Treatment of Bangladeshis and Pakistanis in Saudi Arabia

[Blackwater]

Indians are celebrating here as if indians are treated as Kings in KSA.

where does it says he is Indian????

 

[maomao]

where does it says he is Indian????

Bro, that's islamic brain at work more so a jealous shameless paki woman!

 

[Blackwater]

how u can say guys were Indian. how can u say other man is Arab? How can say it is racist attack or personal enmity??

 

[maomao]

^^^^^^ Btw the above guy looks beaten, but actually gave the arab a nice beating....more so the guy from the background sneakily gave him an iron rod.....after that the video stops.....one strike on the thick skull of the arab with that rod and he would be eating dust!

 

[ZOOM]

Indians themselves are facing even brutal mistreatment in India itself based on caste, religion and regional background. Let's accept even we Indians are of same blood as Saudi's, period.

 

[Blackwater]

Indians themselves are facing even brutal mistreatment in India itself based on caste, religion and regional background. Let's accept even we Indians are of same blood as Saudi's, period.

Dont forget pakis. They claim they are decedents of Arabs. i am sure they are. the way arabs f.uc.ked pakis they are really their blood

 

[maomao]

Indians themselves are facing even brutal mistreatment in India itself based on caste, religion and regional background. Let's accept even we Indians are of same blood as Saudi's, period.

Nobody is blaming saudis for beating Kafirs on their land! If idiotic Kafirs go to such Islamic lands for money they need to get beaten up! The question here is Islamic ummah from pakistan and bangladesh gets beaten up like islamic swines!

 

[Ray]

In Saudi Arabia, normally non Saudis cannot settle or become citizens.

They want to keep a pure stock, like they do for the Arab steeds and camels.

In other Arabs states, non locals are outcasts and do not enjoy the privileges that the Sheiks of that area enjoy unless of course they are whites.

The thieving bazaar and evil smelling Arabs, even if they are Sheiks and Emirs, they quake in their thwab / dishdasha and soil it yellow in front of the white men.

They all consider ALL other Muslims as low life!

 

[Mad Indian]

So Bangladeshi, Pakistani and Indian muslims are Hevans i.e Beasts for Saudi's.......then why do all these muslims follow their culture? Are they naive or kept away from the reality by the Mullahs who fill their hearts and brains with Hatred against the Natives and Sons of the soil!

Funny enough I was at a shop one day and the Muslim owner of the shop was boasting about how great Saudi arabia was and a similiar thread about a similiar issue came to my mind at that time. Though I dint laugh out loud, it was hilarious when I thought about how they are treated there

Here is a fine example

I was lazy to post this video, but you found it and posted it

 

[SPIEZ]

Here is a fine example

 

[Cliff@sea]

Here is Good read about this issue as narrated by a Pakistani Brigadier who experienced
this Institutionalized and deeply ingrained discrimination Himself

