Tulu Nadu State Movement and all things Tulu Nadu

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    'If Goa is a state, why not Tulu Nadu? Demand for new state becomes stronger
    Tulu is a different language and we can't be considered same as people who speak Kannada, says Okkutta member
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    The demand for Tulu Nadu or a seperate state for people living in Dakshina Kannada district, portions of Udupi and Kasargod district in Kerala is an old one, in fact it has been raised many times since the 1940s.

    But the demand is being raised again, and this time activists have gone ahead and tried to hoist the Tulu Nadu flag in a bid to show their hostility to the idea of being part of Karnataka.





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    A group of Tulu Nadu Okkutta activists in Belthangady, in Mangaluru district were detained by the local police after they tried to hoist a separate Tulu state flag on November 1, which is Karnataka Rajyotsava day. The group of activists observed November 1 as Black Day.

    However, the Tulu state flag was hoisted in a few towns in Dakshinakannada districts, Udupi district, and in Kasaragod district in Kerala, says RJ Shailesh, President of Tulunadu Okkutta activist who was also detained.



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    Speaking to The News Minute, Shailesh said that for the last three years there has been a demand from people to the government to stop the Yettinahole project.

    "Nobody has paid any heed to our concerns, even when we approached the chief ministers, our demands only fell on deaf ears. The state government never arranged for a meeting. The project will cause heavy damage to the environment and would be detrimental to the local river system. The project would deplete the water-table in Dakshina Kannada and damage the ecologically sensitive Western Ghats." he said.

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    Shailesh also added that the flag was hoisted to highlight the long-standing demand for a separate statehood.

    "It is time for Tulu-speaking people to stake claim to their own identity by seeking statehood and the government cannot ignore people of Dakshina Kannada anymore. Tulu is a different language and we can't be considered same as people who speak Kannada. We have our own script and cultural history too," Shailesh said.
     
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    Demand for statehood for Tulu Nadu, Kodava Land resurfaces following Telengana bifurcation
    [​IMG]Mangalore: Following the Telangana development, rumblings of a separatist movement has begun down south in Karnataka as well.

    Two main separatist groups have got up from their slumber in Madikeri and Mangalore and soon they may surface with demands for carving out Tulu Nadu from Udupi, Dakshina Kannada Districts in Karnataka and northern parts of the Kasargod district up to the Chandragiri river in Kerala and Tulu speaking belt of Koppa, Sakleshpura, Mudigeri, Sringeri and Kodava Land from Kodagu respectively.

    the demand for granting separate statehood for Tulu Nadu is picking pace. The first call for Tulu Nadu was made just after the quit India movement in 1942.

    “Srinivas Updhyaya Paniyadi, a banker and a press owner from Udupi, had given momentum to this movement in 1943-44, when the leaders were organising their regions on the basis of languages. At that point of time, the Karnataka Ekikarana Samithi had requested Paniyadi not to press for Tulu Nadu. But, with the winds of bifurcation of states for creating smaller administrative units taking place in Telangana, the Tulu Nadu movement should also start now and we are getting together for a series of meetings, starting on Friday,” said Niranjan Rai of the World Tulu Federation (formerly Tulunada Rajya Chavadi).

    Mangalore is the largest and the chief city of Tulu Nadu. Tulu activists have been demanding a separate Tulu Nadu state since the 1990s, considering language and culture as the basis for their demand.

    Tulu Nadu is demographically and linguistically diverse with several languages, including Tulu, Konkani, and Beary bashe, Kannada, Havyaka Language, Malaayalam, Urdu (muslims), Marathi (marathi naiks/karhade brahmins etc.), kudubi language (tribal), and koraga (SC) languages commonly spoken and understood.

    The people of these districts had a legitimate reason to seek a separate State. Noting that most States came into being on the basis of linguistic consideration. People from Tulu-speaking areas too could stake a claim in this regard. Tulu is one of the five Dravidian languages with its own script. The demand for the inclusion of Tulu in the Eighth Schedule of the Constitution had not materialised over the years due to the apathy of the State and Union governments. Creating a separate State would give a fillip to the growth and sustenance of Tulu. It was the responsibility of elected representatives from the region to press for this cause. If the Government failed to fulfil their demand, an organised agitation would be inevitable.”

