from discarded Kaveri prototypes in hopes of getting more grants.

Why? What is wrong with it being a spin-off of a project?
Details will be welcomed.

 

[ladder]

Submarine-building continues to remain the Achilles heel for Indian shipyards.

Why not introduce/expand the number of naval/marine engineering seats in our engineering institutes ? At least the workforce-skill shortage can be addressed through this.

At a very minimum, by getting young engineers from this stream into apt naval-institutions, the rate of knowledge-absorption, being transferred by the likes of DCNS & Russian design-bureaus could be increased optimally.

just a passing comment for comment's sake, because I can't think of anything else

Somebody heard you

'Nirdesh to play greater role in building of ships'

KOZHIKODE: The two-day seminar on 'Shipbuilding Challenges and the Role of Nirdesh,' which culminated here on Friday envisaged larger role for Nirdesh in the shipbuilding activities in the country.

It was suggested that Nirdesh should co-ordinate all the activities related to ship building in India and explore the avenues of the academic institutes in the field. There was also a suggestion to start a postgraduate programme in shipbuilding under Nirdesh.

'Nirdesh to play greater role in building of ships' - The Times of India

 

[TrueSpirit]

Somebody heard you

'Nirdesh to play greater role in building of ships' - The Times of India

Oh great..that's really nice to know..thanks for sharing this article.

 

[syncro]

AFAIK, won't start till P15As are commissioned...

Seems a clone of a Italian FREMM (or a model of a Italian FREMM)

 

[Kunal Biswas]

That is a FREMM at Defexpo 2012..