Trump’s Leak of Israeli Secrets Threatens an Intimate Intelligence Relationship

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  1. lcafanboy

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    Trump’s Leak of Israeli Secrets Threatens an Intimate Intelligence Relationship
    Israeli officers now know that the commander-in-chief of their American counterparts is clearly compromised
    Anshel Pfeffer May 17, 2017 9:19 AM
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    President Donald Trump listens during his meeting with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan in the Oval Office of the White House in Washington, Tuesday, May 16, 2017 Evan Vucci/AP
    U.S. officials: Israel provided secret intelligence that Trump leaked to Russia[/paste:font]
    Ironically, just when the New York Times and other American news organizations were breaking the news that the secret intelligence President Donald Trump shared last week with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov had been provided to the U.S. by Israel, Trump was in a meeting with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. This is the same Erdogan who appointed a pro-Iranian aide to head Turkey's intelligence service. Israel's once intimate strategic alliance and intelligence-sharing with Turkey all but evaporated due to fears that the Turkish intelligence was leaking to Iran and jeopardizing Israeli assets.

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    But even during their heyday, Israel's close relationship with Turkish intelligence cannot be compared to the level of sharing with the U.S. intelligence community. For lack of divulgeable classified details, the value of intelligence Mossad and the IDF's intelligence branch pass on to their American counterparts can only be described using superlatives. "We literally give them the crown jewels," said one senior Israeli intelligence officer who was intimately involved in the relationship with the Obama administration.

    >> Anslyses: Israel gets a bitter taste of Trump’s mayhemTrump's Russian intel leak is the last thing Netanyahu needs >>

    Like every relationship, the U.S.-Israel intelligence sharing one isn't perfect and it took long years to rebuild trust following the Jonathan Pollard spy scandal in the 1980s. But despite fears in recent years that the lack of personal chemistry between Barack Obama and Benjamin Netanyahu would "trickle down" and affect the ties between intelligence professionals, Israeli officials insist that it wasn't the case. The same Obama who locked horns with Netanyahu over the nuclear agreement with Iran gave the go-ahead for the joint Israel-U.S. Stuxnet cyber-attack against the operating system of Iran's uranium enrichment centrifuges, according to the New York Times, in what was probably the most successful joint cyber operation known to have taken place.

    According to the reports in American media, confirmed largely by Trump's tweets and his spokesman Sean Spicer, the intelligence Trump shared with the Russian foreign minister concerned plans by ISIS to smuggle explosives aboard a civil airliner, disguised as a computer laptop. Throughout the previous decade when the U.S. fought al-Qaida in Iraq and Afghanistan, Israeli intelligence and military labs provided much of the information on jihadists' efforts to prepare more deadly types of improvised bombs for use against American troops.

    Israel is the only country to have an intelligence relationship with the U.S. of an intimacy rivaling that of the “Five Eyes” group of the U.S., Britain, Australia, New Zealand and Canada which reaches back to the Second World War. According to the Wall Street Journal, the intelligence Trump divulged to Lavrov hadn’t even been disclosed to the U.S.'s “Five Eyes” partners. That would be par for the course. Intelligence provided by one nation to an ally is for that ally’s eyes only. It is up to Israel to decide who else it wants to share it with (and in recent years, the level of cooperation with Britain and Australia is such that it may well have been shared with them as well, by Israel).

    To add insult to injury, Israel is in the midst of its own very delicate engagement with Russia, which has become the dominant global power in the Middle East following the Kremlin’s deployment to Syria in support of the Assad regime a year and a half ago. In Syria, Russia is working together with Israel's rivals Iran and Hezbollah. As one senior Israeli intelligence officer put it this week, talking of the arrangements to prevent friction between the Israeli and Russian air forces in the region, “we share mutual respect with Russia, but we’re just coordinating with them, not cooperating”.

    The intelligence-sharing with the U.S. isn’t about to end just because of one indiscretion by the president. The response of Israel’s ambassador to Washington, Ron Dermer, that “Israel has full confidence in our intelligence-sharing relationship with the United States and looks forward to deepening that relationship in the years ahead under President Trump,” can be taken nearly at face value. The alliance is too valuable to Israel to jeopardize. But what Trump did last week in the Oval Office will weigh heavily on the minds of the Israeli officers who work daily with their American counterparts whose commander-in-chief is now clearly compromised.