    Mangaloreans are also opposing the Netravati Diversion Project project which intends to divert water from rivers of this region to other parts of upland Karnataka.Statewide strikes and agitations called by various Pro-Kannada organisations does not invoke any response in Tulu Nadu region.

    [​IMG]On the other hand, The Codava National Council (CNC) had already demanded special status for the Kodava community after the national census had indicated an appalling decline in the number of natives in Kodagu district.

    “The struggle for a separate statehood for Kodagu has been in the air for the past 24 years. It stemmed out of a long wait for the state to give Kodagu its share of resources.

    Kodavas, who are natives of Kodagu district, are never given their share in government jobs and many other government resources that is needed for the development of Kodagu,” said journalist AC Mahesh Nachaiah.

    Meanwhile, the CNC is planning to take a delegation to the central government and hold a meeting outside the parliament house in Delhi later this year. “We are a community that is dwindling in numbers at a fast rate. There is a need to sustain the Kodava genus constitutionally under the article 340 and 342, which provides for recognising ethno linguistic tribal minority nationality,” said NU Nachappa, president of the CNC.

    “We may not press for a separate statehood, but we will definitely press for autonomous region status for Kodagu,” he added.

    According to the 2011 census, there were 2.25 lakh Kodavas in the world, of which, only 1.25 lakh Kodavas were living within the political jurisdiction of Kodagu district. Kodagu was a separate C grade state till 1956, when the reorganisation of states was taken up.
     
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    They keep on making unecessary states like Jharkhand and Chattisgarh and Telangana I have no idea why
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    Well these were still fine, the worst state idea I ever saw was marupradesh,:D
     
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    that sounds incredible autistic
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    Alvakheda must rise again
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    And people in the cities that this state is supposed to be composed of are like when they hear about it :D

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    Tulu used to have its own script but then the kannadiga nation attacked
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    Tigalari alphabet



    Tigalari
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    A Sanskrit manuscript

    Type
    Abugida
    Languages Sanskrit,Tulu
    Time period
    c. 1200-present[1]
    Parent systems
    Brahmi alphabet



      • Southern Brahmi
    Sister systems
    Malayalam script
    Dhives Akuru
    Sinhala script
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    Tigalari (Sanskrit: तिगळारि लिपि, Kannada: ತಿಗಳಾರಿ ಲಿಪಿ ,Tigaḷāri lipi) is a southern Brahmic script used in the Coastal andMalenadu regions of Karnataka, also prevalent in Kasaragod district of Kerala. It evolved from the Grantha script. It bears high similarity and relationship to its sister script Malayalam, which also evolved from the Grantha. It was mainly used byTulu-speaking Brahmins like Shivalli Brahmins and Kannada speaking Havyaka Brahmins and Kota Brahmins to write Vedicmantras and other Sanskrit religious texts. Sanskrit is the main language of the script. But some Kannada and Tulu works are also available. It is currently not used to write the Kannada and Tulu languages as they use the Kannada script for documentation. Tigalari was proposed for inclusion in Unicode in 2011.[2][3]



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    Works in the script[edit]
    Thousands of manuscripts have been found in this script such as Vedas, Upanishads, Jyotisha, Dharmashastra, Purana and many more. Most works are in Sanskrit. However, some Kannada manuscripts are also found such as Gokarna Mahatmyam etc. The popular 16th-century work 'Kaushika Ramayana written in Old Kannada language by Battaleshwara of Yana, Uttara Kannada is found in this script. Mahabharato of 15th century written in this script in Tulu language is also found. But earlier to this several 12th-13th century Sanskrit manuscripts of Madhvacharya are also found. The Honnavar in Uttara Kannada District is known for itsSamaveda manuscripts. Other manuscripts like Devi Mahatmyam, from the 15th century and two epic poems written in the 17th century, namely Sri Bhagavata and Kaveri have also been found in Tulu Language.

    Areas where it was used[edit]
    The script is used all over Canara and Malenadu regions of Karnataka. Many manuscripts are also found Uttara Kannada, Udupi, Dakshina Kannada, Shimoga and Kasaragod district of Kerala. There are innumerable manuscripts found in this region. The major language of manuscripts is Sanskrit, mainly the works of Veda, Jyotisha and other Sanskrit epics.

