Uighurs seek a passage to India

[tarunraju]

Fencing off border is not a child's play and if any influx happens then some serious action needs to happen.

By fencing I meant sealing. Giving BSF the right orders is 'fencing' enough. Nobody is going to make real fences on snow peaks.

Only two things can make an influx of Tibetan/Uighur refugees into India possible

• China wants them to leave, and maintains a relaxed border vigil on its side, or that the Chinese border forces are unable to curb the migration
• India allows the influx by political will (relaxed border security), or by compulsion (inability to keep the seal tight)

Who do we take action against? The refugees (by shooting them down or deporting them) or the Chinese (by a limited war? over what?). So as you can see, there is a great deal of ambiguity over things. Neither side can afford to actively do anything about it. China has to deal with its minority issues itself. We can only internationalise the issue, just as China internationalised Arunachal, now that it figured a war over that isn't viable.

 

[nitesh]

By fencing I meant sealing. Giving BSF the right orders is 'fencing' enough. Nobody is going to make real fences on snow peaks.

Only two things can make an influx of Tibetan/Uighur refugees into India possible

• China wants them to leave, and maintains a relaxed border vigil on its side, or that the Chinese border forces are unable to curb the migration
• India allows the influx by political will (relaxed border security), or by compulsion (inability to keep the seal tight)

I am saying "if influx happens" Had in my any post I invited them? If influx happens action needs to be taken

Who do we take action against? The refugees (by shooting them down or deporting them) or the Chinese (by a limited war? over what?). So as you can see, there is a great deal of ambiguity over things. Neither side can afford to actively do anything about it. China has to deal with its minority issues itself. We can only internationalise the issue, just as China internationalised Arunachal, now that it figured a war over that isn't viable.

China has to deal with them selves I agree but if minorities comes to India to create another problem for us then we need to take action and rather then killing helpless refugees I prefer our forces killing CCP goons any day.

 

[johnee]

The reason China is not 'attacking' is not because it doesn't feel that it can win, but that there is no need for a war take place, for the Chinese government to assert its control over the society.

Maybe China is waiting for somekind of diversion for International audience like in 1962 cuban missile crisis provided the diversion for International audience, so that China could go ahead against India.

Maybe China is waiting for some similar timing.

If not Uighurs and Tibetans, a majority of Chinese seem to be happy with their government. They're getting employment and development, when the western economy is going to hell. What more could they ask for? Maybe China can't win, maybe it can. Regardless, war is irrelevant for both countries.

Well, even Uighurs seemed happy and only Tibetans were considered a problem not long ago, now Uighurs have joined the list, who knows there maybe more such suffering minority stories to be revealed.

As far as economic situation of China is concerned, it is at best debatable. There are lot of reports(even on this forum) about how the Chinese economy is not very rosy. Unemployment also seems to be on a massive scale.

Therefore, war may not be irrelevant from ruling CPC's POV. A war with India could divert the attention of its citizens from internal upheaval.

The only problem India can possibly face with Tibetan and Uighur influx is very controllable. At the drop of a hat, India can fence its borders and curb the influx. Whatever obligations we have towards Tibetans or Uighurs are purely moral, and not political. If the Chinese government can wake up to this, it would solve half our disputes.

You maybe correct, but India does not have any moral obligation for anyone who is not an Indian. As for Tibetans, it is a strategic obligation, Tibetans are India's biggest weapons against the Chinese bullying.

 

[tarunraju]

Maybe China is waiting for somekind of diversion for International audience like in 1962 cuban missile crisis provided the diversion for International audience, so that China could go ahead against India.

Maybe China is waiting for some similar timing.

Today, even a hypothetical "Taliban nuke-missile crisis" can't deflect world attention from two of Asia's largest countries being at war. Everyone who has a stake in Asia, including every other Asian nation, will be affected by the event.

Well, even Uighurs seemed happy and only Tibetans were considered a problem not long ago, now Uighurs have joined the list, who knows there maybe more such suffering minority stories to be revealed.

Right, and if they are a minority, their status technically does not affect that of the society. Technically, 60% Happy, 40% Unhappy would still make for a "Happy society".

As far as economic situation of China is concerned, it is at best debatable. There are lot of reports(even on this forum) about how the Chinese economy is not very rosy. Unemployment also seems to be on a massive scale.

It is rosy compared to the global economic climate in general. Unless hard "bubble-bursting" facts and figures come out, it indeed is debatable at best.

Therefore, war may not be irrelevant from ruling CPC's POV. A war with India could divert the attention of its citizens from internal upheaval.

Considering that the viability of a war with India is low even for a country like the US (viability of war is inversely proportional to cost of war), war is not a viable "National Games" for China. (Romans used national games and circuses to deflect public attention from impending chaos). So even if CCP needs something to stage for its masses, it's not going to be an event in which a significant amount of its armed forces and territory is put on risk. Because if (the big if) their plans terribly backfire, they do stand to even lose territory, troops, morale, and dent their position in the continent. That's an unnecessary risk.

You maybe correct, but India does not have any moral obligation for anyone who is not an Indian. As for Tibetans, it is a strategic obligation, Tibetans are India's biggest weapons against the Chinese bullying.

Quite on the contrary, our stand on Tibetans has been that of a moral obligation. Neither have the Tibetans managed to cushion pressure from the Chinese over border disputes, nor has their presence in India for over 50 years managed to bring about any meaningful change vis-a-vis PRC's authority over Tibet, PRC's occupation of Aksai Chin, or PRC's claims to AP.