    Trump is triply compromised because he seems to have no sense or interest in guarding his allies’ secrets, because of his obvious affinity with the Russian leadership and because he has lost the confidence of his own intelligence community, as the steady stream of high-level leaks, with revelation following explosive headline on the hour so damningly proves. If the officers of the CIA and FBI won’t trust Trump, Israeli intelligence professionals certainly won’t either.

    An accidental president is now receiving the daily intelligence brief in the White House. When Vladimir Putin authorized the hacking of the Democratic Party, and by extension the American democratic system, he almost certainly didn’t assume that it could actually lead to Trump’s astonishing election. He wanted to get back at Hillary Clinton for perceived slights and to sow discord and mistrust within American society. President Trump was an unexpected bonus and nearly four months into his presidency remains for the Kremlin the gift that keeps on giving.

    Trump is just like one of those NSA hacking tools let loose on the internet, being used by rogue North Korean and Iranian hackers to cause online havoc everywhere. A bumptious and bragging amateur with a security clearance that allows him access to every secret of the American intelligence community.

    Fundamentally, Trump was right when he claimed in his tweets on Tuesday morning that it was his prerogative as president to share classified information with the Russian foreign minister in the interest of furthering a U.S.-Russia alliance against ISIS. That is what presidents and ministers often do in these closed meetings, discuss top-secret intelligence reports. But the information they share has to be first processed and sanitized by intelligence professionals so only the necessary essence is passed on, without any details that can give away sources and methods. And if even the bare details can benefit the spy services of a hostile nation, and the president of the United States should certainly regard Russia as such, then the damage has to be weighed against the possible benefits of an ad-hoc alliance.

    A vain and boastful accidental president, incapable of telling his nation’s friends from its foes, is doubly dangerous to the U.S. and its allies.

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    Trump gave the Russians Israeli intelligence. That’s a uniquely bad country to compromise.
    Updated by Sarah Wildman May 17, 2017, 12:30pm EDT TWEET
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    When Donald Trump revealed highly sensitive information to Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov in the Oval Office, he directly endangered the life of an Israeli spy living under deep cover in ISIS territory, ABC News reported last night.


    This was the embodiment of Israel’s worst fears. Even before Donald Trump took office, the Israeli intelligence community had quietly expressed concern that information shared with the administration might make its way to Russia and then, through Moscow, to Iran, Israel’s biggest adversary in the region.

    The intelligence gathered by this now-compromised spy (or “asset”) was both credible and specific enough that the United States believes ISIS has developed the ability to detonate a device from a laptop inside the main cabin of an airplane — and thus to bring down a US-bound aircraft. Washington is weighing a ban on laptops in carry-on baggage for all flights from Europe; in March, the US and Britain required passengers leaving nearly a dozen Muslim majority nations to check any electronics larger than smartphones.

    The kind of highly specific intelligence reportedly provided by Israel is essential to Washington’s ability to prevent a terror attack. But that intelligence was also shared with the US with a major caveat: that the identity of the source remain completely concealed.


    “The real risk is not just this source,” Matt Olsen, the former director of the National Counterterrorism Center, told ABC News, “but future sources of information about plots against us.”


    In a press briefing yesterday, National Security AdviserH.R. McMaster insisted Trump’s Oval Office disclosures “in no way undermined sources or methods.”

    Israel is likely to feel very differently. The country’s security services could pressure Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to confront Trump about the disclosures when the two men hold a high-profile meeting in Israel next week. Israeli spies themselves may be more cautious about what they share with the US going forward because of the Trump gaffe.


    “For them, it is a question of how they acquire information and how they perceive threats against Israel,” Dennis Ross, who has advised several presidents on Middle East issues, toldthe New York Times. “This will inevitably produce a discussion about the ground rules.”

    Israelis neither confirm nor deny. They won’t.
    As of this morning, Israeli officials had not confirmed they were the source of Trump’s intelligence information, even though the New York Times also reported that the information originated in Israel.

    In a statement emailed to the New York Times yesterday, Israeli Ambassador Ron Dermer merely reiterated his country’s relationship with the United States. “Israel has full confidence in our intelligence-sharing relationship with the United States and looks forward to deepening that relationship in the years ahead under President Trump,” he said.


