Turkey shot down Russian Su 24

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The hatred starts when Russia illegally occupied The Crimean lands and spreading fake propaganda all over the world.

Above all one of my good friend was killed by Russians in Occupied Donetsk, when she was in a Humanitarian mission ..that's something personal lose of mine
Don't BS us. We have known you for a long time to know that your hatred for Russia is rooted in your lust for Israel, and in extension to USA. You would hate india tomorrow if india gets anti-Israel or Anti-USA.


Damn,it seems that you have got some high level of hatred for Russia and the Russian Armed Forces for apparently some unknown reasons:shock:
Just see his forum icon.
 

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Links between Turkey and ISIS are now 'undeniable'
NATASHA BERTRANDreported recently.


Islamic State official Abu Sayyaf was responsible for directing the terror army's oil and gas operations in Syria. Islamic State (aka ISIS, ISIL, or Daesh) earns up to $10 million per month selling oil on black markets.

Documents and flash drives seized during the Sayyaf raid reportedly revealed links "so clear" and "undeniable" between Turkey and ISIS "that they could end up having profound policy implications for the relationship between us and Ankara," a senior western official familiar with the captured intelligence told the Guardian.

NATO member Turkey has long been accused by experts, Kurds, and even Joe Biden of enabling ISIS by turning a blind eye to the vast smuggling networks of weapons and fighters during the ongoing Syrian war.

The move by the ruling AKP party was apparently part of ongoing attempts to trigger the downfall of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

Ankara officially ended its loose border policy last year, but not before its southern frontier became a transit point for cheap oil, weapons, foreign fighters, and pillaged antiquities.








In November, a former ISIS member told Newsweek that the group was essentially given free reign by Turkey's army.

"ISIS commanders told us to fear nothing at all because there was full cooperation with the Turks," the fighter said. "ISIS saw the Turkish army as its ally especially when it came to attacking the Kurds in Syria."

But as the alleged arrangements progressed, Turkey allowed the group to establish a major presence within the country - and created a huge problem for itself.

"The longer this has persisted, the more difficult it has become for the Turks to crack down [on ISIS] because there is the risk of a counter strike, of blowback," Jonathan Schanzer, a former counterterrorism analyst for the US Treasury Department, explained to Business Insider in November.

"You have a lot of people now that are invested in the business of extremism in Turkey," Schanzer added. "If you start to challenge that, it raises significant questions of whether" the militants, their benefactors, and other war profiteers would tolerate the crackdown.







A Western diplomat, speaking to the Wall Street Journal in February, expressed a similar sentiment: "Turkey is trapped now - it created a monster and doesn't know how to deal with it."

Ankara had begun to address the problem in earnest - arresting 500 suspected extremists over the past six months as they crossed the border and raiding the homes of others - when an ISIS-affiliated suicide bomberkilled 32 activists in Turkey's southeast on July 20.

Turks subsequently took to the streets to protest the government policies they felt had enabled the attack.









Amidst protestors' chants of "Murderous ISIL, collaborator AKP," Erdogan finally agreed last Thursday to enter the US-led campaign against ISIS, sending fighter jets into Syria and granting the US strategic use of a key airbase in the southeast to launch airstrikes.

At the same time, Turkey began bombing Kurdish PKK shelters and storage facilities in northern Iraq, the AP reported, indicating that the AKP still sees Kurdish advances as a major - if not the biggest - threat, despite the Kurds' battlefield successes against ISIS in northern Syria.

"This isn't an overhaul of their thinking," a Western official in Ankara told the Guardian. "It's more a reaction to what they've been confronted with by the Americans and others. There is at least a recognition now that ISIS isn't leverage against Assad. They have to be dealt with."
 

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Research Paper: ISIS-Turkey List
Posted: 09/11/2014 21:55 IST Updated: 09/01/2015 16:29 IST

The Washington Post on August 12, 2014: "Most of the fighters who joined us in the beginning of the war came via Turkey, and so did our equipment and supplies."

• Kemal Kiliçdaroglu, head of the Republican People's Party (CHP), produced a statement from the Adana Office of the Prosecutor on October 14, 2014 maintaining that Turkey supplied weapons to terror groups. He also produced interview transcripts from truck drivers who delivered weapons to the groups. According toKiliçdaroglu, the Turkish government claims the trucks were for humanitarian aid to the Turkmen, but the Turkmen said no humanitarian aid was delivered.