    Today[edit]
    Today the usage of the script has decreased. It is still used in parts of Kanara region and traditional maṭhas of undivided Dakshina Kannada and Uttara Kannada Districts.

    The National Mission for Manuscripts has conducted several workshops on Tigalari script. Dharmasthala and the Ashta Mathas of Udupi have done significant work in preserving the script. Several studies and research work has been done on Tigalari script. Keladi houses over 400 manuscripts in Tigalari script.

    Places where Tigalari manuscripts are preserved[edit]
    Keladi Museum & Historical Research Bureau, Shimoga, Karnataka
    The museum has a library of about a thousand paper and palm leaf manuscripts written in Kannada, Sanskrit and Telugu, besides four hundred palm leaf manuscripts in Tigalari script. They relate to literature, art, dharmaśāstra, history, astrology, astronomy, medicine, mathematics and veterinary science. There are several collections in the museum, including art objects, arms coins, stone sculptures and copper plate inscriptions belonging to the Vijayanagara and Keladi eras. The Institution is affiliated to Gnana Sahyadri, Shankaraghatta, Kuvempu University of Shimoga.
    Oriental Research Institute Mysore
    The Oriental Research Institute Mysore houses over 33,000 palm leaf manuscripts. It is a research institute which collects, exhibits, edits and publishes rare manuscripts in both Sanskrit and Kannada. It contains many manuscripts, including Sharadatilaka, in Tigalari script. The Sharadatilaka is a treatise on theory and practice of Tantric worship. While the exact date of the composition is not known, the manuscript itself is thought to be about four hundred years old. The author of the text, Lakshmana Deshikendra, is said to have written the text as an aid to worship for those unable to go through voluminous Tantra texts. The composition contains the gist of major Tantra classics and is in verse form.
    Saraswathi Mahal Library, Thanjavur
    Built up by the Nayak and Maratha dynasties of Thanjavur, Saraswathi Mahal Library contains a very rare and valuable collection of manuscripts, books, maps and painting on all aspects of arts, culture and literature. The scripts include Grantha, Devanagari, Telugu and Malayalam, Kannada, Tamil, Tigalari and Oriya.
    French Institute of Pondicherry
    The Institut Français de Pondichéry was established in 1955 with a view to collecting all material relating to Saiva Āgamas, scriptures of the Saiva religious tradition called theShaiva Siddhanta, which has flourished in South India since the eighth century A.D. The manuscript collection of the Institute[4] was compiled under its Founder–Director, Jean Filliozat. The manuscripts, which are in need of urgent preservation, cover a wide variety of topics such as Vedic ritual, Saiva Agama, Sthalapurana and scripts, such as Grantha and Tamil. The collection consists of approximately 8,600 palm-leaf codices, most of which are in the Sanskrit language and written in Grantha script; others are in Tamil, Malayalam, Telugu, Nandinagari and Tigalari scripts.
    The Shaiva Agama is composed in Sanskrit and written in Tigalari script. Though there may be a few copies of these texts available elsewhere, this particular codex comes from southern Karnataka, providing glimpses into the regional variations and peculiarities in ritual patterns. The manuscript was copied in the 18th century on (sritala) palm leaf folios.
    Apart from these they are also found in Dharmasthala, Ramachandrapura Matha of Hosanagar,Shimoga, Sonda Swarnavalli Matha of Sirsi and the Ashta Mathas of Udupi.

    Malayalam script resemblance[edit]
    Tigalari and Malayalam are both descended from Grantha script, and resemble each other both in their individual letters and in using consonant conjuncts less than other Indic scripts. It is assumed that a single script around 9th-10th century called Western Grantha, evolved from Grantha script and later divided into two scripts.[5]

    Characters[edit]
    Folio from a Tigalari manuscript written in the Sanskrit language: Vidyamadhaviyam-Jyotisha Shastram

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    Comparison with other scripts[edit]
    This table compares the consonants ka, kha, ga, gha, ṅa with other Southern Indic scripts such as Grantha, Tigalari, Malayalam, Kannada and Sinhala.