    But that doesn’t mean someone hasn’t been put at risk because of Trump’s loose lips. Brig. Gen. Amnon Sofrin, formerly a senior officer in the Mossad, used a phone call with journalists to express frustration over Trump’s disclosures.

    “[A] leader should ask his people about the sensitivity of the information, or consult at least with senior intelligence officers on its uses,” he said.

    Sofrin noted that it’s still unclear what exact information was passed from Trump to the Russians,but said such off-the-cuff disclosures “can put sources at risk and damage our activities.”

    In a conference call organized by the Brookings Institution, Natan Sachs, the director for Middle East policy at Brookings, dryly stated what most of Washington was thinking all week. “It isn’t good, to put it mildly,” he said, noting, “we don’t know all the details.”

    US leaders often pay lip service to the close relationship Washington has with Israel — the phrase “our closest ally in the Middle East” is standard stump speech material. Those aren’t just words: The United States relies heavily on Israel’s extensive and well-sourced spy network, while Israel receives high-tech weaponry from the US, as well as access to important bits of American intelligence.


    That could change if Israel feels that the Trump administration can’t be trusted or that its blunders could endanger the lives of Israeli spies and clear the way for sensitive information to wind up in Iranian hands. Jerusalem might decide to limit its intelligence sharing, potentially hampering Washington’s ability to stop terror plots.

    With the presidenta week away from his first trip to Israel, concerns about the strength of that relationship will only get stronger.
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/5/17/15653434/israel-spy-compromised-trump-russians
     
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    Donald Trump defends sharing classified information with Russia, after the White House denied it
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    DONALD Trump has put the life of a spy placed by Israel inside the Islamic State (IS) terror group at risk, according to current and former US officials, the ABC reports, by divulging classified information in a meeting with Russian officials last week.

    The spy provided information relating to an active IS plot to bring down a passenger plane on its way to the United States using a laptop that can get through airport screening machines undetected.

    The intelligence led to the US considering a ban on laptops on all flights from Europe to the United States.

    “The real risk is not just this source,” said Matt Olsen, the former Director of the National Counterterrorism Center and an ABC News contributor, “but future sources of information about plots against us.”

    TRUMP ‘IN IMPEACHMENT TERRITORY’

    The latest development comes after details of a memo written by sacked FBI Director James Comey were made public.

    In the memo, Comey claims the US President asked him to shut down a federal investigation into former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn’s ties with Russia.

    Harvard University Professor David Gergen, formerly an adviser to four former presidents, has warned the latest bombshell could be the undoing of Mr Trump’s presidency.

    “After watching the Clinton impeachment I thought I’d never see another one,” Mr Gergen told CNN.


    “But I think we are in impeachment territory now for the first time.”


    Political analyst David Gergen believes Donald Trump is now “in impeachment territory”. Picture: APSource:AP

    He said the obstruction of justice was the number one charge against Richard Nixon which brought him down, and also the charge against Bill Clinton which led to his indictment in the House.

    “I’m a lapsed lawyer, I cannot tell you whether it meets all the legal definitions but I tell ya from a lay point of view it looked like he was trying to impede the investigation.”.

    He added: “What we see is a presidency that’s starting to come apart”.


    WHITE HOUSE IN DAMAGE CONTROL

    The Republican chairman of the House oversight committee says he plans to demand that the Justice Department turn over all memos written by Comey concerning his past meetings with Mr Trump.

    Utah Republican Jason Chaffetz told The Associated Press the memo raises concerns “about improper interference placed on an active investigation.”

    He says he has ordered staffers to draft a letter to Justice Department officials seeking Comey’s memos.

    The letter is expected Tuesday night local time.

    Chaffetz said he will use the authority of a congressional subpoena if necessary.

    “I have my subpoena pen ready,” he tweeted.

    The White House was quick to dispute the report by the New York Times.

    The Times reported that Trump made the request during a February Oval Office meeting.

    The newspaper cited a memo Comey wrote shortly after the conversation.

    Flynn resigned the day before the February 14 meeting, after it was revealed he apparently had lied to him about the nature of his contacts with Russia’s ambassador.

    The Times said Trump told Comey, “I hope you can let this go.”

    “While the President has repeatedly expressed his view that General Flynn is a decent man who served and protected our country, the President has never asked Mr Comey or anyone else to end any investigation, including any investigation involving General Flynn,” the White House said in a statement.

