Trump Makes Huge Anti-Pakistan Move

[aditya10r]

How the fuck does o e tweet changes everything???????????


All talk no show.

We have to enchanter our own path,we cannot ask other countries to fight our battles and deal with our terror problem.

 

[Sancho]

How the fuck does o e tweet changes everything???????????


All talk no show.

We have to enchanter our own path,we cannot ask other countries to fight our battles and deal with our terror problem.

True, Indias security must remain in our own hands and not in foreign hands, that themselves still has to prove to be reliable to India.
There is also the common misconception, that US going against Pakistan would be good for India, the opposite is the case!
US had somewhat control over Pakistan for decades and were able to limit arms and tech supplies to them. China on the other hand, doesn't impose such limitations and actually provides Pakistan with state of the art capabilities, that increases the threat to India (AWACS, stand off weapons, AESA radar, AIP subs and now even armed drones, stealth fighters and modern stealth frigates are under consideration).
Pakistan is just changing the sugar daddy that pays them and the new one is far more generous, so they don't really care about Trumps threats.

 

[Akshay_Fenix]

Pakistan blacklists Hafiz Saeed’s JuD, FIF amid US pressure

NEW DELHI: Amid growing pressure from Trump administration to crack down on terror outfits, Pakistan interior ministry on Saturday blacklisted 26/11 Mumbai terror attack mastermind Hafiz Saeed's organization Jamaat-ud-Dawa+ (JuD) and several other terror organizations, reported Express News.

The move comes a day after the US suspended about $2 billion in security aid to Pakistan for failing to clamp down on the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani Network terror groups and dismantle their safe havens.

US President Donald Trump had on January 1 accused Pakistan of giving nothing to the US but "lies and deceit" and providing "safe haven" to terrorists in return for $33 billion aid over the last 15 years.

Rattled by US threat and under pressure to win back its trust, Pakistan interior ministry in a press release made public as many as 72 groups banned by it. The list also includes a subsidiary of JuD known as Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation.

Pakistan has also blocked financial assistance of any sort to the blacklisted organizations. The press release stated that providing any kind of assistance to any of the blacklisted organisations, financially or otherwise, would be a punishable offence.

Earlier this month, Pakistan's financial regulatory body had banned Saeed's organizations from collecting donations.
In January last year, the Pakistan government had launched a crackdown against JuD, placing Saeed under house arrest.
However, Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Saeed, was released in November 2017 after the Lahore high court refused to extend the period of his confinement.
Following his release, terrorist Saeed announced entry into politics and said that he will be contesting the 2018 general elections in Pakistan.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...sts-hafiz-saeeds-jud/articleshow/62395960.cms

 

[mattster]

With the US kicking Pak to the curb like a diseased stray dog; China and Pakistan are now involved in a kind of sick 69 type "mutual fellatio" relationship.

Sooner or later, one member of this romantic tango is going to bite the other member's pecker off !!

It will be fun for all the spectators on the sidelines to watch !!

 

[Wisemarko]

All talk and little action. Without Pakistan support, US cannot continue Afghanistan operations and that is the reality. US is not planning to leave Afghanistan for now and therefore sooner or later, both parties will come to some understanding. The uneasiness and status quo will continue unless something major changes.
I wonder if India and Iran can offer Chabahar port as an affordable alternative.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

I wonder if India and Iran can offer Chabahar port as an affordable alternative.

It would not be wise for India to offer Chabahar to US.

 

[Mikesingh]

Pakistan blacklists Hafiz Saeed’s JuD, FIF amid US pressure

NEW DELHI: Amid growing pressure from Trump administration to crack down on terror outfits, Pakistan interior ministry on Saturday blacklisted 26/11 Mumbai terror attack mastermind Hafiz Saeed's organization Jamaat-ud-Dawa+ (JuD) and several other terror organizations, reported Express News.

The move comes a day after the US suspended about $2 billion in security aid to Pakistan for failing to clamp down on the Afghan Taliban and the Haqqani Network terror groups and dismantle their safe havens.

US President Donald Trump had on January 1 accused Pakistan of giving nothing to the US but "lies and deceit" and providing "safe haven" to terrorists in return for $33 billion aid over the last 15 years.

Rattled by US threat and under pressure to win back its trust, Pakistan interior ministry in a press release made public as many as 72 groups banned by it. The list also includes a subsidiary of JuD known as Falah-e-Insaniat Foundation.

Pakistan has also blocked financial assistance of any sort to the blacklisted organizations. The press release stated that providing any kind of assistance to any of the blacklisted organisations, financially or otherwise, would be a punishable offence.

Earlier this month, Pakistan's financial regulatory body had banned Saeed's organizations from collecting donations.
In January last year, the Pakistan government had launched a crackdown against JuD, placing Saeed under house arrest.
However, Lashkar-e-Taiba chief Saeed, was released in November 2017 after the Lahore high court refused to extend the period of his confinement.
Following his release, terrorist Saeed announced entry into politics and said that he will be contesting the 2018 general elections in Pakistan.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...sts-hafiz-saeeds-jud/articleshow/62395960.cms

This all eyewash! Nothing is going to change on ground. A doormouse can never change its color.

