Trump may ask India to send troops to Afghanistan

[Suryavanshi]

Train a few Afghan soldiers in India I mean SF level Training, we will observe how effective these Units are against Taliban.
If successful we would set up infrastructure in Afghanistan to raise more units and later may even send our own boots to the field.

@Vijyes @spikey360 @mayfair @Mangal how competent are Afghan military anyway?

 

[Vijyes]

Train a few Afghan soldiers in India I mean SF level Training, we will observe how effective these Units are against Taliban.
If successful we would set up infrastructure in Afghanistan to raise more units and later may even send our own boots to the field.

@Vijyes @spikey360 @mayfair @Mangal how competent are Afghan military anyway?

Afghanistan military is not well equipped but the pashtuns are real fighters and don't surrender like Iraqi soldiers. The fighting morale is high amongst Pashtuns in general.

Afghanistan army is decently trained by US and India but not extraordinary training. Training is not everything. Even Pakistani BAT force is trained but they were once caught by farmers in Punjab and handed over to Army. Training does only so much.

In general, Afghanistan army is poorly equipped. They have guns and ammunition but not enough mechanised units, artillery etc. They are decently trained, have military tradition. They are competent but weak

 

[Suryavanshi]

Afghanistan military is not well equipped but the pashtuns are real fighters and don't surrender like Iraqi soldiers. The fighting morale is high amongst Pashtuns in general.

Afghanistan army is decently trained by US and India but not extraordinary training. Training is not everything. Even Pakistani BAT force is trained but they were once caught by farmers in Punjab and handed over to Army. Training does only so much.

In general, Afghanistan army is poorly equipped. They have guns and ammunition but not enough mechanised units, artillery etc. They are decently trained, have military tradition. They are competent but weak

So the better option would be to donate our aging weapons to Afghanistan, but off course they need infrastructure to maintain these first.

 

[SELVAM]

So the better option would be to donate our aging weapons to Afghanistan, but off course they need infrastructure to maintain these first.

Afghanistan infantry men r well equipped. We need to first improve our infantry men kit first

 

[Vijyes]

Afghanistan infantry men r well equipped. We need to first improve our infantry men kit first

What kind of equipment do they have? Guns and ammos are something even useless Somali pirates have.

What is the improvement needed for our infantry? Explain

 

[SELVAM]

What kind of equipment do they have? Guns and ammos are something even useless Somali pirates have.

What is the improvement needed for our infantry? Explain

See the pics of indian infantry men and Afghan infantry men. Afghan infantry men kit is as good as indian if not better

 

[spikey360]

Iran is not at all friendly. Forget about Shia help. Iran, in fact tried to destroy Salma Dam built by India and had trued to stop it several times as it reduces water into iran.

Pakistan is not afraid of Indian hardware in Afghanistan. India doesn't have logistics and are a sitting duck. Bases are useful as long as it can be well supplied and defended. Just setting up a base in the middle of hostile territory is asking for trouble. India can't do a sweep of Afghanistan as that will raise hostilities between India and Afghanis. It will only cause massive casualties to Indians as Pakistan will be easily able to supply Taliban while India will have no supplies.

Your covert operation strategy is meaningless as nothing big can be done to arabs as that will cut oil supply to the world. The jihadis are funded by arabs and no matter what, unless the supply of arms and funds from Arabs end or a genocide is done, the problem of jihad can't ever end. Neither of this is possible now. So, please don't be unnecessarily hawkish

Your answer is practical and takes into consideration most of the realities. To that I agree, Yes.
But to solve an intractable problem such as Afghanistan - which threatens to be everybody's problem very very soon, one needs to be more enterprising.
If the Gordian knot cannot be untied, so be it, cut it.
I think you are overestimating highly the capability of NaPakistan and greatly underestimating the abilities of your own country. Logistics is a problem, yes. No one disagrees. Even for the Americans, it was a problem.
I fail to understand why you are thinking that boots on ground = war. If that means a war, it would mean a two front war for Pakistan. Do you think an imbecile and impotent a country such as Pak, can afford a two front war? Do you think our Army in the Eastern front for Pakistan will be sitting on their hands while they attack in the west? If Pakistan wants a war when we deploy in Afghanistan, it will get a war like it has never got before. Furthermore, you talk greatly of logistics and all, are you aware of the Farkhor Air Base in Tajikistan?
We could raid Pakistan in a matter of hours.

Some idiot (not you) here was crying himself hoarse about logistics and supply lines, but ignorant that he was, does not even know that we already have a base in Tajikistan through which we supported Northern Alliance.
These new strategic wannabees who are now posting here barely know that strategic moves by India pre American invasion and how deeply we are involved in there. There is much more to Indian presence in Af than that which meets the eye. All we want to do now is that - which meets the eye.