• According to CHP Vice President Bulent Tezcan, three trucks were stopped in Adana for inspection on January 19, 2014. The trucks were loaded with weapons in Esenboga Airport in Ankara. The drivers drove the trucks to the border, where a MIT agent was supposed to take over and drive the trucks to Syria to deliver materials to ISIS and groups in Syria. This happened many times. When the trucks were stopped, MIT agents tried to keep the inspectors from looking inside the crates. The inspectors found rockets, arms, and ammunitions.

• Cumhuriyet reports that Fuat Avni, a preeminent Twitter user who reported on the December 17th corruption probe, that audio tapes confirm that Turkey provided financial and military aid to terrorist groups associated with Al Qaeda on October 12, 2014. On the tapes, Erdogan pressured the Turkish Armed Forces to go to war with Syria. Erdogan demanded that Hakan Fidan, the head of Turkey's National Intelligence Agency (MIT), come up with a justification for attacking Syria.

• Hakan Fidan told Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu, Yasar Guler, a senior defense official, and Feridun Sinirlioglu, a senior foreign affairs official: "If need be, I'll send 4 men into Syria. I'll formulate a reason to go to war by shooting 8 rockets into Turkey; I'll have them attack the Tomb of Suleiman Shah."

• Documents surfaced on September 19th, 2014 showing that the Saudi Emir Bender Bin Sultan financed the transportation of arms to ISIS through Turkey. A flight leaving Germany dropped off arms in the Etimesgut airport in Turkey, which was then split into three containers, two of which were given to ISIS and one to Gaza.

Turkey Provided Transport and Logistical Assistance to ISIS Fighters

• According to Radikal on June 13, 2014, Interior Minister Muammar Guler signed a directive: "According to our regional gains, we will help al-Nusra militants against the branch of PKK terrorist organization, the PYD, within our borders...Hatay is a strategic location for the mujahideen crossing from within our borders to Syria. Logistical support for Islamist groups will be increased, and their training, hospital care, and safe passage will mostly take place in Hatay...MIT and the Religious Affairs Directorate will coordinate the placement of fighters in public accommodations."

• The Daily Mail reported on August 25, 2014 that many foreign militants joined ISIS in Syria and Iraq after traveling through Turkey, but Turkey did not try to stop them. This article describes how foreign militants, especially from the UK, go to Syria and Iraq through the Turkish border. They call the border the "Gateway to Jihad." Turkish army soldiers either turn a blind eye and let them pass, or the jihadists pay the border guards as little as $10 to facilitate their crossing.

• Britain's Sky News obtained documents showing that the Turkish government has stamped passports of foreign militants seeking to cross the Turkey border into Syria to join ISIS.

• The BBC interviewed villagers, who claim that buses travel at night, carrying jihadists to fight Kurdish forces in Syria and Iraq, not the Syrian Armed Forces.

• A senior Egyptian official indicated on October 9, 2014 that Turkish intelligence is passing satellite imagery and other data to ISIS.

Turkey Provided Training to ISIS Fighters

• CNN Turk reported on July 29, 2014 that in the heart of Istanbul, places like Duzce and Adapazari, have become gathering spots for terrorists. There are religious orders where ISIS militants are trained. Some of these training videos are posted on the Turkish ISIS propaganda website takvahaber.net. According to CNN Turk, Turkish security forces could have stopped these developments if they had wanted to.

• Turks who joined an affiliate of ISIS were recorded at a public gathering in Istanbul, which took place on July 28, 2014.

• A video shows an ISIS affiliate holding a prayer/gathering in Omerli, a district of Istanbul. In response to the video, CHP Vice President, MP Tanrikulu submitted parliamentary questions to the Minister of the Interior, Efkan Ala, asking questionssuch as, "Is it true that a camp or camps have been allocated to an affiliate of ISIS in Istanbul? What is this affiliate? Who is it made up of? Is the rumor true that the same area allocated for the camp is also used for military exercises?"

• Kemal Kiliçdaroglu warned the AKP government not to provide money and training to terror groups on October 14, 2014. He said, "It isn't right for armed groups to be trained on Turkish soil. You bring foreign fighters to Turkey, put money in their pockets, guns in their hands, and you ask them to kill Muslims in Syria. We told them to stop helping ISIS. Ahmet Davutoglu asked us to show proof. Everyone knows that they're helping ISIS." (See HERE and HERE.)