 

[indus]

It would not be wise for India to offer Chabahar to US.

Chahbahar is not India s property. Iran can only authorise US to use Chahbahr not India.

 

[Mikesingh]

And check this out.....The arms given to Pak by the US surely not for anti terror ops, but to be used against India:

Major post-2001 defence supplies provided or soon to be provided under FMF include eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (valued at $474 million; four delivered, but two of these were destroyed in a March 2011 attack by militants);

6,312 TOW anti-armour missiles ($186 million; at least 2,007 delivered);

More than 5,600 military radio sets ($163 million); six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars ($100 million);

Six C-130E transport aircraft and their refurbishment ($76 million);

The USS McInerney; an ex-Perry class missile frigate (via EDA, $65 million for refurbishment, delivered);

20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters (via EDA, $48 million for refurbishment, 12 delivered); and 121 refurbished TOW missile launchers ($25 million).

Eight F-16s not released so far.

And the Yanks surely are aware that these weapons can be used against India but still continue pumping them with more arms. I wonder how long the US is going to restrict aid to Pak? Is Trump really serious?

 

[Yggdrasil]

And check this out.....The arms given to Pak by the US surely not for anti terror ops, but to be used against India:

Major post-2001 defence supplies provided or soon to be provided under FMF include eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment (valued at $474 million; four delivered, but two of these were destroyed in a March 2011 attack by militants);

6,312 TOW anti-armour missiles ($186 million; at least 2,007 delivered);

More than 5,600 military radio sets ($163 million); six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars ($100 million);

Six C-130E transport aircraft and their refurbishment ($76 million);

The USS McInerney; an ex-Perry class missile frigate (via EDA, $65 million for refurbishment, delivered);

20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters (via EDA, $48 million for refurbishment, 12 delivered); and 121 refurbished TOW missile launchers ($25 million).

Eight F-16s not released so far.

And the Yanks surely are aware that these weapons can be used against India but still continue pumping them with more arms. I wonder how long the US is going to restrict aid to Pak? Is Trump really serious?

Good summary.

As you yourself said, it's all eyewash and nautanki. The US and Pak are both duplicitous countries - they will not bother about India's interests.

If US soldier were not getting killed, the US would still be singing praises of the Porkis and turning a blind eye to LeT, JeM, HM, etc. Trump is purely transactional, and wants X in exchange for Y - once he gets that, he'll move on.

Indians should stop jumping up and down about any developments vis a vis Pakistan and the US, because you can never really trust either country.

 

[indus]

Agree on above points. Plus Trump's actions on Pak are centered around Taliban, Haqqani Network which are a threat to US interests in Afghan. He is least concerned abt LeT, JeM and India specific threats. Some BjP walas are jumping for no reason and wrongly attributing the actions to Modi. Begani shadi me abdulla diwana.

 

[Vinod DX9]

Pak publicly doing something but in reality it is nothing but drama

 

[LETHALFORCE]

https://www.geo.tv/latest/175668-khawaja-asif-says-considers-pakistans-alliance-with-us-over

Foreign Minister Asif says Pakistan alliance with US 'over'

 

[delbruky]

Agree on above points. Plus Trump's actions on Pak are centered around Taliban, Haqqani Network which are a threat to US interests in Afghan. He is least concerned abt LeT, JeM and India specific threats. Some BjP walas are jumping for no reason and wrongly attributing the actions to Modi. Begani shadi me abdulla diwana.

It's a part of PSYOPS warfare and it seems to be working. Nothing wrong with projecting modi that way by the Indian media. Remember, there are more gaddars in India than else where, we need to fix that problem as well. Modi may or may not have a plan for pak, but don't expect him to announce it before hand.

 

[pankaj nema]

Three-member Taliban delegation visits Pakistan
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Looks like Trump's pressure is working

 

[Rahul Prakash]

People who don't know facts talk in fantasy....one of this fantasy talk is that US dollar is going to go down. Reality is that US dollar is going to remain supreme at least as long as members of DFI are alive. (means in our lifetime) Paki pipe dreams of China pulling Paki up is utter nonsense...For next 50 years, China will not be equal to USA.
If USA plays its cards right by India, japan, So Korea, Asean nations on its side...forget 50 years...it will take China 1000 years to reach equal to US.
Modi govt. is playing the cards right because they know the reality and also know that Paki is going to go down continuously in a slow motion decline. It is USA which keeps giving Paki economy oxygen to survive.

Don't be religious,USA is not invincible.when whites are not a majority they will automatically decline.no one cares for USA except for it monies other than white people.the others are just in to milk a cow.

Even if China has an economic slowdown it can comeback again as it has a loyal people who think about themselves as one civilization which USA does not have as it is just a huge bazaar where people find jobs.

For USA military and economy is all they have,for China they have a tribal identity and economy and growing military.

Once USA no one will bother bringing it back but Chinese people will bring it back as long as their population exists in some form or the other but always in Chinese.

What I'm saying is that international respect gone,nothing gone.

Economy,military,culture gone something gone.

Demography gone everything gone.

