Turkey's miltary exercise with China

[Tshering22]

Iran media said Iran opened air space for Chinese fighters, so it may be China-Pakistan-Iran-Turkey.

I don't think that Iran was involved and none of us can prove it since they're so obsessed with Soviet-style secrecy. Pakistan might be involved but there was no official announcement and neither can I see anything like that in Pakistani forums. I think it was a a bilateral exercise between you and Turkey this time. I know Anatolian Eagle is a multi-national exercises but no other country is written about.

US was up in arms just listening your name and Turkey's together in one sentence. Imagine if Iran was there in this exercise Pentagon bosses would just topple off their chairs.

 

[amoy]

China, Turkey issue joint declaration on establishing strategic relationship of cooperation

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao (R) meets with Turkish President Abdullah Gul in Istanbul, Turkey, Oct. 8, 2010.
ANKARA, Oct. 8 (Xinhua) -- China and Turkey on Friday issued a joint declaration on the establishment and development of a strategic relationship of cooperation, further upgrading the level of bilateral relations.

The two emerging developing countries agreed to maintain the momentum of high-level exchange of visits, deepen political mutual trust, expand bilateral friendly exchanges and formally launch a mechanism of joint working group of the two foreign ministries, the declaration said.

Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao was in Turkey for an official visit Thursday through Saturday at the invitation of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

During his visit, Premier Wen met with President Abdullah Gul and held talks with Prime Minister Erdogan. In a frank, friendly and pragmatic atmosphere, leaders of the two countries had an in-depth exchange of views on how to further expand and deepen China-Turkey mutually beneficiary cooperation in all fields and on regional as well as international issues of common interest, reaching broad consensus, the declaration said.

The two sides made an overall review of and highly appraised the development of bilateral relations and expressed satisfaction over the fruitful achievements in the relations.

It is the shared view of the two sides that as emerging developing countries, both China and Turkey are at an important stage of development, the declaration said.

"With the historical background of deep and complex changes in the international situation, the continuous expansion of China-Turkey friendly relations and cooperation, both in scale and content, will not only benefit the two peoples, but also contribute to regional and world peace, stability and development," it added.


China, Turkey issue joint declaration on establishing strategic relationship of cooperation

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Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao (L) shakes hands with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan at a press conference in Ankara, capital of Turkey, Oct. 8, 2010. (Xinhua/Xie Huanchi)


Based on the common political will of further upgrading the level of China-Turkey relations and promoting friendly cooperation in all fields in a comprehensive manner, the two sides have agreed to:

-- Reiterate their adherence to the basic principles set forth in the Joint Communique on the Establishment of Diplomatic Relations between the People's Republic of China and the Republic of Turkey on Aug. 4, 1971 and the Joint Communique between the People's Republic of China and the Republic of Turkey on April 19, 2000.

-- Establish and develop a strategic relationship of cooperation.

-- Maintain the momentum of high-level exchange of visits, deepen political mutual trust and support each other on issues of core interest, further expand and deepen economic and trade cooperation on the basis of mutual benefit and reciprocity.

-- Expand friendly exchanges between parliaments, parties and local authorities, push forward friendly cooperation in fields such as investment, energy, education, culture, sports, tourism, media, security, defense and transportation.

-- Work together to safeguard regional peace and stability.

-- Address all kinds of global challenges and push forward multipolarization and democratization of international relations, and deploy concerted efforts to build a harmonious world of enduring peace and common prosperity.

-- Formally launch a "Mechanism of Joint Working Group of the Two Foreign Ministries" in 2011, and gradually enrich the mechanism in content and function, making it an important channel for strategic dialogue and consultations between the two sides.

-- Exert their efforts to make the "China Culture Year" in Turkey in 2012 and "Turkey Culture Year" in China in 2013 a complete success.

to be continued

 

[Iamanidiot]

truly a masterstroke...kudos to the chinese here

 

[Agantrope]

The official report stated that it was a joint maneuvering of F-16s and Su-27s (J-11s in your case). That's certainly not a conservative first time style exercise. Guess Turkey is eager to get off the NATO bandwagon and shift allegiances to you.

NO Tshering, they have placed their Su-27s and not the J-11. Also only Unkil's friendly nations are allowed to maneuver with the F-16s, now it is china and something is to be bad it seems, i mean really bad. Pakistan might have ignited the idea of turkey becoming the Leader of Islamic nations and it is seems that they are pursuing the same. Turks oops Ottomans step away from the NATO.

Now i can see turks as the Ottoman, what was they before in the WWI

 

[Ray]

It is strategically and politically important for China to have the best of relations with Turkey.

Turkey is not too enamoured with the NATO given that the EU is blocking its entry on what is perceived by them as 'race reasons'.

Strategically, Turkey control the Bosphorus Straits that connects the Sea of Marmara with the Black Sea.

The Black Sea ports are important for shipping oil to the West from the CAR oilfields.

