Toyota, Honda, Nissan - Ditch China, come to India

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  1. trackwhack

    trackwhack Tihar Jail Banned

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    Japanese Car Plants in China: Who’s Feeling the Heat? - China Real Time Report - WSJ

    Even if the situation is resolved, how long until the next shutdown? Come to Tamil Nadu, Come to Sanand. The infrastructure exists and is being bettered everyday. Look at Hyundai's successes.

    Japanese Car Plants in China: Who’s Feeling the Heat?

     
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    Hyundai has been a massive super-duper success in India, both in terms of manufacturing and sales. The Koreans sure know a thing or two about intelligently using local men and material and building world class stuff.

    Toyota also has a fairly decent presence in India, in Bangalore to be precise. This is the time for Indian babus and businessmen to show some business acumen and invite the Japanese to diversify their production.
     
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    go go go。that's 2 million cars a year。hope the Indian market expands enough to absorb the extra supplies in short order。

    in the meantime,the Chinese market can be shared by Chinese,European、Korean and American producers。

    a happy ending for all。:-)
     
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    Indian market is around 2.5 million cars a year, and we are growing.
     
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    Hey, if you are going to boycott their products anyway, they really have nothing to lose, do they?!

    Now, all you have to do is to continue claiming Korean dynasties as your own, and infuriate the right-wing Koreans more and more. The Christian right-wing in Korea already detests China for that - please convert this sentiment into majority sentiment in Korea!! Go, go, go!!!
     
  7. Armand2REP

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    Pretty much all foreign car manufacturers in China are there to sell to China, this is especially true of Japanese car makers. You cannot import autos to China without massive tariffs so they have to be made in the country. Moving production to India will not get your auto sold in China. The only long term repercussions from this would be Japanese brands being shunned by Chinese consumers and the closure of lines that make them in China. Also the lack of orders for parts that equip such cars.
     
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    I see.. I was under the impression that it was export-oriented.
     
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    ^^ China is the world's largest automobile producer. However, Indian passenger car exports are almost 5 times that of China! These two statements tells you a nice story!
     
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    I'd like to see how long China keeps selling false pride to their citizens. How long can you sustain your anti japanese sentiment. Not very long. You will eventually swallow your pride and continue trade. If you do manage to sustain it, excellent, the japs will eventually take their money and leave.


    I realize that. Two points however.

    China cannot maintain export tariffs indefinitely. It can only last as long as the manufacturing costs competitiveness remains. When that is erased, Chinese tariffs on its imports will draw similar tariffs on its exports. I mean these already exist, but currently its offset by lower manufacturing costs. So the tariff situation cannot last forever.

    Secondly, these companies coming to India brings investment and increases gross productivity. It does not matter where the end market is (export / domestic)
     
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    In 2012, from Jan to Aug, China imported 120billions from Japan while exporting 98.6billions to Japan. With 31.4billins surplus, yes, Japanese got a lot to lose!

    Yes, so they will start a war against China tomorrow or they shut down the trading relationship with China? Since when a country's politics is decided by an academic topic?
     
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    here few indian think they can stop war with increasing economy business
     
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    China's import tariffs can remain indefinetly. They don't have to allow foreign made car imports access to the Chinese market. How that protectionism was never challenged in the WTO is beyond me, but that is the way it is.

    Secondly, Japanese car manufacturers won't move out of China to somewhere else because they can't sell to China without making them in China. None of that production will move to India. Any new factories will be for the Indian market.
     
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    The above is a very misleading statement
    Import Car Show showcases foreign cars to Chinese buyers - China.org.cn 2011
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    After so much violence over Japanese-brand cars sales of Jap. brands is bound to decline. U may say consumers are intimidated. Yes that'd be a big factor in buying decisions.

    Japanese Factories Halt Production In China As Island Dispute Escalates - One News Page
    Toyota chairman to visit China
     
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    Actually, the statement you made is very misleading. 234,000 units out of an 18 million unit market is not even worthy of mention. Those vehicles are six figure luxury brands only the super rich who do not care about tariffs can afford.

    Chini xenophobia has reared its ugly head again... it was only a matter of time.
     
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    This is not a zero sum game. China is the world's largest automobile market, Japanese cannot ignore that.
     
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    Indeed, very true, it is not a good idea to ignore Chinese Car Market.

    But what if Chinese customer OR people are not ready to accept the Japanese car makers in China.

    Just bcz of Island's issues if they keep hammering the Japanese again and again in China, then there is no other way left for the Japanese car makers.

    Correct me please, if I am wrong.
     
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    If you read the Article and see the posts on first page. Chinese and Indian car markets are mutually exclusive.

    If Japanese are to sell their cars in China, they have to manufacture it locally with a Chinese partner, they can't export them from say India. If Chinese don't want to buy Japanese then too bad.
     

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