Brigadier (retd) Mehboob Qadir, who was Director General (SPAFO) of Pakistan Armed Forces deputationists to the Saudi Armed Forces from 1998 to 2002, noted in a recent article: "Pakistanis together with expatriates from India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Philippines, Indonesia, etc, are called 'miskeen' by the Saudis". He thought, quite correctly, that the word was used to mean 'the poor wretch'. We use the word for the 'down and out' in Pakistan too.
What hurts is that the Saudis address the white expats of Europe and America as 'rafiq' (friend). What of the concept of 'ummah', he asks, which means that all Muslims are one nation? He discovers that 'ummah' applies only to Saudis, Iraqis, Egyptians, Yemenis, Kuwaitis Bahrainis, Emiratis, etc., but not to others. Arabs only, it seems, qualify.
The Saudis abolished slavery only recently in 1974. Then why are we 'miskeen'? Is it really abolished though? Arabia of the Bedouins by Marcel Kurpershoek (Saqi Books 2004), records that Saudi Arabia was still tribal and big tribal families employed lavishly opulent slaves riding Land Cruisers who made Pakistanis and Bangladeshis till the fields of their masters.
The dominant tribe is Oteiba that "accepted Islam at the hand of the Holy Prophet (pbuh), in 622 AD and remained fiercely faithful to him". Lawrence of Arabia modelled himself on an Oteibi warrior.
For the poor, the Holy Quran has two words: 'faqir' and 'miskeen'. 'Faqir' is 'a man in need' but 'miskeen' is 'completely down and out'. 'Faqir' has less than what he needs; 'miskeen' has nothing. 'Miskeen' literally means, 'brought to a standstill in one place'.
In Hebrew, the word for poor is 'meesken'. The Arabic root 'skn' means that which has lost all movement. The Urdu word 'saakin' (static) is related. Hence, poor is someone who can hardly move.
But the 'skn' root otherwise yields positive words, like peace and tranquillity (sakoon), including the Quranic word sakina (peace) that explains the feeling inside the Ark of the Covenant, expressed in the Judaeo-Christian doctrine of shekinah.
'Faqir' comes from the root 'fqr' which means 'spinal vertebra'. Derivative word 'Zulfiqar' means that which 'breaks the spine' because it was originally the name of a sword. Etymologically, therefore, 'Faqir' means 'broken-backed'.
'Faqir' has taken on more meaning. It means also someone who is contented in his need. One important element in mysticism is 'faqr': the need to be in need. Although it is an antonym of 'ghani' (one who is free of need), it has come to mean something close to 'ghani'. It is, in this sense, that a famous family of Punjab called themselves 'faqir'. My friend and well-known scholar Faqir Aijazuddin has a very firm spine.
The third word for poor is extremely poignant. It is 'ghareeb'. It means someone who has left home or is homeless. And leaving home in ancient times meant going west (gharb). The sun sets ('gharub') in the west ('maghrib'). When we observe the ritual of 'Sham-e-ghariban' during Muharram, we actually mean the 'nightfall of the homeless'.
In Saudi Arabia, the Europeans are called 'rafiq'. It comes from the root 'rfq', meaning 'elbow': one who is 'by your elbow'. Friendship is 'rafaqat'. Interestingly, 'artafaq' means leaning on something for support as if raising oneself on one's elbow.
More derived meanings include softness because friendship is such a soft thing. When the Holy Quran talks of Paradise it talks of softness (ease) in this sense. To conclude, the most accurate sense of 'rafiq' is companion.
Pakistan is in the grip of honour. 'Miskeen' is not a good reminder these days.
Published In The Express Tribune, June 6th, 2012.



Going 'miskeen' in Saudi Arabia – The Express Tribune

 

[panduranghari]

People who feel like gloating should know that common Indians are not treated any better.

Just to add, the treatment of Indians in the west is marginally better than Pakis or Bangladeshis or Lankans. We will always be brownies who are poor and uncultured.

To add a different POV, the reason why the Bangladeshi is in Saudi is because he cannot make ends meet in Bangladesh and if possible he will go to Europe. I was in Rome for my honeymoon a few years ago and I met a Bangladeshi chap who was a bar tender. He has been in Rome for well over 20 years. We got talking and he said he is a citizen but he wishes his 2 boys would go to England. He said he was not treated well in Italy and he knows from friends that the treatment in England is better.

He also said if he could he would live in Bangladesh than in the west but 'paapi paet ka sawal hai' hence he lives in the west.

 

[Cliff@sea]

