Turkey to buy S-400 air defense systems from Russia

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  1. A.V.

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    ISTANBUL, April 27 (RIA Novosti) -

    "Turkey has expressed a strong interest in buying S-400 air defense systems from Russia," said Anatoly Aksenov, a senior adviser to the general director of Russian arms export monopoly Rosoboronexport.

    Russia is exhibiting over 120 types of weaponry at the IDEF 2009 arms show in Istanbul on April 27-30. The biennial exhibition has been organized by the Turkish defense industry since 1993.

    Aksenov, who leads the Russian delegation at the IDEF 2009 exhibition, said the possible deliveries of the S-400 to Turkey were discussed during talks with Turkey's undersecretary for defense industries, Murad Bayar.

    A source in the Russian delegation later told RIA Novosti that the issue had a political aspect and strongly depended on the outcome of the ongoing dispute between Russia and NATO on the deployment of a U.S. missile shield in central Europe.

    "We have explained to Turkish officials that S-400 is not just a simple air defense system but an element of strategic missile defenses, which can be placed in one country but protect the airspace over a number of neighboring countries," the source said.

    The S-400 Triumf (SA-21 Growler) is designed to intercept and destroy airborne targets at a distance of up to 400 kilometers (250 miles), twice the range of the U.S. MIM-104 Patriot, and 2 1/2 times that of Russia's S-300PMU-2.

    The system is also believed to be able to destroy stealth aircraft, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, and is effective at ranges up to 3,500 kilometers (2,200 miles) and speeds up to 4.8 kilometers (3 miles) per second.


    full report here :- RIA Novosti - Russia - Turkey hopes to buy S-400 air defense systems from Russia
     
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  3. LETHALFORCE

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    wow a NATO nation receiving a strategic defense weapon from Russia very interesting in many ways maybe a first??
     
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    if the deal comes through then what will be the us answer i guess as clearly mentioned out the s-400 is a anti-missile system together with its air-defence capability
     
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    I guess Russia is not scaird turkey will let USA take a look at the system that is an answer to US BMD in poland?
     
  6. shiv

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    any missile can destroy a stealth aircraft...but to kill it you have to first see it.:2guns:
     
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    Serbs claim they downed the stealth bomber in the serb war so maybe with this system the stealth bombers really wont be safe??
     
  8. zraver

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    The Serbs shot down 1 F-117 out of how many sorties? They got lucky because NATO got sloppy always using the same flight plan, same flight corridors and roughly the same flight times from airbases being watched by Serb intelligence.

    A stealth platform doing an ultra high or ultra low level insertion is effectively invisible because either the reaction time is too low (low level) or the generated return is to small for even the best computer processors (ultra high)
     
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    slightly off the topic but those so called stealth aircraft were not totally 100 % stealth they did have light radar signature.

    soon other nations will devise the way to counter this stealth tech, sooner or later, Russians claim that their S400 can take out these stealth fighters.
     
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    The Russians make a lot of claims, they are still trying to engineer a counter to the first of now four generations of stealth, they don't seem to be having much success.
     
  11. Singh

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    Or another system which Greeks cannot acquire ? or a ploy to normalize relations with Russia and seek to expand influence C.Asia ?

    Turkish-Israel and Turkish-US relations are excellent, they can get their hands on Patriots and Arrows later.

    Turks with S-400, F-35 will pose a formidable challenge to Hellenic armed forces
     
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    This is the most important statement.

    This is not on.
    Question: Which nation is the potential enemy of NATO and the actual reason for it's formation and existence?
     
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    Is this system(S400) superior to the one which India uses, I do not have much knowledge about the Indian SAM Systems other than AKASH which i believe is not that lethal.

    Any thoughts??
     
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    Kumar the S-400 is a Further Evolution of the S-300 which India is widely belived to use India is said to use the S-300PMU-2 Favorite variant of the S-300 serise which has ato 195 km (121 mi) with the introduction of the 48N6E2 missile. This system is apparently capable against not just short range ballistic missiles, but now also medium range tactical ballistic missiles. It uses the 83M6E2 command and control system, consisting of the 54K6E2 command post vehicle and the 64N6E2 surveillance/detection radar. It employs the 30N6E2 fire control/illumination and guidance radar. Like the S-300PMU-1, 12 TELs can be controlled, with any mix of 5P85SE2 self propelled and 5P85TE2 trailer launchers. Optionally it can make use of the 96L6E all altitude detection radar and 76N6 low altitude detection radar, just like the S-300PMU-1.[3]
    The S-400 NATO reporting name is SA-21 Growler, and the system was previously known as S-300PMU-3. It overshadows the capabilities of the other systems from the S-300 series, and its range is claimed to be at least two times greater than that of the MIM-104 Patriot system
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    Russian sources have claimed the S-400 is capable of detecting and engaging targets out to a range of 400 km (250 miles), including aircraft, cruise missiles, and ballistic missiles, including those with a range of 3,500 km and a speed of 4.5 km/s. It has also been claimed that the S-400 is capable of detecting and engaging stealth aircraft
     
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    Thanks for the information sir, India also has signed a deal with the Israel for the BARAK NG sytems, which i believe is also a SAM system. Is this system superior to the S400 Systems?
     
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    What is interesting is that the Russians don't mind giving a system which they claim to detect stealth to NATO country knowing fully well that the west will get their hands on it and learn how it detects stealth aircraft and probably counter that in future development.

    The question that interests me is how can you detect a stealth aircraft possibly 400kms away? On what basis? The Russians don't have a stealth fighter in their inventory to verify it's claim.
     
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    Russia has hardly upgrade the S-300 systems and are still testing the S-400 (1) deployed air defense battalion near Moscow and (1) being worked up? Russian sales talk maybe they used the PAK to test this S-400, sorry couldn't let it past.

    But all kidding aside Yusuf made a very good how would they back up such a claim "it can track stealth aircraft" how they test that.
     
  18. Shiny Capstar

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    The stealth detecting is just claims, not proved at all.

    Besides I think the Russian 'stealth' standard is lower than that of the Americans, from what I can remember of RCS classifications offhand (super low observable etc).
     

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