Ukraine On Brink Of Missile Deal With India

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Yes, at the moment, we have no other option but to continue collaborating with them. Whoever benefit India, go with them. Again, we come back to the same old cliché - we need to be self sufficient.
Our government has no intentions of investing in a infrastructure to be self sufficient.
Except in missile development why are we still buying missiles? I am just biased against
Ukraine for selling pak mid air refuellers.
 

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Our government has no intentions of investing in a infrastructure to be self sufficient.
Except in missile development why are we still buying missiles? I am just biased against
Ukraine for selling pak mid air refuellers.
Me too. Oh, please add Al-Khalid to the list. The US, UK and Ukraine, or the UUU, are ready to sell stuff to India as well as Pakistan.

Russia too came under pressure from the US and dithered on the cryogenic technology. Israel is by far the most reliable of all.
 

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Israel has nothing in the MTCR arena that we really need. Our ballistic missile tech is superior and eventually our cruise missile tech will be way ahead. They can happily sign MTCR without affecting our weapons purchases from them.

Russia and US do have stuff we need and they won't supply to us. We don't need most of their systems anyway. DRDO has been quite successful in the missile arena. Sure, it means there is lesser capability now, for eg: Russian Akulas come with 1500Km cruise missiles while we are restricted to 300Km missiles. But eventually with missiles like Nirbhay and some other unknown projects, we are bound to catch up within the decade in certain capabilities.

Cryogenic engine is required for building a full fledged long range ICBM, but we don't need it either considering our current threat perception. Agni V's success proves that. We are lucky we received the Russian engines in the first place.
 

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Cryogenic engine is required for building a full fledged long range ICBM, but we don't need it either considering our current threat perception. Agni V's success proves that. We are lucky we received the Russian engines in the first place.
That's slightly baffling, coming from you p2p. We may not need cryogenics for long range ICBMs (at least immediately), considering that we do not wish to go that route for now, but surely we need that know how most urgently for our space programme?
 

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Apart from the advantages listed above for the R-27, eventhough R-27 can handle G of only 8 compared to the R-77 which can handle 9, R-27 in the end has a higher kill probability than the R-77. R-77 has a kill probability of 7 missiles for every 10 missiles fired, and R-27 has a kill probability of 8 missiles for every 10 fired. With modern jamming systems, active seeker missiles will be at a big disadvantage. Russians haven't specified why the R-77 has a lesser kill probability than the R-27 but jamming is surely one of them.

Cryogenic engine is required for building a full fledged long range ICBM, but we don't need it either considering our current threat perception. Agni V's success proves that. We are lucky we received the Russian engines in the first place.
ICBMs don't have cryo engines. Just filling that engine requires a day or 2. Very very unsuitable for storage and deployment and transportation. Modern ICBMs only have full solid propulsion in all its stages.
 

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Ukraine, India Set To Finalize Missile Deal for R-27 AAMs ; Russia not happy

Ukraine is close to signing one of its biggest ever defense deals for air-to-air missiles with India, according to Russian media reports.
Nezavisimaya Gazeta says the deal for R-27 missiles, worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, is in the final stages and is waiting for approval from the Ukrainian leadership.

The Vympel R-27 (AA-10 Alamo) missile is a medium-to-long-range air-to-air missile developed by the Soviet Union. It is similar to U.S. AIM-7 Sparrow.

The missile comes in infrared-homing (R-27T), semi-active-radar-homing (R-27R), and active-radar-homing (R-27AE) versions. It would be fitted to India's MiG-29 and Su-30 fighter jets.

While the deal has not been confirmed officially, the paper quotes a source close to Ukraine's national security and defense council, saying both nations are sensitive to Russian concerns over the deal and want to make sure that it would not irritate Moscow.

Tensions between Kiev and Moscow could arise later because if the deal is successful, India may want to buy other weaponry from Ukraine, entering a market dominated by Russia, defense analysts quoted by the paper said.

Some industry experts believe Moscow would not oppose the deal as the Ukrainian company is the only manufacturer of these missiles, although Russian firms supply some components for R-27.

The R-27 was originally designed by Vympel, a Russian missile design bureau, in the 1980s. Vympel is now part of Russia's Tactical Missiles Corporation, which now produces successor weapons to R-27.

Artem, a Ukrainian arms firm involved in R-27 production in Ukraine, could not be reached for comment.

Ukrainian R-27s displayed by the Artem and Arsenal companies at the Moscow air show in 2011 featured what the makers claimed were upgraded seekers. Arsenal said it had developed a new infra-red seeker for the R-27 extending its detection range from 18 km to 30 km.

New Delhi showed interest at the recent DEFEXPO-2012 arms show in Ukrainian anti-tank missiles and new engines for Mi-family helicopters produced by the Ukrainian Motor Sich company, according to Ukrainian officials.

Ukraine on Brink of Missile Deal with India - Media | Defense | RIA Novosti
 

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I agree the Russian R 77 would have been a bigger threat to all pak AWACS
And china,'s homemade AWACS.
Indian Already Operate R-77 though have a bad reputation, One can see other option in same catagory not less than what we have..

But R-27 is not what R-77 is..
 

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Other active BVR missiles being procured are Derby(Tejas) from Israel and Mica RF(Mirage-2000) from France, both are 100Kg missiles in the 60Km class. But the MKI cannot be equipped with these lower capability missiles. We have our own Astra, but it will take time before the MKI version arrives, at least 3-5 years. The other choices are the RVV-SD and Meteor, both will come for sure and are 200+Kg class. Then there is the Aim-120C7(200+Kg). Aim-120D(250Kg?) is not yet available for export. So, only these missiles can replace the RVV-AE(R-77).
Hi, could you provide sources for the 200+KG AIM-120D claim. AFAIK, both the C7 and C8/D are only a few pounds overweight as compared to the older variants of the AIM-120. Sorry to have restarted this old thread.
 

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Guys look for this new air to air missile k-77m


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Hi, could you provide sources for the 200+KG AIM-120D claim. AFAIK, both the C7 and C8/D are only a few pounds overweight as compared to the older variants of the AIM-120. Sorry to have restarted this old thread.
As you say. We didn't know as much two years ago.
 

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