Ukraine postpones ‘trade suicide’, halts talks with EU

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  1. Razor

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    Putin victorious as Ukraine postpones ‘trade suicide’, halts talks with EU

    More @Source: http://rt.com/business/ukraine-eu-deal-suspended-088/ also Ukraine Ditches Plans for EU Deal, Turns to Russia | Russia | RIA Novosti

    I think Ukraine is making the right move here. Joining the EU will not be good for Ukraina in the long term.
     
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    US ‘Disappointed’ in Ukraine’s Stalled EU Deal

    US ‘Disappointed’ in Ukraine’s Stalled EU Deal | Russia | RIA Novosti

    :lol:
     
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    Yours is certainly one way of looking at it.

    But to my mind, whichever decision Ukraine takes was always going to be the wrong one. They have been far too fickle, switching from ine side to the other at the drop of a hat.

    Thats not the way to conduct foreign policy. Both the EU & Russia led CIS have been lef with a bad taste in their mouths, and neither will forget this amateur behaviour of Ukranian politicians.
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Senior Member

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    Agreed. Ukrainian politicians have proved inept at handling foreign policy and economy (during Soviet times Ukraina was the second largest economy among soviet states, now it's one of the poorest among post-Soviet states).
    But I think it would be better for them to move forward with the Customs Union rather than with the EU (which is a pos, anyway).
     
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    Facing Russian Threat, Ukraine Halts Plans for Deals with E.U.

    NY times Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/22/w...ader-raising-concerns-over-eu-talks.html?_r=0

    Notice the twisted wording of the NY times article. :tsk:
    Yes Russia did pressure Ukraina to join the Russian led Customs Union, just like the EU pressured Ukraine to make deals with them (EU) or face repercussions.
    Ukraine shares a lot in common with Russia (culturally and economy-wise), which would be one reason to choose the Customs Union.
    And another major reason Ukraine is moving away from the EU, is unwanted meddling in internal affairs (tymoshenko) by the EU and the US.
     
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    according to BBC News - Former Soviet republics: Winners and losers it's shocking to note it hasn't recovered from the trauma up to date. GDP per capita (constant 2000 US$) of Ukraine in 2010 was lower than 1990! it's understandable to a degree. Soviet Union had a big internal market like present-day EU, in which some republics were agri oriented, some heavy industry, some perhaps energy (Kazakh alike), thus interdependent. the fundamentals havent changed much as Ukr still relies on Russia gas - http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/29/us-russia-ukraine-gas-idUSBRE99S16420131029 - Russia can strangle Ukr any time! no wonder Ukr. has to back off from EU talks.

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    As I said, the collapse of the Soviet union has been a disaster (at least economy-wise) for most Soviet states, esp. Ukraina.
    Also yup Russians will not sit quietly when Ukraine, which is the birthplace of Russia, is taken away from Russia's influence.
     
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    Russia has been emboldened to wield the energy card WESTWARD thanks to big deals striken with EASTERN buyers. now u see Russia even attempts brokering 2 Koreas for a pipeline through the peninsula. quite a "rebalancing" in the double headed eagle's calculus.

    hard power is the source of soft power.

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    Ukraine PM Says His Country Not Seeking Entry to Customs Union

    Ukraine PM Says His Country Not Seeking Entry to Customs Union | World | RIA Novosti
     
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    EU Presidency Says Ukraine Admits Moscow Derailed Trade Deals

    EU Presidency Says Ukraine Admits Moscow Derailed Trade Deals | Russia | RIA Novosti

    Duh, why should Russia help a nation that tries to sign agreements with a union that works to undermine Russia.

    Good move Russia, and good decision by Ukraine to stay away from the EU.
     
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    Putin: EU blackmailing Ukraine over halt in trade deal

    Source: http://rt.com/news/putin-eu-ukraine-blackmail-151/
     
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    Ukraine, still the second largest economy in the CIS. Certainly, it is impossible to compare the economy of Ukraine with the economy UkrSSR, but it is not a poor country.
     
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    What good help it does to pre ussr states to become member of europe block

    And those states which have become member has their fortune changed
     
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    Ukraine third of turnover accounted for the Customs Union, a third to Europe and third to other countries. If Ukraine will sign an association, the Customs Union will introduce new tax barriers that have a negative impact on the industry of the southeast of the country. And the that part of the country produces ll engineering. From harvesters up to spaceships. Europe, Ukraine refused to help offset the financial losses and move on to the European standards, therefore President Yanukovych signed't the association.
     
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    epic man Putin at his best
     
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    Protests Swell in Ukraine, Rioters Clash With Police

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    Hooligan attacking the police.

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    Unidentified hooligans break the door of the Kiev City Hall building

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    Hooligans doing BS.
    Protests Swell in Ukraine, Rioters Clash With Police | World | RIA Novosti

    Either these people are crazy or Western money is being used very efficiently for fueling these protests.

    In any case these hooligans need to be put in place. Maybe they'll send in the Berkut.
     
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    @Akim
    What re your thoughts. Should Ukraina go forge closer ties with Russia or with the so called "European Union" ?
    Please share your personal views, if you re comfortable with it. Otherwise ignore this message.

    Thanks.
     
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    I do not know how to answer. Events developing rapidly. If Ukraine will sign an association agreement in this variant, the country will become the European sales market cheap goods, and its industry will die. South-east of the country almost protest. Only small rallies against the violent dispersal of a peaceful meeting police. But no one there to overthrow the government encourages.
    Here is the beginning of the dispersal a rally. In the police flying stones, bottles, burning wood. To someone was beneficial to provoke Berkut (spetsnaz Ukrainian police) on the use of force.
     
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