    Trump abruptly fired Comey last week, saying he did so based on his very public handling of the Hillary Clinton email probe.


    Donald Trump with Michael Flynn.Source:Getty Images

    The Justice Department declined to comment.

    According to the Times, Comey wrote in the memo that Trump told him Flynn had done nothing wrong.

    But Comey did not say anything to Trump about limiting the investigation, replying, “I agree he is a good guy.”

    Top Senate Democrat Chuck Schumer said “history is watching” and “the country is being tested in unprecedented ways” in the wake of the New York Times story.

    Schumer said in a brief, sombre floor speech on Tuesday that he was “shaken” by the report that Trump asked Comey “to shut down an active investigation into a close political associate.” Schumer has been urging Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein to name a special counsel to investigate Russian interference into last year’s campaign and ties between Russian and Trump associates, including Flynn.

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    REPUBLICANS: COMEY SHOULD TESTIFY

    Republicans caught off-guard by the latest revelation insisted they wanted to hear from Comey.

    “Let’s get to the bottom of what happened with the director. And the best way to get to the bottom of it is for him to testify ... I’m not going to take a memo, I want the guy to come in,” said South Carolina Republican Senator Lindsey Graham.

    Addressing the Comey memo, Republican Blake Farenthold of Texas said: “If Comey felt like the president was trying to obstruct justice, Comey would have been duty-bound to report it to the DOJ and act on it. And we’re not hearing that happened. I think this is another example of whatever Trump does gets the worst possible spin.”

    While a number of prominent Republican senators displayed anxiety and displeasure over the unfolding revelations, the party did not appear poised to abandon a president who remains critical to their goals of acting on health care and tax legislation.

    Several came to his defence and sought to close ranks.

    “There isn’t anybody who can run the White House without criticism,” said Senator Orrin Hatch of Utah, a senior politician.

    “This man has been subject to more criticism than any predecessor that I know of. They hate him, they didn’t like the fact that he won, he beat their favourite, it was a remarkable election.”


    Republicans say they want to hear from James Comey, the former FBI Director.Source:AP

    TRUMP ‘DIDN’T KNOW SOURCE OF INTEL’

    Mr Trump’s national security adviser has denied the US president had caused a “lapse in national security” following reports he disclosed highly-classified information about Islamic State to Russian officials.

    “The premise of that article is false, that in any way the president had a conversation that was inappropriate or that resulted in any kind of lapse in national security,” National Security Adviser H.R. McMaster told a White House briefing on Tuesday.

    He also said Mr Trump “in no way compromised any sources or methods”, adding that the US leader didn’t know where information that he shared with Russian officials came from.

    General McMaster said that Mr Trump hadn’t been briefed on the source or method of the information, but didn’t deny that Mr Trump had discussed classified information with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov and Moscow’s ambassador to the US, Sergey Kislyak.

    The New York Times reports that the intelligence was provided by Israel.




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    Asked about concerns Mr Trump could have jeopardised US intelligence relationships by sharing with Russia information supplied by an ally, General McMaster responded: “I’m not concerned at all. The conversation was wholly appropriate.”

    He said the real threat to national security was leakers “releasing information to the press.”

    After The Washington Post reported that Mr Trump shared classified information with Russian officials, General McMaster told reporters: “I was in the room. It didn’t happen.”

    It was revealed Mr Trump was later informed that he had broken protocol, with White House officials reaching out to the National Security Agency and the CIA in an effort to contain any damage.


    National Security Adviser H.R McMaster said Donald Trump’s discussion with Russian officials was “wholly appropriate”.Source:AFP

    TURNBULL ‘NOT CONCERNED’ BY INTEL SHARING

    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has refused to comment on reports US President Donald Trump shared sensitive information with Russia’s ambassador but says Australia’s intelligence sharing relationship with the US is as “close as it possibly could be”.

    “We have no concerns about any other country having privileged access to information we don’t have,” Mr Turnbull told reporters in Brisbane today.

    He assured the public national security was his highest priority but he would not feed “speculative commentary in the media” over the reports.

    “Intelligence matters and spies are always of great interest — in my youth I spent quite a bit of my time in a big trial involving an old MI5 agent — but I have to say as Prime Minister, protecting our national security and the national interest, I have to be circumspect and discrete on matters of national security,” he said.

    “It is my highest priority.

    “My job is not to feed speculative commentary in the media.