• According to Jordanian intelligence, Turkey trained ISIS militants for special operations.

Turkey Offers Medical Care to ISIS Fighters

• An ISIS commander told the Washington Post on August 12, 2014, "We used to have some fighters -- even high-level members of the Islamic State -- getting treated in Turkish hospitals."

• Taraf reported on October 12, 2014 that Dengir Mir Mehmet Fırat, a founder of the AKP, said that Turkey supported terrorist groups and still supports them and treats them in hospitals. "In order to weaken the developments in Rojova (Syrian Kurdistan), the government gave concessions and arms to extreme religious groups...the government was helping the wounded. The Minister of Health said something such as, it's a human obligation to care for the ISIS wounded."

• According to Taraf, Ahmet El H, one of the top commanders at ISIS and Al Baghdadi's right hand man, was treated at a hospital in Sanliurfa, Turkey, along with other ISIS militants. The Turkish state paid for their treatment. According to Taraf's sources, ISIS militants are being treated in hospitals all across southeastern Turkey. More and more militants have been coming in to be treated since the start of airstrikes in August. To be more specific, eight ISIS militants were transported through the Sanliurfa border crossing; these are their names: "Mustafa A., Yusuf El R., Mustafa H., Halil El M., Muhammet El H., Ahmet El S., Hasan H., [and] Salim El D."

Turkey Supports ISIS Financially Through Purchase of Oil

• On September 13, 2014, The New York Times reported on the Obama administration's efforts to pressure Turkey to crack down on ISIS extensive sales network for oil. James Phillips, a senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation, argues that Turkey has not fully cracked down on ISIS's sales network because it benefits from a lower price for oil, and that there might even be Turks and government officials who benefit from the trade.

• Fehim Taştekin wrote in Radikal on September 13, 2014 about illegal pipelines transporting oil from Syria to nearby border towns in Turkey. The oil is sold for as little as 1.25 liras per liter. Taştekin indicated that many of these illegal pipelines were dismantled after operating for 3 years, once his article was published.

• According to Diken and OdaTV, David Cohen, a Justice Department official, saysthat there are Turkish individuals acting as middlemen to help sell ISIS's oil through Turkey.

• On October 14, 2014, a German Parliamentarian from the Green Party accusedTurkey of allowing the transportation of arms to ISIS over its territory, as well as the sale of oil.

Turkey Assists ISIS Recruitment

• Kerim Kiliçdaroğlu claimed on October 14, 2014 that ISIS offices in Istanbul and Gaziantep are used to recruit fighters. On October 10, 2014, the mufti of Konya said that 100 people from Konya joined ISIS 4 days ago. (See HERE and HERE.)

• OdaTV reports that Takva Haber serves as a propaganda outlet for ISIS to recruit Turkish-speaking individuals in Turkey and Germany. The address where this propaganda website is registered corresponds to the address of a school called Irfan Koleji, which was established by Ilim Yayma Vakfi, a foundation that was created by Erdogan and Davutoglu, among others. It is thus claimed that the propaganda site is operated from the school of the foundation started by AKP members.

• Minister of Sports, Suat Kilic, an AKP member, visited Salafi jihadists who are ISIS supporters in Germany. The group is known for reaching out to supporters via free Quran distributions and raising funds to sponsor suicide attacks in Syria and Iraq by raising money.

• OdaTV released a video allegedly showing ISIS militants riding a bus in Istanbul.

Turkish Forces Are Fighting Alongside ISIS

• On October 7, 2014, IBDA-C, a militant Islamic organization in Turkey, pledged support to ISIS. A Turkish friend who is a commander in ISIS suggests that Turkey is "involved in all of this" and that "10,000 ISIS members will come to Turkey." A Huda-Par member at the meeting claims that officials criticize ISIS but in fact sympathize with the group (Huda-Par, the "Free Cause Party", is a Kurdish Sunni fundamentalist political party). BBP member claims that National Action Party (MHP) officials are close to embracing ISIS. In the meeting, it is asserted that ISIS militants come to Turkey frequently to rest, as though they are taking a break from military service. They claim that Turkey will experience an Islamic revolution, and Turks should be ready for jihad. (See HERE and HERE.)