Going 'miskeen' in Saudi Arabia – The Express Tribune

here's the full Article

Saudi Arabia was almost the last to end slavery officially in 1974 yet by nature retain all the instincts of slave-running alive Miskeen — by Mehboob Qadir Miskeen is a spoken Saudi equal of 'poor wretch' used to denote mainly the Asian labour force, coloured workers and expatriates from Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Philippines, Indonesia, etc. For those of African and North African origins, they have different titles. More than a word, it shows a whole Saudi racial, social and national attitude and a rancid hubris. In this context, Ummah is either a misnomer or merely a convenience for the Arab. They are Saudis, Iraqis, Egyptians, Yemenis, Kuwaitis Bahrainis, Emiratis or whatever, but brothers in the Ummah. That notion is basically a political convenience. We, in the subcontinent, are emotionally more transparent and excitable. An Arab, like his camel, is emotionally frigid except when he is slighted or his female space is threatened. Despite a strangely adversarial disposition towards females, they count them among their possessions like the black tent, camels and cattle. One realised that the Saudi men's honour and prestige seem to be tied more to their ability to control their women by diamond necklaces and gold biscuits than any equation of a sublime human relationship. Their family canvas is a sorry mess because of institutionalised licentiousness through a flood of divorces and multiple marriages. A society short of familial affiliations and internal gravitation disintegrates sooner or later.

Saudis, and Arabs for that matter, have an obsessive love for money, matched in our part of the world by the Pathan or the Sikh somewhat, if not fully. The difference is that Pathans and Sikhs both have plenty in the lands they live in, not the Saudis. Less the oil, they have always been short of food and means of livelihood as hardly anything grew in their deserts. Their harsh unsupportive environment forced them to become highwaymen for hire, ferrying the trade goods of richer nations on the ends of the desert and beyond. Those who were not involved in running trade caravans were busy raiding the same. Their land bridge geographical location between productive Asia, Africa and Europe helped them to become exchange traders or midway transit men. Since they produced literally nothing but had to sell others' goods, therefore they developed excellent linguistic skills, which is why Arabic is such an eloquent language.

Arabs are racial exclusivists and the Saudis, a degree more, arrogant too. However, Kuwaitis excel in both fields. This racist arrogance does not stem from any real world class achievement but their age old ability to ply one's merchandise to the other at exorbitant rates, making the other believe that the deal was fair, employing a clever-merchant syndrome. The other reason has been the inelasticity of their bare bones social capsule, which was unable to absorb any external influence or people. Their mercantile ability was polished after the advent of Islam with a large dose of missionary zeal and truth on the pain of divine condemnation forever. However, a few centuries on, this zeal waned and skillful statecraft replaced the art of salesmanship. Both required nearly the same neuro transmissions.

I have been Director General (SPAFO) of Pakistan Armed Forces deputationists, mainly, doctors and engineers, to the Saudi Armed Forces from 1998 to 2002.This was one of the most privileged positions for a non-European/American military officer in the Kingdom. I used to sit in the Ministry of Defence sharing the floor with US, British and French military missions. Another unique privilege that I enjoyed was that I could move anywhere in the Kingdom without the indispensible written permission and saw them closely in both urban and rural landscapes. That regretfully shattered many a myth that we Muslims in the subcontinent carry almost as articles of faith, and along with that a part of my better self too. However, it was an invaluable education in reality and measurement of one's worthiness or otherwise.

Within weeks, I realised that for a self-respecting person, it was nearly impossible to work honourably with those men. But for the call of duty to the fellow deputationists and mutuality between our two countries, I seriously considered repatriation. Hardly an occasion goes by without making an expatriate realise the tentative nature of his lower stature among these stiff-lipped, stuffy men. Our best, even a PhD in Space Sciences, weighs invariably less than a Saudi camel-herder from the Empty Quarter.

Saudi Arabia was almost the last to end slavery officially in 1974 yet by nature retain all the instincts of slave-running alive. The Iqama (work permit) is the principal instrument and is issued on behalf of the Saudi employer (Kafeel) for one year at a time. This is literally a dog collar that provides the Saudi master unlimited and rather coercive powers over the hapless expatriate. Regardless of innocence, merit, right to be heard and the number of years of hard work, one could be packed off and deported within hours. An expatriate has practically no legal stature, let alone the much talked about basic human rights. I know of a senior Pakistani banker who helped set up a renowned Saudi bank, rose to the position of vice-president and after 29 years was ordered out at a week's notice, his invaluable service and lifetime of hard work notwithstanding. His fault? None except the sweet pleasure of his employer and the weapon, the guillotine of Iqama. Once your Iqama is withdrawn you are an immediate nonentity and must leave the country posthaste before they imprison you for an indefinite period. Moreover, one could see horrible exploitation of female expatriates by their masters, particularly that of Sri Lankans and Philippinas. Pathetic insensitivity that was. (why you people keep coming here? reply I got from a close Saudi friend)

