Trump, Trade, Tariffs, Mexico, and the Wall

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However, if the consumers pay a high enough price for imported Mexican products, and if the price is high enough to match the price of something produced within the US, then will that not spur domestic manufacturing of the same products, and will that not eventually result in US made products replacing Mexican made products, thus producing more jobs in the US?
Maybe not! The reason that these products were imported or manufactured in Mexico in the first place was: because of NAFTA, importation from Mexico was cheaper than importing from other countries, such as China, south east Asia. So, increase tariff on Mexican importation will more likely push consumers to other foreign manufacturer instead of domestic factories.
 

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Why the hell did I support Donald Trump for POTUS instead of Rand Paul or Austin Petersen in the first place? That was a giant mistake.
 

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The reason why you have a belligerent China is because of the insane amount of shit they get away with thanks to the liberal pansies. They flout International norms openly and build fortresses on disputed territory.

Trump has made a sign equal to flipping off this international order. By building a wall heavily taxing Mexico and robbing it off remittances, Mexico will be bled dry like a stuck pig. Manufacturing jobs and union labour will have to move back or face mass extinction. Even exodus won't help as regulations in EU are too expensive, China is unreliable and India needs atleast 3-5 years to develop provided BJP stays in power.

If China interferes this is violation of US's Monroe doctrine and will signal active interference and super aggressive behavior by US in SCS and China's manufacturing base, giving a cunt kick to China. All jobs will move to India - Vietnam - even US.

Either way Trump wins and liberalism dies.....

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You forgot Africa .

Vietnam is a very small country that is not Important for USA .................Africa can provide more cheap labors & Raw materials etc to American companies .
 

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You forgot Africa .

Vietnam is a very small country that is not Important for USA .................Africa can provide more cheap labors & Raw materials etc to American companies .
Africa has a new massa - China. It makes them politically unreliable. In 1960s the US was importing cobalt from congo or zaire as it was then known for its fighter jets. Unstable dictatorships pay lower dividends and hence are not worth the time and money to support nowadays.
 

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i didn't get your calculation...
America has a trade deficit of 50 billion annually with mexico.
More imports from US to Mexico. As per ex mexican president Vincent Fox, if mexico charges 20% import tax on US products the figure will amount to that ratio. So Mexico will gain more and US will lose.
 

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Mehico Prez says he ain't gonpay for no wall.
Trump replies saying that spics better pay for the damn wall or the mexprez ain't gonbe meeting no american president in the upcoming meet.
Mexican President promptly cancels the meet.
:lol:

We got weekly shows folks. Grab ze popcorn.
Genres are mostly comedy.
Mexican President promptly cancels the meet ?
 

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A device has been invented to defeat walls, it's called a ladder :pound:
That's a fence doe.

Trump wants to build a wall, a beautiful one mind you and it's gonna be 30 feet tall and beautiful. And Mexico WILL pay, goddamnit.

Also in that pic, shouldn't trump be orange and not green?
 

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Mexican President promptly cancels the meet ?
Yes he cancelled the meet after Trump's tweet threatening mexico prez that he (trump) won't meet him if the mex prez doesn't pay for the beautiful wall.
 

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That's a fence doe.

Trump wants to build a wall, a beautiful one mind you and it's gonna be 30 feet tall and beautiful. And Mexico WILL pay, goddamnit.

Also in that pic, shouldn't trump be orange and not green?
That's Pepe a meme. The fence is a simple drawing. If wire fences were weak, why cant the rabid mullahs across the border just jump the LOC and not wait for winter before they make a move?
 

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http://www.ronpaulinstitute.org/arc...0/a-better-solution-than-trump-s-border-wall/


Just one week in office, President Trump is already following through on his pledge to address illegal immigration. His January 25th executive order called for the construction of a wall along the entire length of the US-Mexico border. While he is right to focus on the issue, there are several reasons why his proposed solution will unfortunately not lead us anywhere closer to solving the problem.

First, the wall will not work. Texas already started building a border fence about ten years ago. It divided people from their own property across the border, it deprived people of their land through the use of eminent domain, and in the end the problem of drug and human smuggling was not solved.

Second, the wall will be expensive. The wall is estimated to cost between 12 and 15 billion dollars. You can bet it will be more than that. President Trump has claimed that if the Mexican government doesn’t pay for it, he will impose a 20 percent duty on products imported from Mexico. Who will pay this tax? Ultimately, the American consumer, as the additional costs will be passed on. This will of course hurt the poorest Americans the most.

Third, building a wall ignores the real causes of illegal border crossings into the United States. Though President Trump is right to prioritize the problem of border security, he misses the point on how it can be done effectively and at an actual financial benefit to the country rather than a huge economic drain.

The solution to really addressing the problem of illegal immigration, drug smuggling, and the threat of cross-border terrorism is clear: remove the welfare magnet that attracts so many to cross the border illegally, stop the 25 year US war in the Middle East, and end the drug war that incentivizes smugglers to cross the border.

The various taxpayer-funded programs that benefit illegal immigrants in the United States, such as direct financial transfers, medical benefits, food assistance, and education, cost an estimated $100 billion dollars per year. That is a significant burden on citizens and legal residents. The promise of free money, free food, free education, and free medical care if you cross the border illegally is a powerful incentive for people to do so. It especially makes no sense for the United States government to provide these services to those who are not in the US legally.

Likewise, the 40 year war on drugs has produced no benefit to the American people at a great cost. It is estimated that since President Nixon declared a war on drugs, the US has spent more than a trillion dollars to fight what is a losing battle. That is because just as with the welfare magnet, there is an enormous incentive to smuggle drugs into the United States.

We already know the effect that ending the war on drugs has on illegal smuggling: as more and more US states decriminalize marijuana for medical and recreational uses, marijuana smuggling from Mexico to the US has dropped by 50 percent from 2010.

Finally, the threat of terrorists crossing into the United States from Mexico must be taken seriously, however once again we must soberly consider why they may seek to do us harm. We have been dropping bombs on the Middle East since at least 1990. Last year President Obama dropped more than 26,000 bombs. Thousands of civilians have been killed in US drone attacks. The grand US plan to “remake” the Middle East has produced only misery, bloodshed, and terrorism. Ending this senseless intervention will go a long way toward removing the incentive to attack the United States.

I believe it is important for the United States to have secure borders, but unfortunately President Trump’s plan to build a wall will end up costing a fortune while ignoring the real problem of why people cross the borders illegally. They will keep coming as long as those incentives remain.
 

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Cost shouldn't matter to US. Their defense budget itself is so high that for 1 year they can deduce this money from that. 15 billion is nothing.
 

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Whats the better solution again? I didn't catch that anywhere in the article.
 

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