    “My job is to ensure that Australians are safe.”


    Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull says Australia’s intelligence sharing relationship with the US is as “close as it possibly could be”.Source:AAP

    TRUMP DEFENDS INFORMATION OVERSHARE

    Mr Trump has defended his discussion of classified information with the Russians, saying he wanted to share “facts pertaining to terrorism and airline flight safety.”

    The Washington Post reported on Monday (local time) that Mr Trump divulged highly classified “codeword” information that could enable the Russians to trace the source of the intelligence.

    Mr Trump met Mr Lavrov and Mr Kislyak in the Oval Office last week.

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    As President I wanted to share with Russia (at an openly scheduled W.H. meeting) which I have the absolute right to do, facts pertaining....

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    ...to terrorism and airline flight safety. Humanitarian reasons, plus I want Russia to greatly step up their fight against ISIS & terrorism.


    Russia’s foreign ministry spokesman has denied reports that Mr Trump revealed classified information to the senior officials.

    The Washington Post reported that the revelation put a source of intelligence on the Islamic State jihadist group at risk.

    Maria Zakharova, spokeswoman for the Russian foreign ministry, on Facebook on Tuesday described the reports as “yet another fake.”

    “Guys, are you reading American newspapers again? You shouldn’t. You could use them for something else,” Ms Zakharova said in the post.

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    US President Donald Trump speaks with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov (left) and Russian Ambassador to the US, Sergei Kislyak during the meeting at the White House in Washington DC. Picture: Russian Foreign Ministry.Source:AFP

    Other foreign governments have expressed concern and say they may stop sharing information as freely with the US.

    “This could be a risk to our sources,” one European intelligence official said, on condition of anonymity.

    Senior German politician Burkhard Lischka said in a statement that “if it proves to be true that the American president passed on internal intelligence matters that would be highly worrying.”

    The reports came several days after the White House faced criticism for a possible security breach after it allowed a Russian news service photographer into the Oval Office to snap photos of Mr Trump with Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak last week.

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    A Russian news service photographer was the only outlet allowed in as Trump met Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the White House. Picture: Russian Foreign Ministry.Source:AFP

    TURNBULL WON’T COMMENT ON LEAK

    Australian Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull would not comment on the Post report or say whether the report will affect Australia’s intelligence-sharing agreement with the US.

    Australia is a member of the Five Eyes intelligence-sharing program with the US, Canada, Britain and New Zealand.

    Mr Turnbull called the Australian-US alliance “the bedrock of our national security.”

    New Zealand’s Foreign Affairs Minister Gerry Brownlee said in a statement that the report was rejected by senior US officials.

    Mr Brownlee said a resolution to the situation in Syria requires a concerted effort from the US and Russia. Mr Brownlee said he hoped the meeting between Mr Trump and Mr Lavrov “is a step towards that.”

    PM not concerned after Trump leak reports

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    TRUMP TO VISIT BETHLEHEM

    Mr Trump will meet Palestinian officials in the West Bank town of Bethlehem next week, after talks with Israeli leaders in Jerusalem.

    General McMaster told reporters on Tuesday that, while in the Palestinian territories, Mr Trump “will convey the eagerness to facilitate an agreement that ends the conflict and he will urge leaders to take steps that will help lead to peace.”

    US President Donald Trump (right) meets Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas at the White House.Source:AFP

    ‘TURKEY UNBEATABLE AGAINST TERROR’

    Mr Trump said the US and Turkey are “confronting the shared threats” of terrorism together, following a meeting with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    “Today we face a new enemy in the fight against terrorism, and again we seek to face this threat together,” he said on Tuesday.

    “The Turkish people have faced horrible terrorist attacks in recent years and even recently.” Mr Trump said that the US-Turkish “relationship that we have together will be unbeatable” against the Islamic State movement in Syria and Iraq, which border Turkey.

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    US President Donald Trump shakes hands with President Recep Tayyip Erdogan of Turkey in the Oval Office of the White House.Source:AFP

    FOX NEWS HOST SAYS SHE’S SPICER REPLACEMENT

    Fox News host Kimberly Guilfoyle claims she’s in talks with the Trump administration to replace Sean Spicer as press secretary.

    “I’m a patriot, and it would be an honour to serve the country,” Ms Guilfoyle, 48, told The Mercury News. “I think it’d be a fascinating job, it’s a challenging job, and you need someone really determined and focused, a great communicator in there with deep knowledge to be able to handle that position.”