Peculiarly, Saudis have a cold and impersonal system of designating expatriates that they hire. Miskeen is a derisive phrase of pity and loathing that tends to massage their ego in a kind of perverted manner. It tends to be a device of superiority, distancing from the mass of toiling expatriate men and women working in the Saudi households, farms, factories, shops, hotels, offices and all places where an ordinary Saudi considers it below his dignity to work. The next lower phrase in their not so civil glossary is siddique, which very eloquently conveys: 'You work for me but mind your place. No liberties to be taken.' Siddique is a belittling way of directly addressing one out of innumerable expatriates already held as miskeen.

European and American expatriates are a different and far superior category. For them notions of pity are transformed into a view of admiration and longing. They are considered and addressed as rafique, meaning 'dear friend'. Americans top this list, followed closely by the British and other Europeans, depending upon how much they can benefit materially. There are cogent reasons for this preferential treatment. Americans and Europeans negotiate their terms of reference very carefully and hard. They are better networked, bring in more lucrative business, have better work ethics and their parent governments are unrelenting should Saudis maltreat one of their citizens.

There is a third but unspoken class who are mentioned with a smile and a wink. These are fair-skinned Central Asians, Lebanese, and blonde-haired Syrians. They are neither miskeen nor rafique but have the privilege of being the pleasure mates of a superior sort but not equals. They have half an access to the privacies of Saudi households; some even married in. Late Rafique Hariri was a kinsman of the Saudi royal family.

In all this business of labelling who was who in the shoddy Saudi esteem, they missed the forest for the trees. They know but never acknowledge that all of the Kingdom's infrastructure, services and amenities were built by expatriates from all over the world. Saudi oil money drew the best of the foreign societies into their service but tragically, they failed to absorb them into their own society. It was because they were unfortunately blind to the power of diversification, induction of new talent and ideas. Their genetic disability had been that want and scarcity of thousands of years had made their tribal society grow inwards with no scope or space for expansion and accommodation. The net result is that not only the Saudis floundered a once in centuries chance to enrich their country and society with a mix of talented foreign men and women but also have a huge rootless foreign mass in their midst that can go out of hand any moment. The consequences could be devastating. More about this some other time.

The writer is a retired brigadier of the Pakistan Army and can be reached at [email protected] From PTT Archives: Additional Reading-Garishness of Camel Jockeys, few hundred miles from them people of Ethiopia, Somalia, and Sahel Region of Africa are starving

Miskeen: Racism in Saud-Family "Occupied Arabia" Against Pakistanis, Indians, Bengladeshis, and Sri Lankans

 

[panduranghari]

The question is not Indian or pakistani here!

The question is Arabs treat fellow muslim/islamic ummah from Pakistan and Bangladesh like Swines and Indian muslims are No gud! Wow muslims beaten up like swines and beasts.....Islamic people are no doubt dumb like you who always miss the point!

Another interesting anecdote.

A good friend (who was a Hindu) from Hyd was working a departmental head in Oral Surgery in Riyadh. He had many juniors working under him. One of them from Pakistan happened to break the jaw when removing a wisdom tooth. The person whose jaw was broken was connected to the Royal family and was mighty pissed off. People including doctors have been executed for a lot less. This Pakistani Muslim was shitting in his pants. He was scared what will happen to him and his wife and children.

My friend got 72 books from all around the world by his own expense and showed that jaw can break during wisdom tooth removal. They let the Pakistani live.

Ajtr perhaps it could have been your husband in this situation. I am damn sure if the circumstance was reversed you would have made sure the Kafir was executed. Typical mentality.