• Seymour Hersh maintains in the London Review of Books that ISIS conducted sarin attacks in Syria, and that Turkey was informed. "For months there had been acute concern among senior military leaders and the intelligence community about the role in the war of Syria's neighbors, especially Turkey. Prime Minister Recep Erdogan was known to be supporting the al-Nusra Front, a jihadist faction among the rebel opposition, as well as other Islamist rebel groups. 'We knew there were some in the Turkish government,' a former senior US intelligence official, who has access to current intelligence, told me, 'who believed they could get Assad's nuts in a vice by dabbling with a sarin attack inside Syria - and forcing Obama to make good on his red line threat."

• On September 20, 2014, Demir Celik, a Member of Parliament with the people's democratic party (HDP) claimed that Turkish Special Forces fight with ISIS.

Turkey Helped ISIS in Battle for Kobani

• Anwar Moslem, Mayor of Kobani, said on September 19, 2014: "Based on the intelligence we got two days before the breakout of the current war, trains full of forces and ammunition, which were passing by north of Kobane, had an-hour-and-ten-to-twenty-minute-long stops in these villages: Salib Qaran, Gire Sor, Moshrefat Ezzo. There are evidences, witnesses, and videos about this. Why is ISIS strong only in Kobane's east? Why is it not strong either in its south or west? Since these trains stopped in villages located in the east of Kobane, we guess they had brought ammunition and additional force for the ISIS." In the second article on September 30, 2014, a CHP delegation visited Kobani, where locals claimed that everything from the clothes ISIS militants wear to their guns comes from Turkey. (See HERE and HERE.)

• Released by Nuhaber, a video shows Turkish military convoys carrying tanks and ammunition moving freely under ISIS flags in the Cerablus region and Karkamis border crossing (September 25, 2014). There are writings in Turkish on the trucks.

• Salih Muslim, PYD head, claims that 120 militants crossed into Syria from Turkey between October 20th and 24th, 2014.

• According to an op-ed written by a YPG commander in The New York Times on October 29, 2014, Turkey allows ISIS militants and their equipment to pass freely over the border.

• Diken reported, "ISIS fighters crossed the border from Turkey into Syria, over the Turkish train tracks that delineate the border, in full view of Turkish soldiers. They were met there by PYD fighters and stopped."

• A Kurdish commander in Kobani claims that ISIS militants have Turkish entry stamps on their passports.

• Kurds trying to join the battle in Kobani are turned away by Turkish police at the Turkey-Syrian border.

• OdaTV released a photograph of a Turkish soldier befriending ISIS militants.

Turkey and ISIS Share a Worldview

• RT reports on Vice President Joe Biden's remarks detailing Turkish support to ISIS.

According to the Hurriyet Daily News on September 26, 2014, "The feelings of the AKP's heavyweights are not limited to Ankara. I was shocked to hear words of admiration for ISIL from some high-level civil servants even in Şanliurfa. 'They are like us, fighting against seven great powers in the War of Independence,' one said." "Rather than the [Kurdistan Workers' Party] PKK on the other side, I would rather have ISIL as a neighbor," said another."

• Cengiz Candar, a well-respected Turkish journalist, maintained that MIT helped "midwife" the Islamic state in Iraq and Syria, as well as other Jihadi groups.

• An AKP council member posted on his Facebook page: "Thankfully ISIS exists... May you never run out of ammunition..."

• A Turkish Social Security Institution supervisor uses the ISIS logo in internal correspondences.

• Bilal Erdogan and Turkish officials meet alleged ISIS fighters.

Mr. Phillips is Director of the Program on Peace-building and Rights at Columbia University's Institute for the Study of Human Rights. He served as a Senior Adviser and Foreign Affairs Expert for the U.S. Department of State.

Author's Note: Information presented in this paper is offered without bias or endorsement.
 

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Don't BS us. We have known you for a long time to know that your hatred for Russia is rooted in your lust for Israel, and in extension to USA. You would hate india tomorrow if india gets anti-Israel or Anti-USA.
Stop right there .. I'm ready to sacrifice my all interests for my country ..If my country send me to kill a Israeli/Jew or American ..I happy to do that..
 

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Stop right there .. I'm ready to sacrifice my all interests for my country ..If my country send me to kill a Israeli/Jew or American ..I happy to do that..
Hmmmmm..... so say you.

Well, what do you want me or anybody to think when despite supposedly being a hardcore Indian, your profile image shows a roaring Israel. Now, don't get me wrong. I am also a big fan of Israel. But, whatever I may be, I would never choose or I don't think any person for whom his own nation comes first, would project his loyalty to some other nation in a forum which is concerned with the national affairs of rhe nation.