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    Beltangady, Nov 24: “The Tulu natives of undivided Dakshina Kannada (DK) district had not demanded the state of Tulunadu during the linguistic division of Indian states. Now the time has come for all Tulu natives to pressurize the union government with the demand for a separate Tulunadu state”, said renowned Tulu litterateur and Yakshagana artiste Kudyady Vishwanath Rai.

    He was speaking after inaugurating ‘Tuluvere Parba’ at the taluk stadium here on Tuesday November 24.

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    MLA Vasant Bangera, in his presidential address, said, “Yakshagana plays which are usually staged in Kannada should be in Tulu language since the artistes and sponsors are locals”.

    Bangera also urged all Tulu natives to join in the struggle for Tulunadu.

    “As long as all Tulu natives are united, nobody can try to change the course of the Netravati River. Those who proposed changing the course of the Netravati River have no brains”, said Harikrishna Punaroor, former president, Karnataka Kannada Sahitya Parishat.

    “The natives of the undivided coastal district are undergoing tremendous hardships as the vast fertile farmlands held by them are being exploited in the guise of development. They can no longer bear the brunt of exploitation and it will be an appropriate time to revolt in order to demand a separate Tulunadu”, he added.

    Most Holy Redeemer parish priest Fr James D’Souza, and Moulavi U K Abdul Aziz also spoke on the occasion.

    Konkani Sahitya Academy president Kundapur Narayan Kharvi, S R Laxman, Somanath, Sheela Shetty, K A Rohini, Baby, Tanuja Shekar, Anantharama Bangady, Abdul Latif, Srinivas Kini, Laxmisha Tholpady, and Deviprasad were present on the occasion.

    Sammelan chief convener K Somanath welcomed the gathering. Dr Amratha Shetty Athrady delivered the introductory address.

    ‘Jai Kannadamma’, a special issue of the city-based Kannada weekly ‘Suddi Bidugade’ was released on the same occasion. Sridar G Bhide, Sundar Salian, and Raghav H compered the programme.
     
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    @OrangeFlorian (What happened to ur other account?)

    I don't mind a Tulunadu state, if there is enough support.

    But some points.
    1. Even though there are Tulus in Kasargod Kerala, I think there are much more Tulus in Karnataka. Besides KL is very linguistically most homogenous state in S.India; about 95% + of KLites speak Malayalam at home.
    2. If Tulus can get Dakshina Kannada and parts of Udipi, I think there would be good enough momentum for KL to give parts of Kasargod.
    3. But
    3a. Karantaka has relatively less coast as compared to other S. India states, so would not like to give up any coastline.
    3b. Kerala owing to wetter and warmer climate is much more densely populated than any state in S. india (pop./sq. of 800+ ). KL would not like to give up land either.
    3c. This is not like other states formation, as in the case of CT, UT, JH, TG, where the problems where regional related. In this case the problem is language related, a more difficult nut to crack.
     
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    Thats true I suppose. The account just took I really long time to load whenever I pressed on a thread
     
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    With Karnataka I can understand but with Kerala it's kind of confusing do to the size of Kasrodu in proportion to the rest of Kerala
     
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    Seems doable. I hope you take a few more districts and make a medium sized state. It's not good to have very small states, Goa is an anomaly. Smaller states allow foreign vested interests to capture power with relative ease like AAP did in Delhi.

    @OrangeFlorian What will be the immediate next steps after the state is formed apart from language? What will be the religious demography? what will be the reservation quotas look like? will there be any river disputes inherited/created?
     
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    STATE & DIST/ Total Pop/ Pop Under 6/ Hindu/ Hindu Under 6/ HINDU %
    Dakshina Kannada/ 1,897,730/ 228,060/ 1,301,603/ 137,884/ 60.46%
    Udupi/ 1,112,243 / 114,581/ 958,389/ 96,363/ 86.17%
    Kasaragod/ 1,204,078 / 159,002/ 705,234/ 77,909/ 58.57%
    Total/ 4,214,051/ 501,643/ 2,965,226/ 312,156/ 68.4%

    I did a little math
     
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    I added the slashes cus I couldn't separate them with indent
     
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    I will also give my two cents opinion on this:

    I believe the demand for a separate state of Tulunadu is valid and legit. Tulu people have their own wonderful language, culture and demographics + land mass. They are often enterprising people. In Independent India, staes were created on the basis of languages. If the size of the proposed state is good enough from administrative point of view, the demand is legit. Why should not tulu people get a separate state? Additional benefit: The tulu people of Kerala will get their own identity and might save themselves from the diseases that Kerala (and West Bengal) suffers from.

