Tunnel from PM's house to airport

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  1. ajtr

    ajtr Veteran Member Veteran Member

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    Tunnel from PM's house to airport


    NEW DELHI: To prevent traffic snarls caused by VIP movement, the government is planning to build an underground tunnel from the prime minister's residence at 7, Race Course Road to the nearby Safdarjung airport, it is reliably learnt.

    The PM often takes a helicopter from this airport to reach places in and around Delhi as well as to go to the IGI airport to catch a flight. His short movement -- via Kemal Ataturk Road, Safdarjung Road and Aurobindo Marg-- causes traffic to be held up.

    The tunnel, said sources, is meant for use as an emergency exit, but may also be used for the PM to reach Safdarjung and minimise inconvenience caused to motorists. The entire plan is being conceived and implemented by the PM's security wing.

    While PM's residence -- a complex of three bungalows, collectively known as 7, RCR -- and Safdarjung airport are about 3km apart, the PM has sought to minimise traffic snarls by using choppers within the city.
    A tunnel link, while enhancing his security, would cut back on traffic restrictions.

    The proposed new link may even be partially underground -- from PM house to beyond Kemal Ataturk Marg -- and then an overground drive to the chopper hangar behind Rajiv Gandhi Bhavan.

    In India, the Delhi Metro Rail Corporation is the biggest tunneling expert, and being a government agency, may be asked to implement the project. DMRC was also requested to lay the six-lane tunnel road below IGI airport's main runway.

    Meanwhile, the government is also looking at the trouble caused to airlines and air travellers each time a VIP like the president or the PM flies in and out of any airport. The security restrictions imposed before their departure has, off late, been causing huge delays and even diversions.

    The cabinet secretariat on Monday held a meeting with aviation authorities to review the current restrictions. Expressing concern at the delays, cabinet secretary K M Chandrasekhar is learnt to have asked authorities to finetune the system in a way that minimises problems to flyers without compromising security. The DGCA, Airports Authority of India and Special Protection Group will be holding meetings shortly to see where the VIP drill is being 'overdone'.

    Aspects of the current airport drill like runway inspections and chopper recce of the immediate departure flight path are known to add to delays caused by the otherwise innocuous three-minute ban on aircraft movement before any VIP departure.
     
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  3. Shilpa.Sharma

    Shilpa.Sharma Tihar Jail Banned

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    Why not just build a helipad in his lawn? This is exactly the kind of bullshit you can expect from Delhi's planners. All they really want to do is make money passing tenders. A tunnel could cost tons of money and cause even more inconvenience to the residents during construction.
     
  4. ajtr

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    Auntie ji,
    Another reason for tunnel may be the security reason as chopper can be targeted by missiles.
     
  5. Shilpa.Sharma

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    You mean to say that he takes off from Safdarjung in an alien flying saucer that has some shield technology "to reach places in and around Delhi as well as to go to the IGI airport to catch a flight"?

    I suggest you read the article again. He wants a tunnel that leads to Safdarjung, from where he'll anyway take that heli (which can be targeted by missiles) to get to other parts of the city.
     
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  6. Yusuf

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    there may be other reasons for the tunnel. The reason for public consumption may be different. May be it leads to a nuke bunker or something with full command modules to protect the PM and his staff in the eventuality of an attack. Or even a terror attack.
     
  7. sayareakd

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    Tunnel is good idea and it can be used as war shelter, Helipad is not good option earlier they have tried to use the same with three helicopter but soon with manpod SAM threats, that idea was dropped. DMRC has got those big tunnel boring machines which does not cause any inconvenience if tunnel is dig at the right depth.

    Since i use to take same route daily but traffic jams are so much that now i have started taking Delhi Metro, so it is welcome relief.

    Mind you with PM going to airport it is big exercise with armed police on both sides of the road and traffic is stopped for 10-15 minutes on the way he is going, not to forget all the security and traffic officer.
     
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    I can agree that tunnels can serve as wartime shelters, and maybe DMRC is also building bunkers as we speak, but the idea behind this tunnel seems to be more of reducing public inconvenience in transporting PM to Safdarjung than anything. The tunnel is said to be (in the article), "partially underground" (almost an underpass more than a tunnel) of relatively shallow depth, which runs overground in some stretches.

    So not only is its value as a wartime shelter less, but since it's shallow, its construction will cause serious nuisance.
     
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    If his chopper can be under threat than his plane can also be under similar kind of attack. we can use military chopper with best possible security gadgets to protect him.
     
  10. Ray

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    IS the PM the only VIP who blocks traffic when moving out of his home?

    Or is it expected that it will be some sort of a terminal for VIPs wanting to go to the airport?

    Haven't understood the logic.

    Only Nicolae Ceausescu and his wife Elena, the deposed Romanian President and his wife would have done well if they had such a tunnel.

    Indian PMs don't require such tunnels. They are all popularly elected and such an expensive project just for one man is another waste of good money that could be used for the poor.
     
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    the length of tunnel is less then 1km from his house to the airport, that will have so much money in long run, if you see that for PM to go the domestic airport or international airport all the security on both sides of road, plus all the man hours lost in traffic, etc will be saved not to mention fuel.
     
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    But then take note of Ray sir's point. The PM isn't the only VIP (who holds up traffic) in Delhi. Construction of this tunnel is nearly moot. Instead wouldn't it cost lesser (to build and use) a helipad at the PM's place, as Shilpa said? In the US most VVIPs have their own helipad and annual charter of helicopters that take them places.
     