    During one of her shows last week, she outlined what it takes to be a successful spokesperson.

    “If you want to be successful and do communications with President Trump, you have to be someone who he actually wants to spend a little bit of time with,” she said.

    “You’ve got to insist on getting in front of POTUS, talk to him, and have like five, six minutes with him before you go out there and take the podium, and otherwise you’re driving blind.”

    http://www.news.com.au/world/north-...t/news-story/bfd57d73eff37f4708c24ccc103d3241
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Moderator

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    Trump is looking like a major noob.

    It's been about 4 months; @pmaitra @Project Dharma any change from your intial assesments of Trump?
     
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    So it was Israeli intelligence information he shared to russians ..funny guy really .. He has some serious mental disorder ..this guy reminds me exactly the last stage what Shakespeare used to talk about in all the world's a stage..The last stage of old age makes few behave exactly like the infants ..And the people of america got one a very big child who is going to play with their lives ..

    Karma is bitch it delivers sure in amerika case it came little late but sure latest to screw it up ..

     
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    @lcafanboy, may I broaden the topic a bit? I want to include the following in the discussion:
    1. Israel
    2. ISIS
    3. Russia
    4. US Deep State
    5. And, here's the topping of the cake - Seth Rich.
     
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    While it's clear that some in the Intel community (probably leftovers from Obama or those for whom Trump is abhorrent) are trying to delegitamize Trump, it's undeniable that there are serious competence issued with the commander in chief that renders any information shared with him susseptible to being shared with undesirable people.
     
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    I want to write a commentary on this, either here, or in a new thread.
     
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    Putin and his sense of humour:

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    If you think he's major Noob then what will you call Morarji Desai?

    He disclosed all our RAW agents and deep assets which We had who were working in various parts of Pakistan. These agents were eyes and ears of Indian intelligence and Pakistan was very much fearful of RAW as it had upper hand than ISI. Amongst these agents was a sitting higher ranking Pakistan Army officer who were all caught by Pakistan and we lost our intelligence edge over Pakistan forever and are still struggling to develop the assets we once had.

    No doubt he was awarded Nishan e Pakistan. So Trump is late to the party we are 4 decades ahead.

    @pmaitra
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Moderator

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    If the reports are true, something similar has happened.
    Trump's blabbering will give russia the ability to track back and find the source(s) of the intel and agents might get exposed.
     
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    He is a Russian tool, maybe I'm just being paranoid but something sinister seems to be going on behind the scenes. Why are the racist alt righters so pro Russia all of a sudden? The liberal media has also gone nuts, every single headline is a clickbait and seems to be focusing hard on the narrative of impeachment. As if you wish for it and it comes true. Also, Bannon is very quiet all of a sudden, we don't hear about him anymore. Almost like this whole Russia thing is a distraction for what is coming up next. It is like the shower before the thunderstorm and I don't like it one bit.
     
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    Razor CIDs from Tamilnadu Moderator

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    I don't know if he's indeed a russian tool but the "alt righters" (who are essentially white nationalists with a fancy name) have always (not all of a sudden) been pro-russia. The reason is they are not acquainted with facts.
    They believe russia to be the last bastion of the white race (Hint: Not true) and a pure "aryan" country :lol:
    Fact is among the europids, russians have the highest levels of mongoloid genes, thanks to chinghis khan and his merry men, and countless other invaders from the vastness of the steppe.
     
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    They are also very conservative, Christian, anti Gay, anti Jew and so forth. I didn't know about the white nationalist fascination with the Russians. I've followed Stormfront for a long time and most people there seemed to be aware of the Mongolian influence. However, Stormfront might be the elite amongst the alt right and could be not representative of the ignorance of most.
     
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    Yup, xtian and anti-jew esp. anti-jew, that seems to be the uniting factor of all kinds of neo-nazis, wh.supremacists etc.
    I think they are pissed off that jews are doing so spectacularly well and wield so much power (through questionable means) in western society, hence the butt-hurt.
    I don't follow stormfront except for when linked to, but that is a whole different level of craziness.
    The alt-righters see Russia as something that will stand up against US, but imo russia has for centuries (excepting a few gaps) tried to get western recognition, only to be buzzed off by them.
     
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