Therefore, it the event of a requirement for China to 'regulate' oil to the West for strategic and political interests, Turkey would play a part, if adequately soft soaped. As an aside, it might be of interest to note that China is on the best of terms with Iran. Here too, a choke point - the Straits of Hormuz and oil comes into play.

From the political point of view, Turkey has ethnic connection with East Turkmenistan (Uighur Autonomous Region of China or Xingjian). Turkey was rather hot under the collar during the Uighur repression in China. Now, with friendly ties with Turkey, further reaction from Turkey in case the Uighurs once again raises a revolt. will be mellowed. This will also ensure that the Muslim countries are disarmed politically in case of any repression against the Uighurs.

China is playing her cards well.

 

[Tshering22]

Turkey is not too enamoured with the NATO given that the EU is blocking its entry on what is perceived by them as 'race reasons'.

Actually it isn't the entire NATO that is blocking it. Germany has historic grudges and also ethnic problems with conservative and fanatic Turks demanding this and that in their country. Now Germany politically might be a secular country but culturally it is inherently Christian and therefore it is opposed to Turkey entering EU. Another country that is not pleased with Turkish entrance is France who has almost similar reasons with Turks.

Strategically, Turkey control the Bosphorus Straits that connects the Sea of Marmara with the Black Sea.

Turks still control limited part of waters that are only strategic to European side of the world and have no use to Chinese. The Russian Navy is the main power in that region and that's something even Turks won't refute.

Therefore, it the event of a requirement for China to 'regulate' oil to the West for strategic and political interests, Turkey would play a part, if adequately soft soaped. As an aside, it might be of interest to note that China is on the best of terms with Iran. Here too, a choke point - the Straits of Hormuz and oil comes into play.

That would be stretching it too far. I don't think that Turkey is planning to leave NATO anytime soon and is therefore committed to its regulations and restrictions as all the member states are. It is only the EU with which it is in trouble and not NATO which is a military pact. 99% of Turkish military arsenal is heavily Western and therefore they still cannot be as independent as their current government would like them to be for at least another 20 years. Their entire fleet based assets whether in navy, air force or army are Western made.

From the political point of view, Turkey has ethnic connection with East Turkmenistan (Uighur Autonomous Region of China or Xingjian). Turkey was rather hot under the collar during the Uighur repression in China. Now, with friendly ties with Turkey, further reaction from Turkey in case the Uighurs once again raises a revolt. will be mellowed. This will also ensure that the Muslim countries are disarmed politically in case of any repression against the Uighurs.

China is playing her cards well.

Even if Turkey is opposed to China's internal matters, I doubt it would dare to oppose Beijing in any tangible way. Muslim countries especially the OIC are just a joke and a bunch of hypocrites. They will shout and cry and demand stuff for terrorists and separatists in Kashmir whereas they wouldn't dare to talk in that tone with a non-democratic country lest it gets an AK barrel stuffed in its mouth. OIC has gone so hypocritical that even the weak GOI has started ignoring their bigotry and biased attitude. It is a dead organization and cannot do anything anymore against China or India except whine like a cry baby.

China is just too strong for Turkey to handle in terms of hostilities either politically or militarily. So the current AKP government is choosing to move away from West ASAP using Chinese growth on its side. And of course, Pakistan has a critical part in this since it fancies itself as some future co-leader alongside China forgetting that it is NOWHERE near Chinese might and clout.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

yes, 10 times more military budget borrowed from CHina.

More Chinese stupidity revealed straight from CCP,USA borrowing money from China to contain China .Lol

 

[badguy2000]

More Chinese stupidity revealed straight from CCP,USA borrowing money from China to contain China .Lol

To some extent ,USA soldiers are just lansquenets of CHinese businessmen.

For example, in Afghanistan, USA soldiers died and bleeded ,but finally people find that Chinese in fact are the one benifits most economically there and most mines there are being dug by CHinese.

So does they do in Iraq.. thousands of Yankees died and bleeded there, but finally Yankees find that Iraq oil would be snatched by CHinese who don't drop one blood.

 

[amoy]

Indians mostly know little about China HistoryTurk (Latter Uigur) was once dominant and ruled North China before migrating westward and getting Islamized

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Turkey, China to use lira/yuan for bilateral trade

ANKARA, Oct 8 (Reuters) - Turkey and China will use their currencies, the lira and the yuan, in bilateral relations Turkey's Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday after holding talks with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said 'In all of our relations, we have agreed to use the lira and yuan,' Erdogan told reporters.

 

[badguy2000]

Indians mostly know little about China HistoryTurk (Latter Uigur) was once dominant and ruled North China before migrating westward and getting Islamized

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Turkey, China to use lira/yuan for bilateral trade

ANKARA, Oct 8 (Reuters) - Turkey and China will use their currencies, the lira and the yuan, in bilateral relations Turkey's Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said on Friday after holding talks with Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao.

Turkish Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan said 'In all of our relations, we have agreed to use the lira and yuan,' Erdogan told reporters.

such a currency swap agreement seems not very attractive,but they are the most effective tool to undermine USA's economy hegemony.