Moreover we indians must introspect whether w will be lik us

 

[Rahul Prakash]

People who don't know facts talk in fantasy....one of this fantasy talk is that US dollar is going to go down. Reality is that US dollar is going to remain supreme at least as long as members of DFI are alive. (means in our lifetime) Paki pipe dreams of China pulling Paki up is utter nonsense...For next 50 years, China will not be equal to USA.
If USA plays its cards right by India, japan, So Korea, Asean nations on its side...forget 50 years...it will take China 1000 years to reach equal to US.
Modi govt. is playing the cards right because they know the reality and also know that Paki is going to go down continuously in a slow motion decline. It is USA which keeps giving Paki economy oxygen to survive.

Don't be religious,USA is not invincible.when whites are not a majority they will automatically decline.no one cares for USA except for it monies other than white people.the others are just in to milk a cow.

Even if China has an economic slowdown it can comeback again as it has a loyal people who think about themselves as one civilization which USA does not have as it is just a huge bazaar where people find jobs.

For USA military and economy is all they have,for China they have a tribal identity and economy and growing military.

Once USA no one will bother bringing it back but Chinese people will bring it back as long as their population exists in some form or the other but always in Chinese.

What I'm saying is that international respect gone,nothing gone.

Economy,military,culture gone something gone.

Demography gone everything gone.

Moreover we indians must introspect whether we will be like usa with very little indians and Hinduism, Sikhism, etc in the future due to our new religion of sickularism and democracy.

 

[Rahul Prakash]

Christians as well. Remember the blasts in churches there?

Oh stop it with caring about communities foreign to India.

We bharatiyans must care about our own groups rather outside groups and help them grow strong in every way.

I'm an atheist but I'm a cultural Hindu who will support Indian origin groups that are proindia over any outside foreign group even if they are supposedly friendly like Jews or Christians.

First we must purge this mentality from our minds and of the conscious of the general Indian populace.

Let it first manifest silently through actions and when we are strong enough overtly.

We will care about(pretend) other groups if it is advantageous but not really care about them.

They will be our useful idiots.

 

[Rahul Prakash]

With the US kicking Pak to the curb like a diseased stray dog; China and Pakistan are now involved in a kind of sick 69 type "mutual fellatio" relationship.

Sooner or later, one member of this romantic tango is going to bite the other member's pecker off !!

It will be fun for all the spectators on the sidelines to watch !!

Why are you supporting USA as if it's our friend.usa and Pak is both our enemies we should not emulate.

China is an enemy that we must emulate a lot from.

Only Pak is the fool in the China Pak friendship as China always gets what it wants through any means.

You want to compete with China,emulate it.a democracy will never beat it without overwhelming support and if people here think we will match China we will only be able to do so by internalize a practical atheist mindset and not a nehruvian democracy religious mindset.

 

[Mikesingh]

US and Pakistan clash at UN over Afghanistan
The Associated Press|Published — Saturday 20 January 2018

UNITED NATIONS: The United States urged Pakistan on Friday not to give sanctuary to “terrorist organizations” — and Pakistan demanded that the Trump administration address safe havens inside Afghanistan and its income from the narcotics trade.

The exchange took place Friday at a Security Council meeting on the issue of Afghanistan’s relations with its Central Asia neighbors and the link between peace and security.

US Deputy Secretary of State John Sullivan said the United States can’t work with Pakistan if it continues to give sanctuary to terrorist organizations and need to stop this and join efforts to resolve the Afghan conflict.

Pakistan’s UN Ambassador Maleeha Lodi countered that Afghanistan and its partners, especially the US, need to address “challenges inside Afghanistan rather than shift the onus for ending the conflict onto others.”

“Those who imagine sanctuaries outside need a reality check,” she stressed.
The exchange followed the Trump administration’s announcement this month that it was suspending military aid to Pakistan until it takes decisive action against militants.

In August, the US infuriated Pakistan by accusing it of providing a haven for extremist groups that carry out attacks in neighboring Afghanistan. Pakistan repeatedly has said it is acting against Taliban insurgents and members of the Haqqani militant group.

Armed clashes in Afghanistan in the past year were the highest in a decade and civilian casualties remained at near-record levels. More than 2 million people were directly affected by the conflict in 2017, with some 448,000 having to abandon their homes to save their lives.

Sullivan told the council that an Afghan-led, Afghan-owned approach to peace, with firm international support for Afghan security forces, “will make clear to the Taliban that victory cannot be won on the battlefield — a solution is and must be political.”

He urged international efforts to isolate the Taliban, eliminate its sources of income and equipment.

Pakistan’s Lodhi said that after 17 years of war it’s “more than evident” that neither the Afghan government nor the Taliban can win militarily.

Sullivan, Lodhi and Afghanistan’s Deputy Foreign Minister Hekmat Khalil Karzai did not mention the US suspension of aid to Pakistan.

http://www.arabnews.com/node/1229486/world

An insurgency can never last unless supported by external players, in this case Pak which has been supporting the Taliban since the last almost three decades by providing it weapons, funds (mostly from the drug trade), training and safe havens. If Pakistan were to withdraw support, the Taliban wouldn't collapse within six months at the max.