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    TR as per the SPG act PM security is paramount, that is why security is max in India and traffic is stop for him, we have lost PM earlier also, now the tunneling tech has come to India and those working at Metro has lot of experience since they have made lot of tunnels.

    Area around PM house is security risk, their is government run 4 star hotel near his house, due to security risk, no guests are allowed on that side, there are government offices in that hotel including two courts.
     
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    government offices in 4 star hotel and two courts that is because of PM security. BTW i am regular in one of those court.
     
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    There are some 14 TBMs (Tunnel Boring Machines) deployed right this moment in Delhi for the underground tunneling of Delhi Metro. This is possibly the highest no. of TBMs ever employed for single purpose. TBMs are one of the most complex machines on the planet. Could be an idea to use them to enhance the PM security on this occasion. Covering it as calling "to avoid public trouble" is laughable. VIPs in India cause much more trouble than anything. This is definitely not Trouble-saving but security measure.

    I won't reject the guess of it being a NBC shelter or underground command center of PM.
     
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    Folks, it was clearly mentioned in the newspapers that the main purpose of constructing the tunnel road would be that the PM's convoy can avoid the usually high road traffic on Delhi roads and thereby cause less inconvenience to ordinary road users and also the heavy security that is deployed along the entire route which leads to traffic jams that stretch for hours and result in acute wastage of time and fuel for the ordinary road users.
     
  17. Ray

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    Constructing a tunnel does not end the costs. Maintaining a tunnel is hugely expensive. Leakage, subsidence voids etc have to be catered for 24x7 and repairs done immediately. Compared to repairs and maintenance of roads, it is astronomical. If it were not so, then we would have tunnels instead of roads.

    This is merely a populist move just because a child died when prevented to go to the hospital by security on the road because the PM was to address the IIT, Kanpur.

    This country cannot progress since populism overrules pragmatic thinking and action!

    How will the PM travel the one km of tunnelling and how will his travel thus save fuel? Think also about the electricity being consumed since tunnels require internal lighting 24x7.

    Urban tunnelling has the special challenge of requiring that the ground surface be undisturbed. This means that ground subsidence must be avoided. The normal method of doing this in soft ground is to maintain the soil pressures during and after the tunnel construction. There is some difficulty in doing this, particularly in varied strata (e.g., boring through a region where the upper portion of the tunnel face is wet sand and the lower portion is hard rock).

    TBMs with positive face control, such as EPB and SS, are used in such situations. Both types (EPB and SS) are capable of reducing the risk of surface subsidence and voids if operated properly and if the ground conditions are well documented.

    When tunnelling in urban environments, other tunnels, existing utility lines and deep foundations need to be addressed in the early planning stages. The project must accommodate measures to mitigate any detrimental effects to other infrastructure
     
  18. NikSha

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    Man, Indians really need to get over themselves. It's a freaking tunnel that will help give rest of us less of a headache when the blubbering PM leaves on one of his many vacations to the wonderland.

    Lights can be turned off you know? As far as saving fuel? Mind telling me what happens when all the traffic is put on halt for ages with most idiots keeping their engine on (or going even slower using another diversion which resulted in one of the many traffic congestions)? Yeah, waste of fuel. See, there is a bigger picture which these planners were looking at unlike the rest of us.


    And seriously, "detrimental effects to other infrastructure"? Really? The "heavy" rain few days ago managed to destroy the new world class architecture and weather proof roads these idiots laid out for CWG. If that didn't concern you, a freaking tunnel miles away from your house should be the least of your worries.
     
  19. Ray

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    Is the halting of traffic issue such an important national catastrophe?

    How much will it cost to bore and construct the tunnel and how much will it cost in maintenance? Electric is not turned on and off just when the PM will move through the tunnel. It is on required for maintenance etc. To experience tunnels move in Kashmir and Ladakh to realise how they are operated. Traffic, by the way is regulated strictly by timings at places for the up and down convoys and yet the electricity is keep functioning! Having observed at close quarters the function of tunnels and border roads, I dare say the environmental damage is more for tunnels than roads. It may interest one to know that for the National and Rural Highways, there is a clause that if in 5 years any maintenance/ repairs is to be done, it will be at the costs to the contractor!!

    One must indeed see the broader picture. Just check the costs. Let not a few minutes (hours maybe for the social status hungry VIPs of Delhi) be the cause of an expensive project just to assuage populist imagery!

    Nothing is ‘freaking’ in the world, except when one is short of facts and figures.

    The idea of a tunnel is a lazy man’s solution. What one must do it regulate the timings to the bare minimum and not hold it up for hours. It is time for Indians, instead, to learn that delaying people or having NSGs by the dozens and a cavalcade does not increase their social status!

    I wonder if one saw the resignation of Gordon Brown (PM of UK) and Cameron (the incoming PM) on TV going to the Buckingham Palace to realise how the traffic was not unduly halted. In fact, one could not even make out if the traffic was halted. And, yes, there were no cavalcades!

    I have seen the Bengal CM moving from the Writers Building to his home for lunch (he does it every day). The traffic is hardly halted!

    What is sauce for the goose can also be the sauce for the gander!
     
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    We are reading too much in this. Are there no traffic problems due to constructions of new flyovers, metro rail etc? Doesn't take much to read between the lines.
     

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