As far as Arabs are concerned, they are done for.
All they can fund now are car bombs which blow their own co-religionists up. You make mountain of a mole-hill.
When was the last time an attack happened anywhere in the world which had connections to Saudi Arabia or Yemen even? I do not recall any, going even a decade back.

 

[spikey360]

@Vijyes @spikey360 @mayfair @Mangal how competent are Afghan military anyway?

Not bad. But they are not equipped with the required machinery. Otherwise, they are as competent as any military in the subcontinent (barring naPak, of course).

 

[Mangal]

US can't stay in Afghanistan forever. There will come a time when they will leave. Then similar to Iraq there would be power vacuum. Now guess who is gonna take milage out of it. China and it's slave Pakistan will move in. Russia is another contender. India even if it wants to can't afford to sit on fence.
Another thing is other than US, troops of several other NATO countries are/were present in Afghanistan after US invasion. Like canada, Germany, france, Greece. Why can't India which has so much at stake contribute in similar numbers. Not a very large contingent but a visibly strong one.

 

[indus]

US can't stay in Afghanistan forever. There will come a time when they will leave.

US is in a hurry to leave. That is why they want someone else to sweep the mess they created in AfPak. And India is the best contender. US doesnt want return of Russians and want to keep Chinese out. Pak as usual will keep spoiling the game by sleeping with the one who gives best rate to them. That leaves only India on which US can rely for a stable Afghanistan. Its upto India to take the bait or not. Afghans have friendly relations with India makes the job abit easier. But its a risk someday India should take.

 

[mayfair]

Lots of experts here who still cannot bother come up with the exact tonnage of supplies and equipment one can safely and regularly transport to Afghanistan via an air corridor or Air plus land, bypassing Pakistan and that will be enough to support a strong troop deployment 365 24/7.

Do remember, Chabahar is still 18 months away.

 

[spikey360]

Taliban leader reverses stance on ISIS, says groups should not fight each other
RT
The leader of the Taliban extremist group in Afghanistan has reportedly ordered his militants to stop fighting against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS, ISIL) because the two share common goals. The two groups have been sworn enemies since 2015.

Taliban leader Hebatullah Akhundzada allegedly issued new instructions, ordering Taliban militants not to confront ISIS fighters, Afghan 1TV reported Friday, citing a senior security official.

Both organizations are considered terrorist groups by many countries, and both are banned in Russia.

The supposed new order came some 10 days ago, during Akhundzada's visit to the district of Musa Qala, the Taliban’s stronghold in Afghanistan’s Helmand province. The Taliban leader was reportedly joined on the trip by the members of the Leadership Council, the so-called Quetta Shura, and the Taliban-appointed “governors” from all over Afghanistan.

If true, the move signals a sharp turn in the relationship between the two groups, which are both notorious for their brutality, mass executions and attacks on civilians.

Back in 2015 it was reported that the Taliban and ISIS had declared a “jihad,” or holy war, against each other, with ISIS leader Abdu Bakar Al-Baghdadi allegedly calling the late Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar “a fool and illiterate idiot.”

Speaking to RT in June, Andrey Novikov, the head of the Anti-Terrorist Center (ATC) of the Commonwealth of Independent States, noted that growing Taliban activity in northern Afghanistan, which borders on Central Asian CIS states, may indicate that some Taliban commanders might be switching sides to ISIS, which is expanding its influence in the region.

A possibility that the groups have mended their ties could pose a serious challenge to international anti-terrorist coalitions if the extremists manage to pool their strength together in war-torn Afghanistan.

News for Taliban supporting fool on this forum!
@sthf

If you can't argue on the merit of logic and reasoning then shut the fuck up and let people with superior intellect school you in geo-politics and warfare.

[Mod Edit: --Redacted--]

@Vijyes do have a read too, since you advocate so fiercefully our isolationist strategy.

 

[Vijyes]

Taliban leader reverses stance on ISIS, says groups should not fight each other
RT
The leader of the Taliban extremist group in Afghanistan has reportedly ordered his militants to stop fighting against Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS, ISIL) because the two share common goals. The two groups have been sworn enemies since 2015.

Taliban leader Hebatullah Akhundzada allegedly issued new instructions, ordering Taliban militants not to confront ISIS fighters, Afghan 1TV reported Friday, citing a senior security official.

Both organizations are considered terrorist groups by many countries, and both are banned in Russia.

The supposed new order came some 10 days ago, during Akhundzada's visit to the district of Musa Qala, the Taliban’s stronghold in Afghanistan’s Helmand province. The Taliban leader was reportedly joined on the trip by the members of the Leadership Council, the so-called Quetta Shura, and the Taliban-appointed “governors” from all over Afghanistan.