A devotee may not show any signs of his first and only allegiance on his sleeve, but he wouldn't choose to wear other faith's sign on his sleeve either.

@SajeevJino when you openly flaunt your love for another nation, the onus is on you to prove that the love does not exceed the love for your own nation.
 
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Stop right there .. I'm ready to sacrifice my all interests for my country ..If my country send me to kill a Israeli/Jew or American ..I happy to do that..
We know that but the problem is that turkey is supporting ISIS and they are a medium term threat to India .Russian or American or Iran someone has to stop them as they are threat to everyone but when Turkey provide a safe heaven ,training ,weapons and other support to ISIS they are a threat and when they shoot a Russian jet in Syrian territory it is a act of war.Even Indian chopper and jet by mistake cross border but China and Pakistan does not shoot them but do a diplomatic protest and for that Turkey has to punished.
 

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Guys, just enjoy the show. Some of you wanted India to join Russia in this mad attempt.

But as you can see, both Russia and US are fighting for their allies. Let them get more on each other's throat. Turkey could not have taken this decision unilaterally, it should definitely have support of US.

Now, the question arises- can Russia up the ante against US by attacking its proxy Turkey (and ISIS)? Till now the show was completely captured by Putin. But given US has more muscle in this region, it will be fun to see how Russia supports Assad.

I don't think it would turn into another Cuban crises, but would Russia now back out due to increased pressure or press forward. Interesting times ahead for diplomacy.
 

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Video that shows how good terrorists shoot at Russian pilots:

 

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Any news about the second pilot ,some says he was also killed in firefight.
 

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Can Russophiles give a picture of Russian bases in and around the theatre of action? Which are the closest bases that it can use- Ajerbaijaan, Syria etc?

The NATO forces are sitting right on top in the whole area and it would not be difficult for them to up the ante against Russian misadventures.

I am wondering how far NATO would go in case Russia ups the ante against Turkish AF.
 

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@Mad Indian where are you now? Your zionist chaddi buddies are in celebration mode at death of soldiers bombing islamic extremists? Don't you wanna say something in support of your A**ah?
 

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I am wondering how far NATO would go in case Russia ups the ante against Turkish AF.
Aww.. so cute, you put it so nicely.. 'wondering'. A nice way to avoid the uncomfortable truth that your pants are really wet and yellow since the incident.
 

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Aww.. so cute, you put it so nicely.. 'wondering'. A nice way to avoid the uncomfortable truth that your pants are really wet and yellow since the incident.
haha.

My stand is clear. Both Russia and NATO can screw themselves over the POS called Middle-east. But you definitely are butt-hurt.

Just watch how diplomacy unfolds in the next few days.
 

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Can Russophiles give a picture of Russian bases in and around the theatre of action? Which are the closest bases that it can use- Ajerbaijaan, Syria etc?

The NATO forces are sitting right on top in the whole area and it would not be difficult for them to up the ante against Russian misadventures.

I am wondering how far NATO would go in case Russia ups the ante against Turkish AF.
Armenia, Crimea, Northern Caucasus.

Look what I have found:
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/in...oreign-military-bases-201459104513678477.html
 

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But technically, if Turkish air-space is blocked for them and NATO blocks Mediterranean as well, they would have to ask Iran and Iraq to allow them to continue bombing in Syria. Given Iran just clinched a nuclear deal with US and others, it would be difficult for them to be overtly pro-Russia.

In any case, that would happen if everything snowballs into big confrontation between Russia and NATO. I expect in this case, Russia would just take it lying low and find ways to extract revenge on Turkey.
 

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haha.

My stand is clear. Both Russia and NATO can screw themselves over the POS called Middle-east. But you definitely are butt-hurt.

Just watch how diplomacy unfolds in the next few days.
Of course I am butt hurt and my heart hurts too. Anyone dying fighting Islamist terrorist is a brother. Unlike yours, huh, keep supporting you and your ilk are getting exposed every day since last week. Keep watching, I say to you too.
Why are you mewling for 'diplomacy' now? Turkey the great, father of ISIS has started a war, watch how military action unfolds. :D :D ROFLMAO 'Diplomacy'?!!
 

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Stop right there .. I'm ready to sacrifice my all interests for my country ..If my country send me to kill a Israeli/Jew or American ..I happy to do that..
Don't make us laugh, zionist. You are a shame.
 

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