    Also I like the name Tulunadu more than Gorkhaland. That name Gorkha-land reeks of India's colonial past. (And Naga-land too. What has GoI ever done about it?)

    Additional question: Capital of tulunadu will be Mangalore? There seems to be ram sene movement vs liberal media there. Any insights on that from tulu speaking people here?
     
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    Take a few more districts and make it a 75% Hindu state which shall be the anchor of BJP in future elections. 68% is too damn low man, it appears conversions are going on like wildfire in the south.
     
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    I think Part of Eastern Shimoga and South Uttara Kannada would be a nice addition as they they were part of alvakheda however It might hurt Karnataka's fishing industry and those areas are mostly populated by kannadigas also Kodagu is a big no no they need their own state
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    Fishing was one of the main occupations of the Mangalore people since time unknown. Mogaveeras, the major fishing community of coastal Karnataka are active in the fishing industry of Dakshina Kannada. The technological developments have also hit the fishing industry. There are cold storage facilities to store variety of fish for a longer time. Fishing trawler, speed boats, Purse Seine boats are seen all along the coast. Boats travel deep into the Arabian Sea and along the long coastal line for a valuable catch. Fishermen will be out in the sea for many days. Every year, The fishing season begins by early September and ends in May or sometimes earlier.

    Sea food is common and highly available in all non-vegetarian restaurants in the region. Sardine(Boothai), Bangude(Mackerel), Kane(Ladyfish), Kappe Bondas(Cuttlefish), Anjal(Seer fish), Manji(Pomfret), Bolenjir(Silver fish), Mugudu(Catfish) and Thede(Big Catfish), Paiya(Silver Biddy), Koddai(Croaker fish), Mala(Mullet), Kurchi(Pony fish), Madimal(Pink Perch), Nang(Sole fish),Prawns, Crabs etc. are some of the popular fish variety available in the market. Mangalore has developed as one of the fishing towns along west coast and it has been maintained to this day, with the local consumption of fish increasing day by day.

    Karnataka Purse Seine Fishermen's Association and Trawl Boat Fishermen's Association are the associations linked with fishing and the fishermen in the region.

    The fishing industry employs large no. of people, and their products like fish oil, fish soluble, fish meal, steam dried fish meal, flame dried fish meal, tiny shrimps meal, Sardine fish oil, refined fish oil, crude fish oil, marine foods, shrimps, squid, fishes and frozen foods are exported from around the region. Sardines and Mackerels are the main raw materials used for the manufacturing fish oil and fishmeal. Excellent quality fish with high oil content makes these species a perfect one for the purpose. Bunder, the old Mangalore port is now mostly used for fishing activities. Dhakke is the place in old port where fish is sold in wholesale. The local boat building and fishing industry has turnovers in crores of rupees. Not only in Mangaluru, but Malpe in Udupi district and Karwar in Uttara Kannada too are very active in fishing.

    Dean (Fisheries), College of Fisheries at Kankanady, Mangalore was established in 1969. It is a leading fisheries education and research institute in Dakshina Kannada. It comes under the University of Agricultural Sciences, Bangalore. It is part of the recently established Karnataka Veterinary, Animal and Fisheries Sciences University of Bidar. The College offers degree education - B.F. Sc, M. F. Sc and Ph. D in Fisheries Sciences. Both M. F. Sc. and Ph. D programs have developed more branches such as Aquaculture, Fish Processing Technology, Fishery Microbiology, Fisheries Resources and Management, Fisheries Environment and Ecology.

    The Technology Wing of Fisheries College is at Hoige Bazar, Pandeshwar at the end point of the river Netravathi which is nearer to Arabian Sea. Fish Processing technology and Fisheries Engineering department exist in the wing.

    The degree from College of Fisheries at Mangalore is enough to make it big in the multifarious $100 billion global fishing industry which is growing at 8 percent annually. Not only in the 3 major areas of fishing such as the marine, inland and brackish, the freshers have good opportunities in banks too, as the fisheries officers and get a chance to work with processing, export and aqua-farming industries.
     

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