If true, the move signals a sharp turn in the relationship between the two groups, which are both notorious for their brutality, mass executions and attacks on civilians.

Back in 2015 it was reported that the Taliban and ISIS had declared a “jihad,” or holy war, against each other, with ISIS leader Abdu Bakar Al-Baghdadi allegedly calling the late Taliban leader Mullah Mohammad Omar “a fool and illiterate idiot.”

Speaking to RT in June, Andrey Novikov, the head of the Anti-Terrorist Center (ATC) of the Commonwealth of Independent States, noted that growing Taliban activity in northern Afghanistan, which borders on Central Asian CIS states, may indicate that some Taliban commanders might be switching sides to ISIS, which is expanding its influence in the region.

A possibility that the groups have mended their ties could pose a serious challenge to international anti-terrorist coalitions if the extremists manage to pool their strength together in war-torn Afghanistan.

News for Taliban supporting fool on this forum!
@sthf

Now, you should "shut the fuck up"

@Vijyes do have a read too, since you advocate so fiercefully our isolationist strategy.

I don't recommend isolation. I just say that all muslim = jihadi. There is nothing called good and bad muslim. Even Afghanistan government has sympathy for Jihad but they have to rely of US food aid and have a political struggle with Pakistan. Pakistan is extremely fanatical that it is unwilling to let Afghanistan ruled by Afghans. They want to usurp that via proxy of Taliban.

So,there is no point in sending troops to Afghanistan. If Afghanistan was a buddhist/hindu/jew/Christian country, then my stance would be different.

 

[spikey360]

So,there is no point in sending troops to Afghanistan. If Afghanistan was a buddhist/hindu/jew/Christian country, then my stance would be different.

Then we should have sent our troops to Myanmar to finish the job the Burmese Army had started. But we didn't did we?

 

[Mangal]

Train a few Afghan soldiers in India I mean SF level Training, we will observe how effective these Units are against Taliban.
If successful we would set up infrastructure in Afghanistan to raise more units and later may even send our own boots to the field.

@Vijyes @spikey360 @mayfair @Mangal how competent are Afghan military anyway?

Afghans have gear available similar to US but not all troops have it. They have been trained by US, NATO allies and Indian army with a mix of private contractors as well which also includes retired British army Gurkhas. But there have been incidents where they have just ran away leaving behind their colleagues and equipment. We must understand that Afghanistan which we see today is a relatively a young nation.

 

[spikey360]

There is nothing called good and bad muslim. Even Afghanistan government has sympathy for Jihad but they have to rely of US food aid and have a political struggle with Pakistan. Pakistan is extremely fanatical that it is unwilling to let Afghanistan ruled by Afghans. They want to usurp that via proxy of Taliban.

Get one thing straight, we care two hoots for whoever/whatever lives in Afghanistan. It does not matter.
We want the land, the resources, plain and simple.

 

[SELVAM]

Get one thing straight, we care two hoots for whoever/whatever lives in Afghanistan. It does not matter.
We want the land, the resources, plain and simple.

Only resource in Afghanistan is opium. Good luck with that

 

[Mangal]

Only resource in Afghanistan is opium. Good luck with that

You are forgetting it's strategic importance buddy. It doesn't matter who lives there. Deciding where to venture and where not too based on ethnicity and religion is stupid. I am sorry if that sounds rude. Moreover, try to read about second Anglo Afghan war. British Indian army routed the same people.

 

[SELVAM]

You are forgetting it's strategic importance buddy. It doesn't matter who lives there. Deciding where to venture and where not too based on ethnicity and religion is stupid. I am sorry if that sounds rude. Moreover, try to read about second Anglo Afghan war. British Indian army routed the same people.

We dont hav supply route to deploy troops there. Thats the main thing. Also we hav nothing to gain by deploying troops there. Afghan society is beyond repair. You can't do anything meaningful there. Best option for us is continuation of status quo

 

[singhboy98]

Afghans have gear available similar to US but not all troops have it. They have been trained by US, NATO allies and Indian army with a mix of private contractors as well which also includes retired British army Gurkhas. But there have been incidents where they have just ran away leaving behind their colleagues and equipment. We must understand that Afghanistan which we see today is a relatively a young nation.

I guess the leadership of the ANA leaves a lot to be desired. The Afghans were supposed to be made of tougher stuff. One recourse can be that the officers of ANA be that the trained with Indian officers. And by train, I mean train from the get-go. This would mean mixing Afghani cadets with Indian cadets in the IMA (or from the NDA itself if possible). I do not know the feasibility of this plan however.